Post by: Xfest on July 11, 2006, 01:35:11 PM
After two days of qualifying, Mushtare, the only bowler in history to have two certified 900 series, has some work to do to reach his goal. For his first 12 games, Mushtare has totaled 2,234, an average of 186.2.
The 17-year-old right-hander had games of 164, 200, 162, 188, 197 and 177 for 1,088 on Tuesday at Don Carter Tamarac Lanes for a 1,088 total. After Monday's first round, Mushtare sat in 204th place with 1,146.
"I think when I originally set my goal that it was reachable and it still is," said Mushtare, whose two pre-bowled 900 series were officially recognized by USBC last month. "It's going to take a good score tomorrow, but with all the attention and everything it has added pressure that I really didn't need."
Throughout his first two days of competition, Mushtare has been shadowed by a camera crew from ESPN's "Outside the Lines." The segment is tentatively scheduled to air on ESPN in late July.
In order for Mushtare to advance at the Junior Gold Championships, he must have a strong showing in the final six games of qualifying Wednesday. Early projections indicate he needs to average at least 210 to have a chance to make the first cut. The top 154 males will advance to the semifinals on Thursday.
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Post by: smash8-10split on July 11, 2006, 09:45:19 PM
at least we went, this is not funny, he had the balls to go, regardless of what happened, and the funny thing is, i bet you couldn't hold his average he has down there simply because if you were that damn good you would have went yourself.
do us a favor and mature about 5 years before you post again, whats funny to you is not to most..
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Post by: Xfest on July 11, 2006, 09:45:54 PM
LOL- he's a cheat. He says he has had 5 900'S thats 3 PERFECT GAMES in a row 5 TIMES. thats bulhit.
2 were approved my the usbc. I guess whats funny is, that he doesn't have anybody knocking his pins down to win. someone with 2 900's should be one of the best bowlers, in the top 5 or maybe in the lead, but hes in 204th place. He has to average 210 tomorrow, to even get close to the cut.
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Post by: J_Mac on July 11, 2006, 09:49:02 PM
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Ok, Machine, please prove to me he is a cheat!!!!
Nah... but how about YOU prove to everyone else on this board that he's not!
Wonder how long it'll take his #1 fan to chime in on this... oh LuckyLefty?
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Post by: Xfest on July 11, 2006, 09:50:31 PM
prove he isn't a cheat saying he has 2 900's and is averaging 186.2 in the jog - when he has 2 900's.
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Post by: Xfest on July 11, 2006, 09:52:27 PM
Douche Bag of the Year 2006!
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Post by: smash8-10split on July 11, 2006, 09:53:19 PM
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grow 5 years?
if i went down there at 15 - i know i would get my a$s kicked. I keep an average of 209 - which is pretty damn good for someone my age. Have had over 13 700's and 5 290's. You maybe should re-consider what you just said, since you have so many "honor" scores yourself.
why the didn't you go down there talkin like that?
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haha how the hell am i gonna go down there when i bowl in MENS leagues, i started bowling at 13 and went strait to mens leagues and worked my way up because our youth program inst worth .2cents. do me a favor, go to nationals at 17 like i did and cash, then we will talk chump.
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Post by: StrikeMonster on July 11, 2006, 09:54:01 PM
If you don't like pressure, then don't compete.
Actually, is there any pressure in competing in sports?
I guess when I was 18 and getting my arse shot at in foreign lands, I shoulda just run outta my cover yelling to be shot. I can't take the pressure, shoot me and get it over with. AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!
The kids a punk is getting what he deserves.
Post by: Hex017 on July 11, 2006, 09:56:17 PM
Oh, by the way, I threw 900 yesterday, don't believe me? Prove I didn't do it.
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Post by: Xfest on July 11, 2006, 09:57:39 PM
If you said you had TWO 900's, you would be EXPECTED to be in the cut. USBC is getting laughed at by this as well as old Mushtare is, for saying he had two 900's and he is not in the cut. He is making himself look like an idiot as well as USBC.
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Post by: LuvThatWhiteDot on July 11, 2006, 09:58:42 PM
Or would everyone be saying he prebowled those scores too?
I am ashamed for what USBC did for approving two 900s that I feel were not truthfully bowled, but I also feel bad for the kid... no matter what happens with the Junior Gold, be it finish dead last or win it, he'll never be looked upon as an equal in every other bowler's eyes.
