Author Topic: Why is one brand "better" than another? (Read 8922 times)

The Bowling Pariah · « **on:** August 02, 2013, 01:40:31 PM »

Every time I come here ( I lurk a lot), I see people posting about how "Brand X is the best", or "Brand Y beats everybody else". People who probably don't even know each other, starting arguments with each other, trying to claim superiority for "their" brand.

THIS IS NOTHING MORE THAN OPINIONS, AND EVERYBODY ALREADY KNOWS THAT OPINIONS DON'T COUNT, JUST FACTS.

I am looking for REAL data, REAL reasons and FACTS, not just people opinions.

What makes ANY brand "better" than any other brand?

Is it really true, or is it ALL just opinion based?

Track_Fanatic · « **Reply #16 on:** August 03, 2013, 12:36:20 PM »

Ah yes, the Mission. Awesome ball. Wish they didn't discontinue that one. That was the best ball I had thrown in a few years when it came out.

Gizmo823 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 04, 2013, 08:22:35 AM »

Well, you're asking a question there is no numerical or mathematical answer to, there's no way to quantify it, so you aren't going to get one. There are several factors that go into the reason though. Companies all have different characteristics. Certain balls will roll better for some people than others, and depending on the lane conditions they bowl on, certain companies will perform better. Some companies balls are more durable, or some companies balls die faster if used on conditions they aren't intended for than others. So there are scientific reasons, but not mathematical reasons. If you take Brunswick equipment against Storm equipment on a short, dry pattern, there's a better chance that you will find the best matchup with a Storm ball, because Storm traditionally is long and strong, while Brunswick is early and smooth. People will champion the equipment that works the best for them, so while it may not be accurate for them to say that company is the best on the market for everybody, it very well may be the best on the market for them.

Impending Doom · « **Reply #18 on:** August 04, 2013, 08:28:49 AM »

To expand on that thought, some people who are brand loyal, they have built an arsenal on that product line. I know the coverstock strength of everything in my arsenal, and can still something with a stronger or weaker cover pretty easy. It also depends on what ball reaction the person wants to see. They may like the quick transition look of Utah products, but maybe they would be better matched with something earlier and smoother. The opposite is true as well.

avabob · « **Reply #19 on:** August 04, 2013, 11:10:41 AM »

I also think companies cover a broader range of characteristics than was true 10 or 15 years ago. I know some Storm and Roto balls give that same early smooth rolling look that I liked from my older Brunswick stuff. Conversely Brunswick has some fairly skid snappy stuff in their lineup now.

FlappersRevenge · « **Reply #20 on:** August 04, 2013, 11:27:26 AM »

I don't understand this whole topic either. For me personally, when I was bowling in a dozen houses or more every year, I found that Brunswick was the best match (and they were also top dog at the time) - I drilled 3 Hammer balls prior to switching to Brunswick and only one matched up, I had tried Storm, Ebonite, C300, Brunswick was just the best match.

Now, however, after just getting back into the game, I'm finding that none of what I have really matches up to me anymore, and I don't own anything current. I did however have an opportunity to throw a Diva last week and thought it rolled amazing and will probably be drilling one after I try some grip changes and get everything sorted out. I don't know that one company is better than any other, it's more of a matchup thing. I don't know what matches up to me right now, but I really liked the way the Diva rolled and DV8 looks like a great product.

The Bowling Pariah · « **Reply #21 on:** August 04, 2013, 11:35:43 AM »

So let me get this right.

When you take out ALL the personal OPINIONS, and boil it down to the actual FACTS (which don't seem to exist), you get this:

Ebonite=Brunswick=Track=Lord Field=Storm= etc, etc, etc................ CORRECT?

So, why do I see so much product "bashing" on here? CONSTANTLY.

"I would NEVER throw "them". They're no good. All they make is Mexican crap".
"I wouldn't buy one of "those", they don't last but 40 games, then they DIE".
"Too bad for them, I don't EVER buy junk that is all skid/flip, unpredictable JUNK".
"You mean you're throwing stuff made in KOREA? How stupid are you, that's all trash"?
"You bought WHAT? Don't you know all they do is crack after a few games"?
"Did you say CHINA? Why the hell would you EVER want bowling stuff from there"?

