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Mos at it again.
« on: October 07, 2019, 06:48:24 AM »
Another awesome seminar is up from Mo Pinel if you havent seen it yet.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sbU5Rcmab8E

Some awesome info and more Moisms for the bowling community to comment upon.

I do enjoy his thoughts on the game.
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Re: Mos at it again.
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2019, 02:44:29 PM »
Thanks for posting.

Interesting to see him advocating against pin down layouts on symmetric balls because there is no weight hole to help rev it up.

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Re: Mos at it again.
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2019, 03:32:39 PM »

Interesting to see him advocating against pin down layouts on symmetric balls because there is no weight hole to help rev it up.


For me, the rule also means I need to not go long on my pin-pap with symmetrical cores. My dv8 freak Show Solid originally loped too much with the pin-pap being around 5 ", once I put a p3 hole in it completely changed the reaction.
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Re: Mos at it again.
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2019, 05:24:46 PM »
I love his comments on pin down layouts and seeing different men and women Brunswick staffers win using said pin down layouts. At least he's honest when he says he's biased against them
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Re: Mos at it again.
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2019, 06:19:10 PM »
The Bill Taylor comments were uncalled for.

But as far as the layouts, I'll agree with stronger pins now for symmetricals. I'm going to go from 5 to 4 to smooth out the motion.
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Re: Mos at it again.
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2019, 07:22:02 PM »
Pin down on symmetrics has its place even on THS and even if speed dominant.  My pin down IQ Tour is by far the best no tap ball in my arsenal lol.  Do tend to do better with pin up but have had some big games with my pin down Fix which is technically symmetric when drilled that way.
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Re: Mos at it again.
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2019, 03:14:15 PM »
can someone explain something to me.  Mo said that urethane balls do not absorb oil like reactives do. Then he said urethane stops hooking because the cover becomes saturated with oil within a game or a game and a half and need to be sanded before they are used again. Those two statements seem to contradict each other. Did I misunderstand him, or am I missing something?

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Re: Mos at it again.
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2019, 03:22:56 PM »
No! I don't believe you are missing anything. He didn't say that they do not absorb ANY oil.....they just don't absorb as much as reactive do!

So,having said that,this means they push a lot of oil downlane rather than absorbing it.

Also, when they do absorb as much oil as the ball will take, meaning saturated.....they stop hooking as much as they did before they absorbed all the oil.

No conflict....just facts!  ::) ::) ;)
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2019, 03:48:52 PM »
So all the years that I threw urethane[many years ago I might add] I should have sanded them after every 3 game set? I know we wiped of the ball after every shot and cleaned them, but the only time they got sanded was when they got tracked up. Are the new urethane balls different so that the cover is saturated in a very short period of time compared to the "old" urethane. Were we losing performance and just not realizing it? Maybe because years ago the volume was way less and not as much was on the ball after every shot. Mo is one of the smartest in the game. Not trying to second guess him or anyone. Just didn't jive with me.

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Re: Mos at it again.
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2019, 03:54:02 PM »
A lot of the newer urethane balls are NOT pure urethane. They are kind of a hybrid blend or reactathane, if you will, so they suck up more oil then the older pieces do!

Now this is not the case for all urethane balls being made now, of course.

And yes, in the old days you were losing performance the more you bowled with the urethane, but, more than likely....you just adjusted!
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Re: Mos at it again.
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2019, 04:00:57 PM »
The volume nowadays is about 10 times higher than back in the urethane days.
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Re: Mos at it again.
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2019, 04:22:19 PM »
Makes more sense now. Thanks to both of you for your responses.

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Re: Mos at it again.
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2019, 07:37:13 PM »
Original urethane from years ago doesn't hook nearly as much as todays "urethanes" do.  I have a Columbia Beast Blue urethane that is no where close to as strong as todays Hammer Purple pearl urethane.

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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2019, 01:51:30 PM »
I think Mo is saying urethane depends on mechanical friction only to hook (reactives have chemical friction in addition) and a true urethane ball's cover quickly gets saturated with oil but only on the outside of the cover stock.  Especially since old urethane didn't flare much and the oil has no where to go since old urethane absorbs oil in the cover stock itself at about 1/20 to 1/50 the rate of modern reactives, the ball loses traction and reaction later in a block.  Which is true in my experience.  In addition urethane loses surface so simply cleaning oil off not enough after while.  In general urethane needs more surface to perform (especially on modern heavier oil) so letting one lane shine is generally not ideal unless on lower volume or revzilla.  Old urethane though weaker and earlier generally also does hold its surface longer imo.  Faball Blue Hammer in my opinion was such a legend in part because held its surface better than any other ball I have owned.  A real bear to polish as well.  Also Mo is super smart but contradicts himself often when business conditions change. He used to be totally against symmetrical cores until he wasn't.
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Re: Mos at it again.
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2019, 07:44:35 PM »
I think Mo is saying urethane depends on mechanical friction only to hook (reactives have chemical friction in addition) and a true urethane ball's cover quickly gets saturated with oil but only on the outside of the cover stock.  Especially since old urethane didn't flare much and the oil has no where to go since old urethane absorbs oil in the cover stock itself at about 1/20 to 1/50 the rate of modern reactives, the ball loses traction and reaction later in a block.  Which is true in my experience.  In addition urethane loses surface so simply cleaning oil off not enough after while.  In general urethane needs more surface to perform (especially on modern heavier oil) so letting one lane shine is generally not ideal unless on lower volume or revzilla.  Old urethane though weaker and earlier generally also does hold its surface longer imo.  Faball Blue Hammer in my opinion was such a legend in part because held its surface better than any other ball I have owned.  A real bear to polish as well.  Also Mo is super smart but contradicts himself often when business conditions change. He used to be totally against symmetrical cores until he wasn't.


And now with weight holes soon to be no more he is back to the all in on asyms mentality again.
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