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Post by: Hex017 on July 11, 2006, 09:59:58 PM
Sorry, 3 games, I should have specified, my mistake.
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Post by: Xfest on July 11, 2006, 10:00:47 PM
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thank you j mac.
prove he isn't a cheat saying he has 2 900's and is averaging 186.2 in the jog - when he has 2 900's.
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Ok, lets see here. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that he even stated that the lanes put down a big wall for him. In that same article, I read that he has never bowled on a sport shot.
So knowing that, he could have 2+ 900s. And he could only average 186 at JOG. It is quite simple really, but small brains like yours don't really understand.
to the comment about the brains..
its too bad im going to a college prepatory school and in all HONORS classes. You might want to think twice about that as well..
Saying I don't have brains for a 186 avg. in JOG when he was expencted to be the leader, with two 900's.
You don't have brains for thinking a kid at 17 years of age saying he has TWO PERFECT SERIES.
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Post by: J_Mac on July 11, 2006, 10:02:32 PM
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thank you j mac.
prove he isn't a cheat saying he has 2 900's and is averaging 186.2 in the jog - when he has 2 900's.
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Ok, lets see here. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that he even stated that the lanes put down a big wall for him. In that same article, I read that he has never bowled on a sport shot.
So knowing that, he could have 2+ 900s. And he could only average 186 at JOG. It is quite simple really, but small brains like yours don't really understand.
That's not proof... it's conjecture. Doesn't your small brain understand the difference?
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Post by: smash8-10split on July 11, 2006, 10:03:51 PM
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He's actually not doing that bad. More than half of this board wouldn't average 186 on any of the conditions at JOG. Give a little credit.
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to the comment about the brains..
its too bad im going to a college prepatory school and in all HONORS classes. You might want to think twice about that as well..
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Post by: Xfest on July 11, 2006, 10:07:21 PM
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He's actually not doing that bad. More than half of this board wouldn't average 186 on any of the conditions at JOG. Give a little credit.
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comparing half of the board is terribly wrong man. This guy says he has what, 5 900's and two approved by USBC. You would think someone CLAIMING he had 5 900's, he would be ALOT better than 204th place. NO ONE ELSE HAS CLAIMED 5 900'S LIKE HE HAS. I would of loved to go, and just finished, I might of not averaged 186, but i sure in the hell wouldn't say i had 5 900's and bowl like that.
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Post by: Hex017 on July 11, 2006, 10:11:14 PM
I shot 900 today. Don't believe me, then prove it.
I AM NOT trying to insult anyone, sorry if it seemed like an attack, but my point is...well I stated it already.
I shot 900(in 3 games)...so I deserve credit right?
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Post by: Xfest on July 11, 2006, 10:12:07 PM
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to the comment about the brains..
its too bad im going to a college prepatory school and in all HONORS classes. You might want to think twice about that as well..
somebody give this kid a cookie!
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maybe you should think twice about talking a bunch of with no honor scores or even a nice high game. go practice and then come back and talk? 210 at 19 blows too.. thinking your "the shiit"
im just stating the facts, saying you have had 5 900's and bowling 186- should be pretty LOW for yourself.
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Post by: Xfest on July 11, 2006, 10:17:35 PM
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Guys...I know you think the accusers have to prove it, but THIS IS THE PROBLEM.
I shot 900 today. Don't believe me, then prove it.
I AM NOT trying to insult anyone, sorry if it seemed like an attack, but my point is...well I stated it already.
I shot 900(in 3 games)...so I deserve credit right?
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nah- i dont believe it. it wasn't approved by the USBC. but im sure you could of, since old robby got two..
thats what they will say, USBC has not approved it...
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Post by: bamaster on July 11, 2006, 10:19:33 PM
From what I understand... and I could be wrong... he shot 1146 on the short oil pattern, the softer of the three different patterns. If this is true, expect another 180 average tomorrow.
So let's say he he averages 185 for the event, heck let's give him 190. That won't be enough for the cut. And that would give him an adjusted average of 207 (according to SportBowling.com (http://"http://www.bowlingmembership.com/sportbowlingsite/adjustment_scale.asp")).
