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Title: Mushtare Rules
Post by: zeus on June 16, 2006, 02:27:02 PM
Headlines on the local news confirms 2 900's for the wonder boy. History is made,let the games begin!!!!
Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: smash8-10split on June 16, 2006, 10:37:45 PM
wonder when this chode is gonna go on the tour with all them skillz??
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: thehurricane on June 16, 2006, 10:52:29 PM
Hey man, this guy's got power. Raw power.

I mean, he's like 8 feet tall, 300 lbs, and made of solid gold. I believe he's got the potential to hang with the best of them. He might just be able to do it.


P.S. He can eat NIB bowling balls and poop them out with whatever drilling he wants.
Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: Joe Jr on June 16, 2006, 11:15:40 PM
Odd how someone with that much talent bowls one 1 league, which is wear all his honor scores are at...
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: DP3 on June 16, 2006, 11:44:29 PM
My stomach hurts.  I still never got an 800 approved from february for faulty paperwork from the league secretary.  A manager at the bowling alley said he'd look into it and "correct it" for me but it's been almost 5 months and still nothing.

Oh well I guess we have the answer to the age old question: "If a tree falls in the woods and no one's around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

....guess the answer is yes.
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: Rev_O on June 16, 2006, 11:47:29 PM
this is by far the saddest day bowling has ever seen. What a disgrace to the game!!
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: thehurricane on June 17, 2006, 12:02:46 AM
This just in, Robert Mushtare has had a 905 three-game series approved!

Mushtare:"Well, I just started rolling the ball and the pins fell down. I had about 25 boards of area. Getting a 900 series isn't that tough, but those extra five pins were pretty hard to get."
Mushtare's father:"I knew he could do it. He's had several in practice. We're just so proud of him."
Mushtare:"Some people say its impossible, but it just took a little practice and some luck."
Mushtare says his next goal is to maintain a 300 league average for an entire season.

Edited on 6/17/2006 0:05 AM
Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: Speedburner89 on June 17, 2006, 12:21:55 AM
yeah, this will definetly help the sport of bowling.  way to go usbc, you've outdone yourselves this time.
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: themagician on June 17, 2006, 12:22:22 AM
dude i threw up when i saw this (i was sick already but it made me sicker) this is rediculous and the USBC really has let us bowlers down, no more rings, no more free stuff for great honor scores, and approving those scores its just complete and utter garbage
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: Nails on June 17, 2006, 12:41:10 AM
What city did this make the local "news" in?  Still nothing on Bowl.com, so I don't think anything is official.  Maybe they are just slow in updating the web site, but I don't think that's the case.

The "free" junior ring were discontinued because they had enough value to jeopardize the junior status.  Stop confusing the issues.  "Free" awards are still available.

And please, if you really want Mushtare's name to disappear, stop bringing it up in every joke.
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: SirAshley on June 17, 2006, 07:47:06 AM
The usBS!!! has done away with youth awards because we only pay 16$ a year and at this rate Mushtare is going to break the bank... Anyway, it's unfortunately a joke, as is our sport and sanctioning body. I told my father as soon as he retires, we're going to buy a bowling alley and you guys will be talking about my pre-bowled 900's!!!
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: CoachJim on June 17, 2006, 08:11:27 AM
I wonder if there has been a sizable dontation to the USBC from a certain cheating little brat's father. They will probably be breaking ground on the new Mushtare wing of the USBC headquarters soon.

This sickens me.
Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: LuvThatWhiteDot on June 17, 2006, 08:20:10 AM
Why are there no averages listed for him anywhere on his member page on bowl.com?

This makes me ill.  I only want a stupid 700 and can't even shoot one! ::grumblegrumblestone8pingrumblegrumble::

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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: SKC on June 17, 2006, 08:50:55 AM


Hi folks..

I'm not familiar with how www.bowl.com works.. We are though, in Denmark, familiar with the story about Robert Mushtare's "feats"..

So my question is, if the score is listed on the site, does that mean the score has been approved?

Peace

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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: Speedburner89 on June 17, 2006, 08:54:04 AM
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So my question is, if the score is listed on the site, does that mean the score has been approved?

