Author Topic: Ebonite and Doc's Magic (Read 7119 times)

Doc Hollywood · « **on:** August 27, 2003, 08:41:59 PM »

Ebonite has recently requested a Material Safety Data Sheet from me.

I wonder if they are looking to steal my product and market it for themselves.

I am posting this so everyone knows that if they see this happening they can help defend the little guy.

I wonder if I should give it to them
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pchee2 · « **Reply #31 on:** August 30, 2003, 05:08:26 AM »

pchee2<~~~business partner of Doc since the very beginning, albeit a silent one......for now.

BTW Ron you said this:

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I have contacted you in a public forum on numerous occasions, with a possibility to fly you in to discuss your product with no reply from you. If you would like discuss your product with me personally I can be reached at 270-881-1200. during the week.

I highly doubt that. I've never even seen any of your posts asking Doc to discuss the Elixir. Heck I've never even seen any of your posts. Doc answers all posts containing questions or comments about the Elixir so if you have a question feel free to ask or contact him. Right now he's in the stages of putting an advertisement in BTM and BJ about the Elixir so he's been a little busy lately and he hasn't had much time to read this site. If you want to contact him right away send him an email at doc65@aol.com

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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #32 on:** August 30, 2003, 10:30:57 AM »

I want to wish Doc luck in that Ebonite has no ill will in their intentions.

With that said, the statement was made "It makes no sense Ebonite wanting to put a product that reduces oil absorption since they just released the Hook Again System". I disagree with that statement. Mainly because there will always be skeptics that do not agree that it works, or that it works well enough to do the job it is intended to do. If they were to release something like the Elixir then they can cover it on both ends, if you know what I mean.

Goodluck Doc.....and thanks for the notice.

seadrive · « **Reply #33 on:** August 30, 2003, 11:18:31 AM »

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With that said, the statement was made "It makes no sense Ebonite wanting to put a product that reduces oil absorption since they just released the Hook Again System". I disagree with that statement. Mainly because there will always be skeptics that do not agree that it works, or that it works well enough to do the job it is intended to do. If they were to release something like the Elixir then they can cover it on both ends, if you know what I mean.

Sorry, I have no idea what you mean. Are you trying to say that Ebonite will market Powerhouse Elixir by saying: "Well, we really think it's the movement of plasticizer that causes bowling balls to die, but just in case we're wrong, here's another product for you to try. Please let us know which one works for you."

Is that what you're saying?

BTW, if you're going to quote someone, supposedly verbatim (that's what the quotation marks indicate), it's usually a good idea to use his or her actual words. If you're paraphrasing, you should say so.
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C-G ProShop-Carl · « **Reply #34 on:** August 30, 2003, 11:30:25 AM »

seadrive, what it is saying is that a company having something to cover two different areas is not a bad idea. There will be skeptics against the Hook Again System, and those would be people that would purchase the Elixir procuct if Ebonite had one.

EX.---to make it easy---not matter what you tell some people they will believe that the equipment absorbs oil. If they can buy a product for $10-$15 that will slow that absorption for awhile and not need to use the hook again system as much then they may do that.

Many companies including Ultimate have a few different cleaning products, does that mean that when they release a new one that other one didn't quite do the job? No. It offers variety. Bowlers are all about variety.

ambi1 · « **Reply #35 on:** August 30, 2003, 11:23:33 PM »

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Check with your Patent attorneys and give out minimal info until they reply or you're ordered by the courts. We have seen certain companies R&D departments roaming our website. Yes there are ways to identify some of these people. They may be there honestly but you don't know. I would have my lawyer request exactly why they want the info.

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Yup - what he said!!!

But on the opportunistic side. Get a good lawyer Doc, and find out why. Who knows, they might want to buy you out, or maybe you could supply THEM the elixir as an OEM. But inform us first, so we can stock up.

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Bjaardker · « **Reply #36 on:** August 31, 2003, 03:16:11 AM »

[quote I just don't agree with Bjaarker and the reference to the Microsoft deal. He is just trying to be negative and stir up the controvery once again.