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Post by: Xfest on July 11, 2006, 10:26:24 PM
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Ehh, I've dropped the issue, why can't the rest of you? The USBC was forced to accept them, they couldn't get the evidence to say that he DIDN'T bowl them and apparently the 2 900s passed the requirements. I'm not saying he did it, cause I don't like him much either. But c'mon, it's annoying seeing this forum riddled with multiple posts about the kid and how bad he's doing. Give it up, he's not doing bad at all for a guy that hasn't bowled on a sport shot up to now.
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someone that has bowled 5 900's has not bowled on sport shot, EVER?
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Post by: bamaster on July 11, 2006, 10:27:09 PM
"The bowling center I bowl at puts out different shots for me, so I've been practicing on some tough stuff trying to get ready."
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on July 11, 2006, 10:27:50 PM
I couldn't care less if he shot a 900 or 11 900's it doesn't affect me one bit...and if the USBC says he did it....well then...what else is there to say?
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Post by: Xfest on July 11, 2006, 10:31:15 PM
They are getting laughed at now as well. For approving somebody 2 900's and them bowling bs with 186.2
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Post by: Atochabsh on July 11, 2006, 10:31:20 PM
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somebody give this kid a cookie!
OK, maybe not a whole cookie but a crumb of a cookie.
Here's a kid, he's just a KID, that has somehow managed to get sanctioned two 900 series. And those series are under serious doubt by nearly every USBC member out there. He bowls in his own folks' bowling center and prebowls his score. More reason to suspect him for his over the top scores.
Now he's a kid. And has no idea how this year is going to color his bowling career for the rest of his life. No matter how he came about his 900s, he is now permanently branded by his fellow membership. Not for a year or so, but probably for as long as this person bowls. He'll be in his 60s, bowling in senior afternoon leagues and still have this crap hanging over his head. Talk about mistakes in your past forever coloring your future.
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Post by: fins4ever88 on July 11, 2006, 10:35:44 PM
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Ehh, I've dropped the issue, why can't the rest of you? The USBC was forced to accept them, they couldn't get the evidence to say that he DIDN'T bowl them and apparently the 2 900s passed the requirements. I'm not saying he did it, cause I don't like him much either. But c'mon, it's annoying seeing this forum riddled with multiple posts about the kid and how bad he's doing. Give it up, he's not doing bad at all for a guy that hasn't bowled on a sport shot up to now.
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someone that has bowled 5 900's has not bowled on sport shot, EVER?
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Ok, you go take your 209 average and bowl with him on the same shot you bowl on and let me know what happens. Hell, I'll come with and take my 204 average on a shot and we'll party. Point is, he's out there bowling on shots that he has barely ever bowled on. Maybe it wasn't his first time, but a lot of those kids that are beating him have probably been to Junior Golds before. They've experienced it, and prepared for it. He tried to prepare for it, not knowing exactly what he was going to run into. We'll all go and bowl on a JOG shot and see how we do. Apparently you've got enough honor scores and you're pretty good for your age. So go bowl even on a JOG patter and then talk.
And on a more important note. Justin Whitley bowled a 300 yesterday, only the eleventh in JOG history. Of course...he didn't even bowl 200 at all (161, 167, 190, 186, 300 and 191), but he hit the 300. Now theres some REAL news we should be discussing.
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Ehh, I've dropped the issue, why can't the rest of you? The USBC was forced to accept them, they couldn't get the evidence to say that he DIDN'T bowl them and apparently the 2 900s passed the requirements. I'm not saying he did it, cause I don't like him much either. But c'mon, it's annoying seeing this forum riddled with multiple posts about the kid and how bad he's doing. Give it up, he's not doing bad at all for a guy that hasn't bowled on a sport shot up to now.
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someone that has bowled 5 900's has not bowled on sport shot, EVER?
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Ok, you go take your 209 average and bowl with him on the same shot you bowl on and let me know what happens. Hell, I'll come with and take my 204 average on a shot and we'll party. Point is, he's out there bowling on shots that he has barely ever bowled on. Maybe it wasn't his first time, but a lot of those kids that are beating him have probably been to Junior Golds before. They've experienced it, and prepared for it. He tried to prepare for it, not knowing exactly what he was going to run into. We'll all go and bowl on a JOG shot and see how we do. Apparently you've got enough honor scores and you're pretty good for your age. So go bowl even on a JOG patter and then talk.