 


unfortunetly yes
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: bowl400 on June 17, 2006, 09:20:13 AM
we will see how good he is when we see the results of the junior gold tournament coming up shortly.  as far as i know, he will not be allowed to pre-bowl at his home center and send his scores in.
Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: Gazoo on June 17, 2006, 10:25:15 AM
What I want to know is how many 900's has he had while practicing before a prebowl!
Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: Lillen on June 17, 2006, 10:27:23 AM
Is there a pic and info of this Mushtare guy somewhere 'cause I still don't know who he is..  Maybe it's because I'm living in Sweden and didn't know he existed before reading about him here on Ballreviews..
Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: Troyboy on June 17, 2006, 10:45:17 AM
OK... not going inot the long story about the Mushtare family, but the only place to see any of his averages is on the YBT standings from New York.  Here is the linke http://www.ybtbowling.com/ytdstats_classic_averages.php This year for 98 games he averaged 211.  Now this is a traveling youth tournement, but they are shot on normal house shots.  He is not even close to being on the top for averages in this league.  
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: astrodanco on June 17, 2006, 12:37:01 PM
Robert J Mushtare
Member ID: 6358-123
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Card National Association: USBC
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Date Membership Card Information Sent To Fulfillment House: 2/20/2006
Date Fulfillment House Confirmed Receipt From USBC: 2/21/2006
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Achievements
Achievement/Event Score 1,2,3,Series Org Bowled Assn/Loc
900 series
Pine Plains Jr/Sr  300,300,300,900 USBC 2/19/2006  Watertown YABA
Pine Plains Bowling Center  
300 game
Pine Plains Jr/Sr  256,300,241,797 USBC 2/11/2006  Watertown YABA
Pine Plains Bowling Center  
11 strikes in a row
Pine Plains Jr/Sr  297,227,208,732 USBC 2/4/2006  Watertown YABA
Pine Plains Bowling Center  
300 game
Pine Plains Jr/Sr  289,300,263,852 USBC 1/28/2006  Watertown YABA
Pine Plains Bowling Center  
800 series
Pine Plains Jr/Sr  289,300,263,852 USBC 1/28/2006  Watertown YABA
Pine Plains Bowling Center  
300 game
Pine Plains Jr/Sr  300,244,229,773 USBC 12/17/2005  Watertown YABA
Pine Plains Bowling Center  
300 game
Pine Plains Jr/Sr  300,300,300,900 USBC 12/3/2005  
Pine Plains Bowling Center  
300 game
Pine Plains Jr/Sr  300,300,300,900 USBC 12/3/2005  
Pine Plains Bowling Center  
300 game
Pine Plains Jr/Sr  300,300,300,900 USBC 12/3/2005  
Pine Plains Bowling Center  
900 series
Pine Plains Jr/Sr  300,300,300,900 USBC 12/3/2005  
Pine Plains Bowling Center  
800 series
Pine Plains Jrs/Srs  278,300,256,834 YABA 3/26/2005  
Pine Plains Bowling Center  
300 game
Pine Plains Jrs/Srs  278,300,256,834 YABA 3/26/2005  
Pine Plains Bowling Center  
800 series
Pine Plains Jrs/Srs  254,279,276,809 YABA 3/12/2005  
Pine Plains Bowling Center  
800 series
PINE PLAINS, JRS/SRS  277,260,278,815 YABA 2/12/2005  Watertown YABA
Pine Plains Bowling Center  
300 game
PINE PLAINS JRS/SRS  285,176,300,761 YABA 11/1/2003  Watertown YABA
Pine Plains Bowling Center  
 

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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: astrodanco on June 17, 2006, 12:41:11 PM
Talk about your house mouse.  Every single one of these honor scores were bowled at the same house.  I wonder if there were all pre-bowled as well?  I'd almost bet they were.  USBC SANCTIONING IS 100% WORTHLESS!
Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: janderson on June 17, 2006, 12:45:54 PM
At the very least, it is a statistical anomaly.
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: Tweener92 on June 18, 2006, 09:14:32 PM
This almost makes me want to not be part of the USBC any longer
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: Draxond300 on June 18, 2006, 11:01:10 PM
The locality he's from isn't far from where I live.  Watertown is about an hour north of Syracuse, for those of you who don't know.

As a local bowler, I'm embarassed and appalled.  The USBC has officially completely ruined bowling, and it's an embarassment to even have that card in my wallet right now.
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: AllAirForceTwice on June 18, 2006, 11:50:36 PM
Talk about a "1-House Wonder"... I wonder if he can break duece anywhere else... That center must be the easiest house on earth to doink it like that and shoot 900... oh yeah he only relies a lilbit of luck... I forgot.

