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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: todvan on August 03, 2015, 03:20:37 PM
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If you have 2 balls, 1 flares more than the other, and all else is equal - what difference is there in ball reaction?
Does more flare cause the ball to hook and roll sooner than the other?
Does more flare cause the ball to cover more boards than the other?
Does more flare cause the ball to burn up (lose energy) sooner than the other?
All of the above or something else?
Thanks!!
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IF everything else is equal, more flare means earlier and more hook. Flare = hook POTENTIAL. Under ideal conditions it means more board coverage. If the cover is too strong for the conditions, it will burn up and roll out. Don't even think about using that information with different covers, or probably cores. Like the RG discussion a few days ago, flare means little by itself.
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at its most basic level, more flare means more clean surface of the ball hitting the lane...that could lead to early burn as it expends energy too quickly on a shorter pattern OR it could result in nice movement in the back with sufficient retained energy to allow the ball to work. You could also see anything in between those extremes...
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In my opinion it depends on how much flare you start with.
The advantage of flare is to expose ball surface that doesn't have lane conditioner on it. Once you have enough flare that each track of the ball is separate then no additional reaction is gained by increasing the separation between the tracks.
In fact if you get too much flare the ball will try to flare over gripping holes.
Columbia 300 made a ball (After Shock I believe was the name) with so much flare potential the track would go almost around the ball clipping finger and thumb holes along the way, if you drilled it to maximize the flare.
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My Aftershock Pearl was siiiiiiick.
I drilled a Ebonite Savage rev leverage (back in the day!) with a large low hole, about a 4 inch pin to pap, and the thing flared like mad. 2.52 0.055 and the thing was a monster. I used it on heavy patterns that were less than 43 feet. Cover got it thru the fronts, and the thing would just move out of this world on the back. Kinda miss that ball lol!
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If you work at Chotchkie's, more "flare" will keep the boss off your back. ;D
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If you work at Chotchkie's, more "flare" will keep the boss off your back. ;D
15 pieces is the minimum.
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If you work at Chotchkie's, more "flare" will keep the boss off your back. ;D
15 pieces is the minimum.
But do you REALLY want to just do the bare minimum?
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If you work at Chotchkie's, more "flare" will keep the boss off your back. ;D
15 pieces is the minimum.
But do you REALLY want to just do the bare minimum?
Well, I thought I remembered everyone saying that they wanted to express themselves.
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If you work at Chotchkie's, more "flare" will keep the boss off your back. ;D
15 pieces is the minimum.
But do you REALLY want to just do the bare minimum?
Well, I thought I remembered everyone saying that they wanted to express themselves.
Here's me, expressing MYSELF!
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If you have 2 balls, 1 flares more than the other, and all else is equal - what difference is there in ball reaction?
Does more flare cause the ball to hook and roll sooner than the other?
Does more flare cause the ball to cover more boards than the other?
Does more flare cause the ball to burn up (lose energy) sooner than the other?
All of the above or something else?
Thanks!!
It depends on the RG of the core. If the RG is 2.50, the ball more than likely will be earlier and smoother. If a ball like the Cyclones and Freezes with RGs in the high 2.5s with the .050 diff, are going to be more skid flip.
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That explains it all right there
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Response is in terms to how quickly a cover responds to friction...some are slower and some are quicker...this is dictated by cover strength and amt of surface grit...a slower response is a smoother transition from oil to friction and quicker is one that transitions faster or more noticeably
Flare can definitely enhance the response phase...more flare or wider separation gaps slows the response time and less flare separation or tighter rings quickens the response time
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Response is in terms to how quickly a cover responds to friction...some are slower and some are quicker...this is dictated by cover strength and amt of surface grit...a slower response is a smoother transition from oil to friction and quicker is one that transitions faster or more noticeably
Flare can definitely enhance the response phase...more flare or wider separation gaps slows the response time and less flare separation or tighter rings quickens the response time
I thought is was opposite. Less flare equals slower response and more flare has faster response. More flare = more friction. Isn't than why dry lanes balls are mostly low flare?
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Response is in terms to how quickly a cover responds to friction...some are slower and some are quicker...this is dictated by cover strength and amt of surface grit...a slower response is a smoother transition from oil to friction and quicker is one that transitions faster or more noticeably
Flare can definitely enhance the response phase...more flare or wider separation gaps slows the response time and less flare separation or tighter rings quickens the response time
I thought is was opposite. Less flare equals slower response and more flare has faster response. More flare = more friction. Isn't than why dry lanes balls are mostly low flare?
Think about it, less flare = more energy retention. When and if the ball releases said energy, its much quicker. More flare = ball slows down, hence slower response. At least this is how I understand it. I could be wrong.
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Slower response is front to back and faster is angler or side to side
If there is more flare the bowling ball will slow earlier or easier cause less distinct motion or movement
A faster or quicker response will be more visual...less flare or tighter separation creates more skid in oil and faster/quicker response to friction
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I think I'm on the same page with you Rico, but maybe not.
Let's take two balls with the same cover and surface, but different cores. Ball A - high flare core; Ball B - low flare core.
If I take both balls and throw them straight up 10 (keeping it simple).
Ball A will slow down sooner (b/c more flare=more fresh ball surface or traction) and begin to move right to left sooner. As the ball comes out of the oil and sees more friction it will continue moving left faster until it hits the pins or burns up all of its energy and rolls out. All that is dependent on ball surface and length/volume of oil.
Ball B will go straighter longer because it has less traction/flare in the oil. Once it sees more friction it will "not" move left to right as fast because it is still has oil in the track carried over from the front part lane.
To me High Flare slows down sooner and moves left to right faster.
Low Flare slows down later and moves left to right slower (b/c of slower response to friction)
Am I even close?
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Flare doesn't make the ball become more angular axis rotation does...
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Of a bowling ball has 30 degree of rotation and it has minimal flare separation, when the ball sees friction it will tend to respond or react more sharply or noticeably...if the ball has a higher degree of flare separation, it is contacting the lane sooner thus slowing before it sees the friction
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Ahhhhhhh!! (light bulb "on")
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Slower response is front to back and faster is angler or side to side
If there is more flare the bowling ball will slow earlier or easier cause less distinct motion or movement
A faster or quicker response will be more visual...less flare or tighter separation creates more skid in oil and faster/quicker response to friction
This is good - not what I expected either - but makes some sense now that I think about it. Glad I asked. I was assuming that more flare (everything else being the same) meant that it would react more strongly once it left the oil. But it is reacting sooner and smoother instead. Thanks!
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Slower response is front to back and faster is angler or side to side
If there is more flare the bowling ball will slow earlier or easier cause less distinct motion or movement
A faster or quicker response will be more visual...less flare or tighter separation creates more skid in oil and faster/quicker response to friction
Question,
So for those that have a higher rotation/lower revs/med to med high speed to revs, a high flare ball would be more of a smooth arc than a low flare ball which I think would be longer and a much sharper turn off the break point and a stronger entry angle. Correct?
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The layout is merely flare management and an enhancer not the creator...coverstock strength & surface grit dictates lengths and how the ball slows down and/or responds to transition
But to answer your question....yes
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Great post, very informative!