And on a more important note. Justin Whitley bowled a 300 yesterday, only the eleventh in JOG history. Of course...he didn't even bowl 200 at all (161, 167, 190, 186, 300 and 191), but he hit the 300. Now theres some REAL news we should be discussing.
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no way about that 300 comment. this is in the jog tournament, you can't mess with scores there. besides, people get hot, he found his mark, and kept it. Nothing wrong with that at all..
I will go bowl him.. Any lane condition, w/e. Im sure i would score more than a 186.2, trust me. Im not thinking myself as "THE BEST" but im simply saying that he is a cheat, and usually cheats bowl like shhit like he is doing in jog.
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Post by: Xfest on July 11, 2006, 10:47:41 PM
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at my ihsb tournament about 3 weeks ago, on 3 different patterns, i averaged a 198 and won that tournament. out of 78 games, on 3 tough patterns, 458 people, 128 in first cut, i won it. i dont think i did too bad.
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he "sensed" he would average 186 before he even threw a ball, much as he senses ten pins coming.
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Post by: Troyboy on July 11, 2006, 11:02:24 PM
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Ok, Machine, please prove to me he is a cheat!!!!
Actually if you think about it, the first 900 that he tried to get approved, that got denied because he was not sanctioned at the time. Wouldn't that be considered cheating? You know considering he still had to sign his awards sheet. If his league wasn't sanctioned and him and his family tried to get this by the USBC he got caught cheating flat out. I actually deep down inside think that he may have shot the first one... The next two wern't shot, he only submitted them outa vengance of USBC straight up calling him out for the cheater he is.
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Post by: Baxfran on July 11, 2006, 11:19:26 PM
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Would there be this much talk about this if he was leading the pack?
Or would everyone be saying he prebowled those scores too?
I am ashamed for what USBC did for approving two 900s that I feel were not truthfully bowled, but I also feel bad for the kid... no matter what happens with the Junior Gold, be it finish dead last or win it, he'll never be looked upon as an equal in every other bowler's eyes.
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Post by: Xfest on July 11, 2006, 11:57:37 PM
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How anyone can defend this cheat is beyond me. I'm sorry but to throw 2 pre bowled 900's is rediculous. How anyone could believe that is beyond me. This kid is a disgrace to the bowling world. In fact I don't know why they would allow any pre bowled scores.
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Post by: Xfest on July 12, 2006, 12:10:51 AM
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Who cares that hes not averaging the goal he set, but he is averaging higher than alot of people down. hes 204th out of what, a 1,000. To me that is pretty damn good considering he has never bowled on sports conditions. we need to forget about this kid, atleast he was able to go down there, and try.
its been proven he has bowled on sport.
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Post by: CG_Matters on July 12, 2006, 08:09:53 AM
I agree with DP3's early statement of how most of our BR membership would do on JOG conditions.
My points are as follows:
1. Just because you have shot (or claimed to have shot) 900 does not mean that you're a bowling god and you will average 250 on any condition and win each event you bowl for the rest of your life. Why are we expecting this to happen?
2. Even if he was cheating, the kid knows what the bowling world's opinion is. It took some serious guts to show up and bowl. How do you think you would do if you entered an event where you knew that every other competitor thought you were a useless turd? If you say it wouldn't bother you...you're a stone cold liar.
3. I have to agree with smash's outlook on all of this. Which is basically...don't open you're mouth until you've been there and succeeded. Ever walk a mile in another man's (or boy's in this case) shoes?
I'm not saying Mush is legit....but I'm also not calling him a liar or a cheat. I wasn't there to see any of his series shot, so I cannot pass judgement.
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on July 12, 2006, 08:13:36 AM
Make a name for yourself however possible.
Practice and get coached to get decent.
Get out there and bowl.
This kid seems kind of smart to me. Especially with the amount of time that people spend talking about him.
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Post by: Leftyhi-trak on July 12, 2006, 08:34:46 AM
House shot= who cares
tournament shot = being a shot maker
Just because someone has done something once or even a few times does not make them the world every day. His dose of reality has now hit, but i think way too many of you all take it a bit far. I guess the 900 realm is not that big a deal to me as most. Until the game unifys and puts real restrictions on lane patterns scores are primarily a joke. Patterns like the USBC and the US open are what patterns should be like. I guess I thought this kid may average about 185-190 as his experience on sport patterns is very limited.