2 words for ya Bobby... Sport Bowling.
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: LuckyLefty on September 30, 2006, 01:08:20 PM
Saw this post while looking for the name of a member out here who posted some details of Mushtares previous bowling.

Saw link requested was dead or no longer working.

Here's a link for anyone wanting to see his bowling...ie lillen above.

http://wwnytv.net/72k/full-story.asp?uid=9061&area=sports&ss=mushtare

Click on the two announcers faces for bowling.

REgards,

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PS I guess he will be bowling in college soon...DP3 is a coach in the same conference and has told me he'll keep us up to date on his progress on tougher condition college shots.  I think it will pe interesting.
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: DP3 on September 30, 2006, 01:27:28 PM
It would be interesting, except for the fact that I hear Robert Mushtare will not be bowling collegiately.  His father apparently thinks it'll be bad for his image and personal growth somehow.  This was all reported to me by a teammate of his who will be attending the same college.  

Oh yeah, this will be my last post on br for a long long time......it's hard to really tolerate this place anymore.  Those who have my email know how to get in contact with me.
Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: azus on September 30, 2006, 01:41:21 PM
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It would be interesting, except for the fact that I hear Robert Mushtare will not be bowling collegiately.  His father apparently thinks it'll be bad for his image and personal growth somehow.


Why? Because he wont be bowling on a 8 boards wall and score some 900s?
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 01, 2006, 10:03:58 AM
I missed the two honorary scores anywhere else...in long list above?

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: vilecanards on October 01, 2006, 10:20:14 AM
Damn... just last week I realized I hadn't seen any posts about Mushtare, and thought this story had finally run it's course and died. No such luck, I guess!
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 01, 2006, 10:38:31 AM
If anyone sees two honorary scores anywhere else...let me know where you found it.

I did not see in list above.

Vile...hint for you...if you see a post with the word...Mush in it.  Don't read it...then it won't bother you any.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS disappointed he won't be bowling college...I wanted to hear of some progress on tough shots and also DP3 comments after there teams bowled against each other.  I thought...interesting commentary ahead.  BUt...no..
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: RevLefty on October 01, 2006, 11:09:56 AM
The only thing this proves is that the usbc rules are flawed, someone bent the rules to get his few seconds of fame.  This just shows you what a joke the usbc is and what a mockery Mustare is making out of this sport I love.  This is no different than when barry bonds breaks the all time home run record there is nothing the mlb can do about it but everyone knows he cheated to get it, and ask yourself mr mustare Barry gets much love doesnt he.  So enjoy your claim to fame, it wont last ive seen your video you are nothing special on the lanes and until you post one of those 900's in a league or tourney enviorment with a whole league or tourney around you, you havent accomplished anything but prove what a joke you are!!!  Least I can say all my awards were legit. I believe what I am supposed to say here is I'm out.  Oh by the way you ever get up in michigan look me up in saginaw I will wipe you all over the lanes.
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 01, 2006, 10:47:22 PM
RevLefty...Psssst...

I don't think he is on this site.....shhhhh!

He can't hear you.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS you are now officially about the 301st bowler on this site who has claimed he will beat him!  How does everyone....KNOW?
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: Tweener92 on October 02, 2006, 06:23:28 AM
Please let this freakin topic die already!
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: bobbabouy66 on October 02, 2006, 07:05:22 AM
Go to his bowl.com page and where you see 2006-2007 "season" click the drop down button and select the 2005-2006 season and you will see a 78 game average from last year of 242...  

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OK... not going inot the long story about the Mushtare family, but the only place to see any of his averages is on the YBT standings from New York.  Here is the linke http://www.ybtbowling.com/ytdstats_classic_averages.php This year for 98 games he averaged 211.  Now this is a traveling youth tournement, but they are shot on normal house shots.  He is not even close to being on the top for averages in this league.  
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: supersid802 on October 02, 2006, 07:33:52 AM
i dont see how he would be able to be on the team. he would be getting made fun of and be getting questioned everyday for what happened...i know if he was on my team i wouldnt stop till i got the answer i wanted
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 02, 2006, 11:10:00 AM
Two ideas...

Tweener...a hint...if you see a post with the headline that starts...
"Mush..." don't read it!

