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lsf_21

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Need something smooth and weak.
« on: January 24, 2013, 05:45:00 PM »
I am frustrated with my current look during league. Basically the 2 looks I have are up 5 with urethane and pray for carry or thread the needle from inside where I have zero room left or right. This house is definitely where straighter is greater.

here is what I am using that is hooking too much. Ebonite Hardball, Track 505c, and storm iq tour pearl.

I am lost at what to do. It seems any pearl I drill I get over under and uncontrollable and solids roll way to early. Do I need to try a different drilling? Different ball? Just give up and quit? any suggestions are welcome.

 

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2013, 06:51:13 PM »
Automatically when I think of lower strength bowling balls, I think of the roto grip scream/shout, storm polar ice(3 piece urethane), and the storm tropical breeze. All of these bowling balls with a controlled layout should give you a much better look.
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2013, 06:52:40 PM »
How's is the iq pearl drilled up? If it's pin over ring and cg stacked you could try 2000 matte finish no polish to help the violent backend reaction.
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2013, 07:00:42 PM »
I have a NIB Rotogrip Riot if you are interested.
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2013, 07:25:03 PM »
the IQ tour pearl is drilled pin down between the ring and middle cg kicked out with a small weight hole. Its actually relatively smooth its just strong throughout the whole lane. If I could get a ball to have the same roll as this but about 20 boards weaker I would be happy.

The 505c is drilled pin above middle and slightly to the right with the MB just left of the thumb. I cant BELIEVE how strong this ball is. I drilled it a month ago with this drilling thinking it would be absolutely perfect for the house. It hooks almost as much as my IQ tour pearl and more snappy down lane.

The Hardball is drilled pin below ring CG center of grip. I can get an OK look with this ball. But I am still forced to move around 15 at the arrows and 5 down lane and gets very over under for me which really surprises me.

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2013, 08:21:02 PM »
Seismic blackout!!! Very smooth and versatile. I love mine! In the top 2-3 balls I've ever owned. It's a polished solid. Low Rg. Low Diff.
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2013, 09:13:37 PM »

I am lost at what to do. It seems any pearl I drill I get over under and uncontrollable and solids roll way to early. Do I need to try a different drilling? Different ball? Just give up and quit? any suggestions are welcome.

There's a big difference between being uncontrollable and getting over/under reactions. Many mild pearls are designed for length but many of those use formerly strong coverstocks (over super mild cores) that react violently when polished. They're fine for speed dominant players but not for matched or for rev dominant players. Examples of this are the Tropical Breeze & Tropical Heat pearls. Polished Reactor coverstock surfaces act very flippy for matched or rev dominant players.

What you may want to do is get a mild pearl and sand the cover stock to 3000 or 4000 grit and leave it matte. That often controls or helps to control their backend reaction on light oil lanes. It can help over/under if you're using an especially mild polished pearl that may be too weak to handle inside oil or wet/dry patterns.

Not sure how much oil you need to handle so it's hard to be more specific.

Possible balls are Scream, Ascent Pearl, Slingshot, Tropical Breeze.

By the way, the new Arson Low Flare supposedly has an extremely urethane-like overall reaction. It comes polished but with a rough grit level underneath: 1000 grit.
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2013, 09:45:08 PM »
Might knock the polish off the 505c and see what kind of reaction that gives me.

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2013, 10:51:03 PM »
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I have a 505c also, and it's very strong.... expecially for a 5series....

you could try a Rico drilling on something like a 300T or 300C 

or do a 5 x 5 or 4.5 pin down drilling..     
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2013, 04:36:03 AM »
I will suggest a visionary Gladiator LE.....you can still get ahold of them: I believe bowlerscellar still has some. I really like mine...it is smooth and relatively weak depending on where you put the cover.

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2013, 06:15:44 AM »
are you playing on wood or synthetic?  is there oil in the middle you could use to swing out, and roll up to the pocket? 

i know you siad straighter is better, but i ran into some of that earier this year, and all i ran into was unpredictable oil pattern transitions playing straight up 5, as i was playing in everybody else's break point.  since then, i have started to play more of the middle, putting a few more revs on the ball and tucking it in deep corner, and smashing the whole.  The more revs and deeper angle have added to my ability to carry out pins, even on high and low flush hits, that i never thought would carry.
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2013, 08:59:20 AM »
Having some of the same issues, I recently had a RG Shout drilled up, pin above and cg kicked out. That being said, I then took a test spin, came home, added a tad more polish, and voila! Now I have a great piece for down the boards, or add a bit more hand and can get a 5-10 board swing area out to the drier with still having some pop at the pocket.
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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2013, 09:59:12 AM »
are you playing on wood or synthetic?  is there oil in the middle you could use to swing out, and roll up to the pocket? 


Bowling on synthetic.

If there is oil in the middle I haven't found it. The inside seems so toasty to me. I laid off speed with my storm natural and played 15 at the arrows and 10 down lane and the ball was getting back to the pocket.

The problem with my Natural is it wont carry at all. I did throw front 10 with it a week ago, but threw it Monday and left 8 single pins in a game.

Anyway, Knocking the polish off something tonight to see if I can smooth the backend out. Will update afterwards.

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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2013, 10:46:14 AM »
For those with knowledge, would the Versa Max be a decent option?  I sometimes see similar conditions and was considering the versamax since I've read it is long and mild and versatile.


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Re: Need something smooth and weak.
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2013, 11:12:06 AM »
I also give up on watching youtube videos to give me an idea on what a ball might do.

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