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Post by: Djarum on July 12, 2006, 08:46:32 AM
Putting down a wall isn't cheating by the USBC, but it does help the chances. I still believe the odds of him doing it legit are most definantly against him.
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on July 12, 2006, 08:53:12 AM
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Counting cards is considered cheating by the casino's in las vegas. But is it really cheating?
Putting down a wall isn't cheating by the USBC, but it does help the chances. I still believe the odds of him doing it legit are most definantly against him.
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If putting down a wall isn't cheating, and you get 900 on a wall, then you got 900. Ta da!
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Post by: chitown on July 12, 2006, 09:28:51 AM
What really sucks about this whole thing is the USBC approving this garbage to begin with.
I hear a bunch of comments like at least he had the guts to show up. Of course he was going to show up he had cameras filming him. He's going to make a bunch of money from these 900's.
This kid is a disgrace to the bwling world because it's so obvious that he cheated. I can see a 300 but not 900. Now add two of them. Come on how can you guys even defend this guy at all. It's a joke!
Post by: BallsDeep on July 12, 2006, 09:32:29 AM
186 at JOG is pretty good and being in 200th or so isn't bad considering its out of 1000 or so. Leave the story be, don't give the 900s any credit, and wait and see if he gets better and starts to bowl some real competition.
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Post by: MAJM on July 12, 2006, 09:53:32 AM
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"I think when I originally set my goal that it was reachable and it still is," said Mushtare, whose two pre-bowled 900 series were officially recognized by USBC last month. "It's going to take a good score tomorrow, but with all the attention and everything it has added pressure that I really didn't need."
The cloud of suspicion will always follow Mushtare because he pre-bowled the 900's. He will ALWAYS have to defend himself because of the lack of witnesses to his "historic" feats.
Post by: bamaster on July 12, 2006, 10:17:51 AM
Who cares if he can beat half this board? Half this board hasn't claimed multiple 900s and the ability to predict taps. Statistically he's done the nearly impossible and the very improbable. He deserves no credit in just bowling this event, he's SUPPOSED to bowl if he's going to accept two 900 rings. And with his current resume, he's SUPPOSED to make the cut. Anything less is a complete failure.
At least that's the way this messkin sees it.
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Post by: ImaRedbird on July 12, 2006, 10:25:56 AM
I can't prove and noone else but him and God whether he actually got the 900's truly, but i bowl with people who only have 1 300 and they are coached by brand staff members.
When you say that you accomplish a feat of bowling 6 perfect games you're supposed to be able to back it up. Just look @ the girls of making the band, sure they can sing on TV but until they actually get out there and perform when it REALLY COUNTS it means nothing. It looks like Mr. Mushtare is crash and burning. The pressure thing is A LOAD OF CRAP!! If you complain about pressure, you have no business doing what you're doing. Pressure and seeing if you can pull thru is what makes sports or whatever activity you're doing fun, but sayin you dont need the added pressure of being under a magnifying glass is bull. Get the magnifying glass from off of you by showing who you are and you got skills.
To all of you all who say at least he went out there and tried, i agree good for him for trying but you're missing the silver lining and noone has mentioned it yet.....
Here it is: If he hadn't showed up what do u think people would be saying? He had to save some type of face so of course he's gonna show up, plus he has cameras following him, and he's supposed to be having some type of deal with one of these companies. IDK for sure, jus heard about it.
In the end if his 900 were lies it'll come to light, besides in my house if you pre-bowl they don't count!! You gotta get em in league. If you can shoot 300 in league then we can talk.
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on July 12, 2006, 11:15:33 AM
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fluff to be honest i haven't bowled since may i really need to, im surprised i haven't went nutz by now.
Dang. I haven't bowled since Sunday and I feel like I really need to. I am trying to give my thumb a rest but I am starting to think 'forget it'.
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Post by: Xfest on July 12, 2006, 11:21:45 AM
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Listen anyone with common sense can tell when something like shooting pre bowled 900's is a bunch of BS.
What really sucks about this whole thing is the USBC approving this garbage to begin with.
I hear a bunch of comments like at least he had the guts to show up. Of course he was going to show up he had cameras filming him. He's going to make a bunch of money from these 900's.