I'm interested in seeing how he progresses.  I think it is a fascinating story.
After seeing him throw at the junior gold...I love the way he flings it!

Superside...
I bet you could keep asking and probably not get the answer you want...OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER.

On his interview...he said"Everybody wants me to deny what I did(I say WHY? but that's another story), but I can't...that would be lying!"

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: Jorge300 on October 02, 2006, 11:34:05 AM
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On his interview...he said"Everybody wants me to deny what I did(I say WHY? but that's another story), but I can't...that would be lying!"

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Yes, cause there is absolutely no chance that he might be lying already?!? Please, until there is proof these scores happened, real proof, he will have no future in bowling. We saw how he threw at Junior Gold, missed spares, chopping the 3-6-10, 2 or was it 3 times, not hitting the same mark more then once. Lefty, of everyone that has posted on this site, you are the only one who saw something other then this when they watched him bowl in Florida. How is that? Are all the others lying, or are you too infatuated with him to see the truth?

The other question is why is the USBC witholding the information from the it's hearings on this matter? They routinely release information, for a fee, from suspension hearings and other things more sensitive in nature. Yet for this, they refuse to do so. Witnesses required anonymity in order to testify on Robert's behalf. Again Why? Why would you need this to testify about what you saw. The USBC has created many more questions then it has answered. As dues paying members of that organization, it should be our right to see these documents, yet we are refused. What is the USBC trying to hide here? Maybe it is as they claim, and the witness testimony will back up Musthare's story, or maybe they had no legal way to disallow the scores (but please tell me of any other sport that allows it's ultimate record to be established just because you can't prove it didn't happen rather then true proof that it did happen) and in order to avoid a time-consuming and more importantly money-consuming legal fight promised by Musthare's father in more then one interview, they decided to approve the scores. Someday hopefully, the truth will come out.
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 02, 2006, 12:08:33 PM
Yes, I really like his game!

As to me being the only one who saw something there..
Well there was a guy named Rod Ross.  There was also coach of Vincennes college...

As to pursuing legal action against the USBC....maybe you should pursue it Jorge.

Then you could put your doggedness in the face of repudiation to the test.
Think over and over..."be my maximum pest...be my maximum pest".

They may invalidate the scores if you start coming around...
they'll put on their scale...Jorge aggravation vs Mushtare lawsuit...Jorge Aggravation vs Mushtare lawsuit.  Me thinks they'll say...We'll take Mushtare lawsuit ANY day.

As I told a tenant of mine once..."I'll pay you to move out!"  He was insulted...I said, "don't be...you'll get this offer a lot in your life!  Get used to it!"  That made him feel better!  After I paid...we both felt better!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: Kinalyx on October 02, 2006, 12:30:00 PM
Actually, after watching the video of him, i didnt find his game ot be anything special at all.  He muscles the hell out of the ball, lofts almost to the arrows, & from what i can tell, isnt overly solid at the line either.

Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: Curly on October 02, 2006, 12:33:24 PM
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As I told a tenant of mine once..."I'll pay you to move out!"  He was insulted...I said, "don't be...you'll get this offer a lot in your life!  Get used to it!"  That made him feel better!  After I paid...we both felt better!



Lol @ LuckyLefty!!! That was brilliant. It's funny but even more so cause the cat shoulda been insulted MORE by your mean-ness the SECOND time you opened yer mouth. Not just the first. But......"he felt better". lol. The dregs of society make bad renters.
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: ecc0_9879 on October 02, 2006, 12:55:14 PM
219 ave with those scores that dosnt make sence you have to be on alot more than 219 to be able to run thoes kinda scores
Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: Tweener92 on October 02, 2006, 01:04:27 PM
LL,

Thanks for your advice as it was pure genius! However, I will have to respectfully decline the offer as mushrooms happen to be something that I enjoy in my spaghetti. Being as Mushrooms and Mushtare have an identical beginning, I might miss out on a way to improve on one of my favorite dishes if I were to not read any post with the headline of "Mush" in it. Who knows, someone could have accidentally placed it in the wrong forum or something.  

I don't know if you have noticed but you seem to be the only one on this board that really is concerned with how this young man progresses.  Are you obsessed with Mr. Mushtare or what?? Maybe you should create a website in honor of him and name yourself the president of his fan club as it is very clear that you are his number one fan!

Thanks again,

Tim
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 02, 2006, 01:47:49 PM
Well...it is certainly correct that it is politically correct if on this board to to act disgusted at his name and not be interested in his game.

