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charlest

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USBC: Limiting RG Differential to .045"?
« on: April 11, 2010, 01:42:35 PM »
Edited (4/19/10):
I sent an email to the USBC and got this reply:

Thank you for your question.  There is no planned change for the RG differential specification at this time.  Effective July 1, 2010 there is a change in the manufacturing specification for RG, but it’s for the low RG limit, not differential.  Please let me know if you have any other questions.


I know of the reduction to .060", but someone just told me they were further reducing it to .045" in the coming Fall season, 2010/2011. It sounds ridiculous, doesn''t make any sense to me, but they''re capable of anything.

Has anyone heard about this?
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Re: USBC: Limiting RG Differential to .045"?
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2010, 09:56:09 PM »
Where did you hear that?  If the answer starts with "Well, this guy..." I wouldn't put too much stock in it.  I know several guys that are pretty high up in the Chicago and Illinois associations, we just got back from Reno and I didn't hear any rumors about that.  Not saying that makes me right, just my read.  

I think they've done as much as they are going to do in regards to limiting ball technology for the time being.  With the introduction of the Red, White and Blue patterns, I think they are going to return the focus to lane conditions.
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charlest

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Re: USBC: Limiting RG Differential to .045"?
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2010, 10:07:33 PM »
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Where did you hear that?  If the answer starts with "Well, this guy..." I wouldn't put too much stock in it.



If it makes any difference, it was from a fellow bowler in Oregon.

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  I know several guys that are pretty high up in the Chicago and Illinois associations, we just got back from Reno and I didn't hear any rumors about that.  Not saying that makes me right, just my read.  

I think they've done as much as they are going to do in regards to limiting ball technology for the time being.  With the introduction of the Red, White and Blue patterns, I think they are going to return the focus to lane conditions.
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I said the same thing above, but he was pretty adamant. I was wondering if anyone knew the truth.

The Red, White and Blue patterns are another discussion. I think 99% of proprietors will say, "We're implementing the Red pattern" and never change a darned thing, whether they have any oil on boards 1-5 or not, but that's not what I wanted to know about.
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Re: USBC: Limiting RG Differential to .045"?
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2010, 10:46:06 PM »
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I know of the reduction to .060", but someone just told me they were further reducing it to .045" in the coming Fall season, 2010/2011. It sounds ridiculous, doesn''t make any sense to me, but they''re capable of anything.

Has anyone heard about this?
(Please try to keep the replies close to the subject. Thank you.)
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The more usbc keeps dikking with things the more people will not sanction. Besides, all the proprietors have to do is lower the volume. So what does that accomplish...nothing

Edited on 4/11/2010 10:47 PM

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Re: USBC: Limiting RG Differential to .045"?
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2010, 02:08:38 AM »
What you are talking about (I think) chalest is RG and not Diff. The new LOWER limits of RG will go to 2.460 up from 2.430 Here is a link....

http://www.bowlingdigital.com/bowl/node/7057

This really annoys me due to the fact that it takes arguably the most proven core ever out of production...the R2/V2/Gamebreaker core is no longer legal. Any previous balls are grandfathered in but Ebonite will no longer be able to produce them for sanctioned bowling.

Kinda stupid huh? If I were Ebonite I would have flipped out. Core has been around for what??? 15 years?? And some of their most popular stuff ever.

Oh well...guess they know best. (toungue in cheek)
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Re: USBC: Limiting RG Differential to .045"?
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2010, 03:17:20 AM »
That core will still be used, Ebonite will only need to redistribute the weight, and or density somewhere.


Companies do it all the time. Like the Brunswick Inferno core used on many Brunswick balls. They all don't have the same Rg and dif. Some do, many are a little higher or lower from one ball line to the next.

I don't agree with changing the numbers on either the RG or Diff because it doesn't make that much of a difference. It is the coverstock on todays bowling balls that make up a huge part of what these bowling balls do.
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Re: USBC: Limiting RG Differential to .045"?
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2010, 03:20:48 AM »
I dont know if this is good or bad. Since you will change the Rg of a ball, depending on where you put the pin in relation to the fingers.
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Re: USBC: Limiting RG Differential to .045"?
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2010, 04:28:13 AM »
IMHO, a further reduction in differential has no effect. Remember that the RG diff. just determines how much a ball can potentially(!) flare, and how strong the forces are which drive the core from an instable position (determined by the drilling) towards its stable and roll axis.

Therefore, you can lower the RG. diff technically, but produce (unless you have to drill a ball totally strong) the same flare and reaction through a stronger pin position. It might be "harmful" to no rev players, but, heck, instead of complaining a coach session might compensate.

Besides, with the ever-aggressive covers, I think that players with a poor release need less and less help though the core to get a ball into a roll - the response to dry back end is so strong that you can send a low RG ball twisting down the lane, and it will grip and roll forward almost immediately in the back end.

IMHO, this limit - whether it is true or not - is pretty pointless. They should rather raise minimum shell hardness or find a rule concerning maximum coverstock porosity.
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Re: USBC: Limiting RG Differential to .045"?
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2010, 07:08:38 AM »
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What you are talking about (I think) chalest is RG and not Diff. The new LOWER limits of RG will go to 2.460 up from 2.430 Here is a link....

http://www.bowlingdigital.com/bowl/node/7057  ...
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No, that's not what I was talking about, but that could have been what my friend was talking about.  I'll ask him specifically. I knew about that one. It's pretty insignificant, in general. Very much like the changing of RG Diff from .080" to .060".

Changing the Differential from .060" to .045"  allowed would have been a major crisis for most bowlers and all manufacturers.
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Re: USBC: Limiting RG Differential to .045"?
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2010, 10:34:08 AM »
Topic closed. Reply received from the USBC, posted in original section.
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