This kid is a disgrace to the bwling world because it's so obvious that he cheated. I can see a 300 but not 900. Now add two of them. Come on how can you guys even defend this guy at all. It's a joke!
great comment. people saying having the guts showing up, USBC probably made him go. They have had continious stories about this kid, quoting him that he will do well, get a 200 average, etc. He didn't show up to show up, he showed up because the USBC made him.
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Post by: Xfest on July 12, 2006, 11:24:20 AM
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After yesterday, he's no longer in 204th place, but now sitting in 281st position. About 130 bowlers ahead of him to make the cut.
Who cares if he can beat half this board? Half this board hasn't claimed multiple 900s and the ability to predict taps. Statistically he's done the nearly impossible and the very improbable. He deserves no credit in just bowling this event, he's SUPPOSED to bowl if he's going to accept two 900 rings. And with his current resume, he's SUPPOSED to make the cut. Anything less is a complete failure.
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Post by: Djarum on July 12, 2006, 11:24:32 AM
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Counting cards is considered cheating by the casino's in las vegas. But is it really cheating?
Putting down a wall isn't cheating by the USBC, but it does help the chances. I still believe the odds of him doing it legit are most definantly against him.
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If putting down a wall isn't cheating, and you get 900 on a wall, then you got 900. Ta da!
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You missed my argument. My argument was that SHOULD a wall, and what kind of walled shot should be considered fair, irregardless of what the USBC thinks.
Just because someone is good at math, good photo graphic memory, he can't use these skills playing the house at casino's? They consider it cheating, but it really isnt.
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Post by: Xfest on July 12, 2006, 11:27:17 AM
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honor scores don't have anything with maturity, machine. I don't care what ur average is, how many 700's you have or how many 290's you earned
Grow up
lol.. dude, your one year older, and sitting here telling me to grow up? ha
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on July 12, 2006, 11:42:34 AM
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Trust me, Honor Scores on a house shot are irrelevant today. It's still cool to see them, but they are a dime a dozen. MustCHEAT cheated HISTORY, cheated BOWLING, and cheated HIMSELF. Now he has to live with that FOREVER. What goes up, must come down!!! If the kid stopped at one 900, then I sure 99% of the people would have believed it. But 5 in like 5 month!!?? I know all about getting bashed on these forums after a pba regional event (thanks Hose). The crounds can be tough. If you can Talk the Talk, you'd better be able to Walk the Walk too!!
Whoa you got trashed on here after a regional? That's kind of mean. What happened?
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on July 12, 2006, 11:48:00 AM
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let's just say it was a couple years ago when i had award scores coming out of my butt! (10 300's and 11 800's averaged 249 and 248 in 2 leagues) I went to a PTQ and averaged low 200's, then went to another PTQ and averaged 187. I was humbled to say the least. Now i just keep my mouth shut. I never thought i was a 249 average bowler. It's cause and effect. soft conditions and monster equipment makes for adult bumper bowling!
Hmm... How high do you actually have to average to make it in a regional? Averaging low 200s seems really good to me.
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Post by: 9andaWiggle on July 12, 2006, 12:05:56 PM
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let's just say it was a couple years ago when i had award scores coming out of my butt! (10 300's and 11 800's averaged 249 and 248 in 2 leagues) I went to a PTQ and averaged low 200's, then went to another PTQ and averaged 187. I was humbled to say the least. Now i just keep my mouth shut. I never thought i was a 249 average bowler. It's cause and effect. soft conditions and monster equipment makes for adult bumper bowling!
And not even ONE 900!? YOU SUCK! lol
I mean, if the great Rev-O can't shoot one measly 900 on his admittedly walled up easy shot, how can anyone believe this kid shot 5 in 8 weeks?No offense to Rev-O here, I think he's an OK guy. At least he admits the shot is rediculously easy and has never (to my knowledge) claimed to be able to foresee a 10 pin and adjust before he leaves it.
Robby screwed himself. Maybe he did shoot the first one, but he'd have been better off in the long run to have left it at "I shot it, and due to a bookkeeping error the USBC wouldn't recognize it". If that had been the case, I think 99% of the people on this board would have believed him, felt sorry for him and respected him and any future attempts at improving his bowling career. As it is now, everyone thinks he's just, as someone else mentioned, a lying punk-a** turd.
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I bet I could get his sister's phone number.
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Post by: 9andaWiggle on July 12, 2006, 12:14:52 PM
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All I am saying is:
I bet I could get his sister's phone number.