So, can we all just stop the bashing?
Maybe you DO have a personal preference, and THAT is understandable, but that does not mean that everything else out there is "junk", or "crap", or any other of a number of derogatory terms.

I am willing to bet that few, if ANY, of the people who responded to this thread are among those I speak of, but lots of others look at the thread and read what is here, so perhaps SOME of them could/might see this and put a lid on some of their inconsiderate, uneducated, and asinine bashing based solely on their PERSONAL OPINION.

Jimmy Fields · « **Reply #22 on:** August 04, 2013, 05:11:22 PM »

Quote from: The Bowling Pariah on August 04, 2013, 11:35:43 AM

So let me get this right.

When you take out ALL the personal OPINIONS, and boil it down to the actual FACTS (which don't seem to exist), you get this:

Ebonite=Brunswick=Track=Lord Field=Storm= etc, etc, etc................ CORRECT?

So, why do I see so much product "bashing" on here? CONSTANTLY.

"I would NEVER throw "them". They're no good. All they make is Mexican crap".
"I wouldn't buy one of "those", they don't last but 40 games, then they DIE".
"Too bad for them, I don't EVER buy junk that is all skid/flip, unpredictable JUNK".
"You mean you're throwing stuff made in KOREA? How stupid are you, that's all trash"?
"You bought WHAT? Don't you know all they do is crack after a few games"?
"Did you say CHINA? Why the hell would you EVER want bowling stuff from there"?

So, can we all just stop the bashing?
Maybe you DO have a personal preference, and THAT is understandable, but that does not mean that everything else out there is "junk", or "crap", or any other of a number of derogatory terms.

I am willing to bet that few, if ANY, of the people who responded to this thread are among those I speak of, but lots of others look at the thread and read what is here, so perhaps SOME of them could/might see this and put a lid on some of their inconsiderate, uneducated, and asinine bashing based solely on their PERSONAL OPINION.

So i went back over the entire thread and never saw any product bashing as you relate here in this post so i missed something. Maybe this post can be removed as well. This has turned into a Ford/General Motors thread. Which brand of vehicle is better? Give me facts!! LOL

Gizmo823 · « **Reply #23 on:** August 04, 2013, 05:56:25 PM »

Well you got it, but not exactly. I believe certain brands are better than others right now. Some brands offer several different reaction shapes that fit several different bowler's styles over several different conditions, while some brands aren't as versatile. And some of those brands, even when matched up well, can't outperform another company's comparative piece. We like to say there are no bad balls, just bad ball reactions, and some companies are more likely to have bad ball reactions on a wider range of conditions because of the lack of versatility. I do think Storm is on top of the game right now, because they offer a very complete package, and also because they're paired with Roto. So certain companies may not make "junk" but it may seem like it comparatively. What people are saying comes from perspectives, not hard definitions.

avabob · « **Reply #24 on:** August 05, 2013, 10:21:49 AM »

Also, some company shells don't hold up as well. Ebonite in particular.

trash heap · « **Reply #25 on:** August 05, 2013, 04:08:30 PM »

To OP,

There is just too many bowling balls out there. There are very few people in this world that could give a true comparision across them all. Opinions is all you have to work on.

What really would help if everyone would get on board and encourage bowlers to have their style identified. If several bowlers have success with a specific bowling ball and I see that their "Bowling Style" (Speed/Rotation/Tilt) is similar to mine, that opinion becomes more valuable.

avabob · « **Reply #26 on:** August 05, 2013, 06:08:44 PM »

Good point Trash. As a low rev old codger, I don't pay much attention to what a young cranker is using, but I do pay attention when I see a stroker throwing something successfully.

abrown · « **Reply #27 on:** August 05, 2013, 11:10:27 PM »

really this is a post? one brand to the next this isnt a question; i have been brand loyal on and off but find myself and alot of bowlers i know going with what works for them vs what a magazine or another persons rating of a ball is. as far as a educated there are alot of variables to be put in place to even think of making one. as each bowlers style and stats all the way down to the lane surface and so on. do you base your opinions on PBA wins well take in a count the bowlers are much better than any if not all of us. knowing your game and stats are the best way to find the best ball for you and what you want it to do

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