I take Tim Mack's position on the issue..."IF he did do what he said...it is the greatest story in bowling's history and he should be embraced by bowling".

Since I believe he did it(for reasons expressed many times in these forums)!  I find his accomplishment amazing and am interested to see if he goes anywhere with his talent!

If others aren't interested I understand...And while encouraging interest in Mush..rooms...I understand your feeling of not being invaded by thoughts of Mush Tare.  SO I amend...IF it starts with Musht and is not Mustard.  Avoid!

Again...I believe when someone has claims like this and has other accomplishments (multiple 800s) like he does besides the 900s...it remains to be seen...WHAT will happen?

President of his fan club?!  I don't have the time...but I would do it if it didn't take up any time.  Honorary?...I'm not afraid to accept that position!

Great bowling Robert!  I feel much the way I believe the way the officials of the USBC felt when they were enthusiastically greeting him at the US Junior Gold!  Amazing accomplishment!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: Tweener92 on October 02, 2006, 02:55:47 PM
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SO I amend...IF it starts with Musht and is not Mustard.  Avoid!


Clearly a Freudian slip eh LL?
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 02, 2006, 04:44:24 PM
Good catch...!

He's better than most of us!  By the way....I looked at the video and remembered this definite impression from Junior Gold.  When warming up ...he looked similar to video...like he was warming up(like a lot of us look).  By the time he was done warming up he looked more and more solid at the line!

By the end of the set I saw...he was really nailing his finish...just didn't have a clue what ball...and where to stand for the condition and his game!  Sort of like the rest of us...as we get warmed up...we look better!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 02, 2006, 05:54:06 PM
I wasn't telling YOU!  I was telling the fellow who commented on his TV tape where he was not nailing the finish.

Your mind is MADE up...like many people on this issue.  Don't even worry about it!  Until he shoots 3 800s out of 5 in front you you won't believe it!
I understand where people are coming from.  One either believes it...or doesn't!  Accepted.  If your interested in the guys game...these posts may interest you...if they don't...I understand where you are coming from!

To me...I'm hoping he has more success in the future.  But frankly I'm a fan of every guy I have seen or know who has thrown an 840 or 850 plus.  To ME...they are all great and great to watch(never seen a bad one!)  Wish I could round my game back in to shape and then add another gear to have a chance at threatening one of those big numbers!  It looks like FUN!  It was what I played golf for AFTER I decided I wasn't gonna be Jack Nicklaus or make a fantastic living from the game!  I loved it!
And I love watching bowlers go for it too!  High scoring I think is really a trip!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: Jorge300 on October 02, 2006, 08:47:42 PM
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I wasn't telling YOU!  I was telling the fellow who commented on his TV tape where he was not nailing the finish.

Your mind is MADE up...like many people on this issue.  Don't even worry about it!  Until he shoots 3 800s out of 5 in front you you won't believe it!
I understand where people are coming from.  One either believes it...or doesn't!  Accepted.  If your interested in the guys game...these posts may interest you...if they don't...I understand where you are coming from!

To me...I'm hoping he has more success in the future.  But frankly I'm a fan of every guy I have seen or know who has thrown an 840 or 850 plus.  To ME...they are all great and great to watch(never seen a bad one!)  Wish I could round my game back in to shape and then add another gear to have a chance at threatening one of those big numbers!  It looks like FUN!  It was what I played golf for AFTER I decided I wasn't gonna be Jack Nicklaus or make a fantastic living from the game!  I loved it!
And I love watching bowlers go for it too!  High scoring I think is really a trip!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Maybe this will make more sense if I ever consume alcohol in my life.
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Brandon, there is not enough alcohol on the planet to make Lefty make sense. I have come to realize that a long time ago. Better watch you say though, or he'll claim that you are me too. And he'll start attacking you since he can't answer any of the questions posed to him.

Lefty, so now we have 2 out of what 10-15 people who watched him at Junior Gold that say he has a good game. You say he threw the wrong ball, but they say he couldn't hit the same mark twice. That has nothing to do with the ball. He couldn't make the 3-6-10 to save his life, not the ball. He is not that good. The more people watch him, the more they say how bad he really is. Yet you refuse to accept it, why? And now he is not bowling in college. Why? Because he knows he will embarrass himself. You claim part of the reason he bowled so bad at Junior Gold is he hasn't bowled on tough shots. Well there is a chance for to bowl on tough shots, he could bowl for his college team. The more I read about him the more of a joke he becomes, and the more of joke you become when you post things like before. Not that you had far to go in the first place.
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"Ray, next time someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!!"
Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 03, 2006, 07:58:32 AM
Jorge...