Only if she's as easy as the condition he bowls on!
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Post by: bamaster on July 12, 2006, 12:41:34 PM
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averaging 186 on Sport Shot is averaging 200 on PBA Conditions, just to let you know, they are easier, more dry boards on the outside, so Mushtare at the Age of most Pros probalay will be averaging around a 215 220 on PBA Conditions so his abilities to go pro would not be doubted and his marketability to the average bowler would be flawless
Robert Mushtare 'Mr. Perfect' who doesnt want a ball similar to Chris Barnes' Professional but instead Robert Mushtare's Perfection
based on Marketability, Skill Set, everything, the PBA needs Robert Mushtare
Where do you get that? PBA conditions *are* sport patterns. A 186 average on a sport pattern is a 204 house average.
http://www.bowlingmembership.com/sportbowlingsite/adjustment_scale.asp
To be clear, he's bowling on three sport patterns. A long pattern, medium pattern and a short pattern. And be be more clear, this event is open to bowlers from age 10-21. Mushtare is 18. Finishing in the top quarter is hardly respectable.
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Post by: JessN16 on July 12, 2006, 12:45:47 PM
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averaging 186 on Sport Shot is averaging 200 on PBA Conditions, just to let you know, they are easier, more dry boards on the outside, so Mushtare at the Age of most Pros probalay will be averaging around a 215 220 on PBA Conditions so his abilities to go pro would not be doubted and his marketability to the average bowler would be flawless
Robert Mushtare 'Mr. Perfect' who doesnt want a ball similar to Chris Barnes' Professional but instead Robert Mushtare's Perfection
based on Marketability, Skill Set, everything, the PBA needs Robert Mushtare
Where do you get that? PBA conditions *are* sport patterns. A 186 average on a sport pattern is a 204 house average.
http://www.bowlingmembership.com/sportbowlingsite/adjustment_scale.asp
To be clear, he's bowling on three sport patterns. A long pattern, medium pattern and a short pattern. And be be more clear, this event is open to bowlers from age 10-21. Mushtare is 18. Finishing in the top quarter is hardly respectable.
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Not all PBA conditions are sport-compliant. They're definitely tougher than house conditions but not all of them meet the ratio requirements to be truly sport-compliant.
Jeff Carter has even addressed difficulty of sport vs. PBA shots here, and if I remember correctly he said sport was tougher than some of the PBA patterns.
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Post by: Ragnar on July 12, 2006, 12:58:22 PM
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Currently he may be in 204th, but there are 992? bowlers.
A large number of which are much younger/inexperienced than Mr. Mush. Do you feel satisfaction in outbowling a 12 year old? I wonder where he ranks with respect to those in the 17 and up group. My money is not much over average.
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Post by: bamaster on July 12, 2006, 01:04:12 PM
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Not all PBA conditions are sport-compliant. They're definitely tougher than house conditions but not all of them meet the ratio requirements to be truly sport-compliant.
Jeff Carter has even addressed difficulty of sport vs. PBA shots here, and if I remember correctly he said sport was tougher than some of the PBA patterns.
Jess
Well from what I recall, not all sport leagues are sport compliant, either. Didn't they deny some honor score to a female because of that? I forget.
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Post by: JessN16 on July 12, 2006, 01:09:03 PM
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Not all PBA conditions are sport-compliant. They're definitely tougher than house conditions but not all of them meet the ratio requirements to be truly sport-compliant.
Jeff Carter has even addressed difficulty of sport vs. PBA shots here, and if I remember correctly he said sport was tougher than some of the PBA patterns.
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Well from what I recall, not all sport leagues are sport compliant, either. Didn't they deny some honor score to a female because of that? I forget.
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If a sport league isn't sport compliant, it's because a pattern that was supposed to be compliant by letter of the law failed inspection. You can chalk that one up to screw-up, lane oiler malfunction, or someone trying to get around the law. All I was saying about the PBA patterns is that some of them fail the ratio standard outright -- whether they're laid down correctly or not wouldn't matter because they'd be designed outside of the sport rules from the get-go.
If I bowled an honor score on a true USBC Sport league and had it wiped out because the pattern wasn't put down properly, there would be no end to my anger.