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Ice, I wasn't saying that Ebonite is a pirate.....YET.

I was merely disagreeing with him that once you steal another man's idea, you're blacklisted forever. There are just too many stories where the original inventor of something gets the shaft & a big company gets bigger from it.

T-GOD · « **Reply #37 on:** August 31, 2003, 06:53:19 AM »

I'm surprised Ebonite would ask for a MSDS. They can just order the product and have it tested for themselves.

Doc, I would ask Ebonite for an MSDS on their bowling balls and their other products, resin ball cleaners, ball plishes, including their Hook Again product. Let's see how they respond to that. =:^D

B Pirnie · « **Reply #38 on:** August 31, 2003, 07:27:30 AM »

The simple facts are that if that product is being used by Ebonite for what ever purpose they are required by law to have a MSDS for it. As for Ebonite sending out MSDS they must follow the same law and send one when requested.
A favorite of OSHA inspectors is to ask to see the MSDS for copier toner. You can be fined for not having it. Isn't it wonderful to have so many helpful laws.

Doc Hollywood · « **Reply #39 on:** August 31, 2003, 10:27:51 AM »

I will be calling Ebonite next week and talking to them about the Elixir.

If anything comes up I'll post it here.

Doc
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Bjaardker · « **Reply #40 on:** August 31, 2003, 01:44:43 PM »

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I'm surprised Ebonite would ask for a MSDS. They can just order the product and have it tested for themselves.

T-god,

As has alreday been stated many times now. A large corporation almost ALWAYS has the MSDS for any chemical or possibly hazardous product on hand. It's part of the "Right to Know" laws that protect employees.

More than likely Ron H. has to have that MSDS before he can even bring the stuff in the building to have it tested.

Doc Hollywood · « **Reply #41 on:** September 04, 2003, 04:40:35 PM »

Just got off the phone with Ronald Hickland and going to send him a sample for testing.

Ebonite isn't any more special than the rest of you. They are going to pay for the sample. So see....I don't send out any free samples.

They are going to test it to see how it works with their coverstocks and are going to get back to me with the results.

I'll keep everyone informed.

Any of you guys want to tell Ron of their experience with the Elixir and how it performs on Ebonite's coverstocks. Message him care of Ballreviews I'm sure he will be interested in other bowlers opinion as well as their own testing.

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cidbearit · « **Reply #42 on:** September 05, 2003, 12:19:38 PM »

I'm glad to see that Brunswick's intentions appear to be honest, and am impressed that two of their exec's actually bothered to post to this forum. Good luck, Doc!

On a slightly different note, though, this discussion did bring up a concern I had after purchasing and receiving a bottle of the Elixir. I have three small children at home, and my wife and I are always concerned about potentially toxic materials we bring into our home. Although the Elixir does contain a warning about not consuming the product, it doesn't state anything about procedures in the event of accidental ingestion. For example, materials that are petroleum based usually indicate so, and state "Do Not Induce Vomiting," as these products burn the mucosal lining of the mouth and throat when ingested, and would cause further burning if regurgitated.

For the sake of any concerned parents purchasing your product, Doc, it would be nice if you listed at least some basic first aid info in the event of accidental ingestion or contact with the eyes.

cidbearit

Bjaardker · « **Reply #43 on:** September 05, 2003, 12:25:15 PM »

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I'm glad to see that Brunswick's intentions appear to be honest

Ebonite.

cidbearit · « **Reply #44 on:** September 05, 2003, 01:25:43 PM »

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I'm glad to see that Brunswick's intentions appear to be honest

Ebonite.

Oops. My bad.

What he said....

cidbearit

Doc Hollywood · « **Reply #45 on:** September 05, 2003, 10:03:59 PM »

For those who are interested regarding ingestion.

According to the chemists out there this is what they have told me.

"INGESTION: IF SWALLOWED, CALL A PHYSICIAN IMMEDIATELY. ONLY INDUCE VOMITING AT THE INSTRUCTION OF A PHYSICIAN. NEVER GIVE ANYTHING BY MOUTH TO AN UNCONSCIOUS PERSON."
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