You've never chopped spares on a sports condition?...congratulations...you are the first person not to suffer from that.

YOu have been rebuked by the best on this site(even those who agree with you)!  Over and over and it never deters you!  I really think you should use your special never hold back talents on the USBC.  Maybe they would get sick of you and just give up...you ARE that type of guy!

Sandbagging Uncool...Easy...I like high scoring...I think all bowlers with many 800s and a couple in the over 830 range are great to watch!  I wish him success!  EASY!

Again...as Tim Mack said..."IF he really did what he says he did...bowling should embrace him and his story".  The USBC did!  I believe it...you don't...EASY!

REGards,

Luckylefty





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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: Jorge300 on October 03, 2006, 11:47:03 AM
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Jorge...

You've never chopped spares on a sports condition?...congratulations...you are the first person not to suffer from that.

YOu have been rebuked by the best on this site(even those who agree with you)!  Over and over and it never deters you!  I really think you should use your special never hold back talents on the USBC.  Maybe they would get sick of you and just give up...you ARE that type of guy!

Sandbagging Uncool...Easy...I like high scoring...I think all bowlers with many 800s and a couple in the over 830 range are great to watch!  I wish him success!  EASY!

Again...as Tim Mack said..."IF he really did what he says he did...bowling should embrace him and his story".  The USBC did!  I believe it...you don't...EASY!

REGards,

Luckylefty





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Chopping a spare isn't the issue, once you chop it once, most good bowlers make an adjustment. He chopped the same spare the same way 3 times. That is not good bowling. Period. If he wants to prove he is what he says he is, then why not bowl at college? By the time he graduates, he would have 4 years bowling on tougher conditions, yet he refuses, because his Dad say he doesn't have anything to prove?!? I think his performance at Juinor Gold shows he has a lot to prove.

And the USBC only said that the couldn't find any evidence that this wasn't bowled. That is much different then saying we have found evidence that this WAS bowled. Please tell me another sport, where it's most sacred record is given to an individual without concrete proof that it occurred? I can help you, there is none, not one, nada, zip, zilch.

Again instead of answering questions, you have to disrespect me. I would have expected nothing less from you Lefty.
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"Ray, next time someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!!"
Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: BAPSBill on October 03, 2006, 12:16:53 PM
Hey Guys,

At least "He" got the rule changed so no one else can get a honor score during pre-bowling anymore. Infamously know as the "Mustare Rule".
Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 04, 2006, 09:42:24 AM
Jorge...disrespecting you is easy...You earn it every time!  

REgarding the USBC...throw your considerable testosterone, stridency, and emotion at them....I swear..they will weigh the factors and after you go on and on and on and on and on and on and...... they will throw out the scores....face the Mushtare lawsuit and probably pay you....to go away!  Maybe they will pay you some sort of reparations for your anguish over their process!

Did you ever rent from me?

I have no idea what is going on regarding Robert Mushtare's college bowling...

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: Jorge300 on October 04, 2006, 09:53:50 AM
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Jorge...disrespecting you is easy...You earn it every time!  

REgarding the USBC...throw your considerable testosterone, stridency, and emotion at them....I swear..they will weigh the factors and after you go on and on and on and on and on and on and...... they will throw out the scores....face the Mushtare lawsuit and probably pay you....to go away!  Maybe they will pay you some sort of reparations for your anguish over their process!

Did you ever rent from me?

I have no idea what is going on regarding Robert Mushtare's college bowling...

REgards,

Luckylefty
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It is a true mark of our society today, that you take pride in disrespecting someone else, Lefty. You are a perfect exampe of what's wrong with us as a culture. I am glad everyone gets to see this and what kind a man, no that's not right, boy you really are. Maybe someday when you grow up, you will learn to respect your fellow man, but somehow I doubt it.

I am also glad you stated something I have known for quite a long time, You have no idea..period, is what that sentence should have read, cause you never have any ideas, about anything.