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Post by: themagician on July 12, 2006, 01:22:54 PM
Now if this is his first time on a sport pattern he is doing pretty darn well and some of you morons on here just want to flame and probably would be the one behiend him, when will people move on, there is nothing we can do and the fact he showed up and is doing alright (its sport conditions after all) you should be gaining a little bit of respect for the kid.
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Post by: 9andaWiggle on July 12, 2006, 02:35:22 PM
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you should be gaining a little bit of respect for the kid
Never happen as long as I believe he lied about at least 4 of his 5 900's - I have no respect for liars and thieves.
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Post by: DreadPirateRoberts on July 12, 2006, 02:46:02 PM
did he or didn't he? who cares. bowling scores don't matter anyway. the interaty of the game has long been past. you should all ne asking yourselves is where can I find a wall like that and how many 900 can I shoot.
honor scores mean nothing winning does. place your money where your mouths are and go into his house and take his cash! a fat wallet is all that matters.
half the people I see on this board with there 10 ball arsenals asking where is my gap?
that is easy, between the ears.
for all the talk most of you are donators anyway and have no reason to complain until you get out there and win some cash!
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Having recently spawned and thus being less desirable as food. Used of fish, especially herring.
Oddly enough, this may apply in this case.
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I don't really play cards and I am not 79, but it fits together somehow.
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I think what rags is trying to tell you is the proper word is shootetedded
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I don't really play cards and I am not 79, but it fits together somehow.
There went another cup of coffee..damn you andy, now I've got to go change my clothes.
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Post by: SirAshley on July 12, 2006, 03:11:05 PM
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Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on July 12, 2006, 03:40:05 PM
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...and is as ugly.
Dang yo. That was very undude of you.
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Post by: Rev_O on July 12, 2006, 07:31:36 PM
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let's just say it was a couple years ago when i had award scores coming out of my butt! (10 300's and 11 800's averaged 249 and 248 in 2 leagues) I went to a PTQ and averaged low 200's, then went to another PTQ and averaged 187. I was humbled to say the least. Now i just keep my mouth shut. I never thought i was a 249 average bowler. It's cause and effect. soft conditions and monster equipment makes for adult bumper bowling!
Hmm... How high do you actually have to average to make it in a regional? Averaging low 200s seems really good to me.
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Post by: Nails on July 12, 2006, 09:06:18 PM
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i've kept an average of 201 in sport, and highest game in sport is 279(on a flood, total flood, no area of dry.. talk about tough stuff..
at my ihsb tournament about 3 weeks ago, on 3 different patterns, i averaged a 198 and won that tournament. out of 78 games, on 3 tough patterns, 458 people, 128 in first cut, i won it. i dont think i did too bad.
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From everything you've posted on here, you are 15 and have only been bowling for a short time, and all of your scores you list seem to practice scores. HamPster would be so proud.
Throwing a few games on a sport pattern, even if I believe you, don't count as an "average". No one shoots a 279 on one of their first attempts on a sport shot, so at least try to keep your BS believable. Many of these patterns seem like heavy oil because they have oil both outside of 7 and longer than 36' which is foreign to many bowlers. VERY few places put out a true flood. It's too expensive, too many people complain about the low scores, and it rarely differentiates the good bowlers from the bad.
http://www.ihsb.org/2005-06/state_finals/index.htm
It looks like the state championship was only 3 games. Why was "your" tournament 78 games on 3 different patterns? Was it handicap or scratch? I'd like to see some more info or a link.
Everyone who wanted Robbie to fail is getting what they want. Like just about everyone else, I'm pretty sure he cheated on the 900's, but at least he's giving it a shot. He had little to gain and everything to lose. His chances of earning respect or even looking good would be equal to that of Mike Tyson boxing Mother Theresa. He's bowling poorly, but not awful.
And as much as it pains me to say it, thank you to HammerBowler for trying to reel some people in.
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Post by: smash8-10split on July 12, 2006, 09:37:25 PM
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Of all the other guys who have shot 900, do you think any of them would average 186 on a sport shot??? exactly my point, they would be somewhere in the 215 range..
I don't know where you get your insight into other bowlers that have shot 900, but I personally say James Hylton (one of the other 900 bowlers) shoot 394 in a tournament that was somewhere between house and sport.
-jb
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because he believes that shooting a 900 makes you the greatest bowler ever!
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amf300, all the way!
Post by: Strike300 on July 12, 2006, 09:49:24 PM