I did notice since I busted you, you haven't moved any of your own posts back to the top, I guess the change in medication is working.
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: jrbowler on October 04, 2006, 04:04:19 PM
I also was at Junior Gold on his squad.  The 1st day I was about 3 pair off to the right of Robert.  From what I saw, he's not horrible.  He struggled.  We all did.  But from his form, He might have been real lucky and bowled one of those 900's.  I can't believe he did them all.  He looked like a 200-210 average bowler.  

The TV Crews were following him and Steven Black also.  Steven was on the ESPN Telecast with Robert.  The camera's didn't bother Steven at all.  I saw Steven have the last 8 or 9 strikes in a row with the camera's on him.  I thought for a minute he had a 300 game the way the scorers looked.  I know Robert finished out of the cut and Steven made the top 16 overall.  

Some of Steven's accomplishments are on www.juniorbowlerstour.com.  Also look on Bowl.com's records for Juniors and you'll see Steven's name for almost every category. 300 games, 800 series, 298 games, 299 games. But, no 900 for Steven though.  IF I didn't know who was who at Junior Gold, I would have believed Steven was the one who shot the 3- 900 series.  Not Robert!!

Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: J_Mac on October 10, 2006, 07:30:18 PM
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Jr is right.  I was there too.  He didn't look like he could bowl those 900's.  Maybe one, but never 3.


I don't think he shott 3 900's either... but have you EVER seen a person bowl a 900?  If not, your opinion of his skill level and making that sort of comparison isn't valid.
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: strikestriketapped on October 10, 2006, 07:33:56 PM
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Jr is right.  I was there too.  He didn't look like he could bowl those 900's.  Maybe one, but never 3.


I don't think he shott 3 900's either... but have you EVER seen a person bowl a 900?  If not, your opinion of his skill level and making that sort of comparison isn't valid.



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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 10, 2006, 07:38:57 PM
Yeah...what is the difference in how a guy looks who has shot 1 900.

And a guy who has shot 3 900s?

What does the difference look like?  What is the differencee between a guy who has 1 850 and another guy who has an 879!

Clue me in too?

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 10, 2006, 08:06:24 PM
I've seen him in person...he throws the ball just like all the other guys I have seen who have 850 plus sets.

I can't tell what the next step looks like for a guy who throws 900!

As to Tim Mack...I have not heard that but I will not deny that it is true that he has said that!

As far as I'm concerned there are few guys who can throw 900 and few guys who can throw 850.  But I've seen a handful!  They are all pretty good in my eyes.  I believe they are basically the same guy!  If a guy can shoot 850 he probably can shoot 900 in my mind!

Had an acquaintance who once went 9 straight games in several leagues I watched...every game started with the front 9.  In each 10th he threw some sort of muff!  I believed he could of shot 900 in all 3 of the sets I saw....he just wasn't mentally ready.   Regular league too!  Harder than prebowling(maybe whey he didn't get there(extra pressure compared to prebowl).  A little less strike power than Robert Mushtare but a very accurate ball!  He has MANY 300s and 800s!

I'll be honest with you....Any guy who I've seen who has shot 850...I believe with breaks they could have all shot 900s.  

If Steven Black told me he had two 900s and the score sheet backed him up...I'd believe it!
If Pete Weber told me he had two 900s and the score sheet backed him up...I'd believe him.
If the guy above told me he prebowled two 900s I'd believe him...heck he almost had 3 in consecutive sets in real league and I think we all know prebowling would be a little easier mentally.

HEy...I'm against prebowling...but it was the rules at the time!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 11, 2006, 11:01:42 AM
1198 was shot in regular league.

Remember all 850s are 34 of 36 ....and 86X are 35 of 36.

One more pin fell....AND in prebowling...and maybe easier lane conditions.
Better is not the issue...and DOESN't have to be the case...All 850 shooters throw the HELL out of it at least the ones I've seen!



REgards,

Luckylefty
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: LuckyLefty on October 11, 2006, 12:01:02 PM
Joe...eliminate your pain...don't read it!

If it says Mushtare on it...your not interested...withhold..your click.

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Title: Re: Mushtare Rules
Post by: Rev_O on October 11, 2006, 12:10:16 PM
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1198 was shot in regular league.

Remember all 850s are 34 of 36 ....and 86X are 35 of 36.



Not true. A buddy of mine shot 867 2 years a go and had 32 out of 36.

278=10 strikes
290=11 strikes
299=11 strikes
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