BallReviews
General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: thewhiz on November 22, 2014, 11:57:43 PM
-
My girlfriend has a storm byte. She wants a ball with more hook. Throws about 13 mph. Straight up the back. What ball would I get her. Company don't matter. Has to be colorful. Lol. That's her request. She averages 160 ish.
-
To be honest.....that new c300 meltdown...to me would fit the bill.
-
I threw the Meltdown at a recent Columbia Demo Day. As far as colorful, you need sunglasses to stare at the thing. And it definitely wants to hook off your hand.
It probably fits what you're looking for.
-
I bought a hook in the box monster once. Carefully placed it on the foul line and it didn't hook a bit, so I took it back.
Seriously, contrary to common perception it is still the bowler who hooks the ball. If this girl cant get a byte to hook all she is going to do with that ball speed is see a stronger ball hook a little bit in the heads, and then go straight.
-
take the polish off the Byte first
-
Also depends on why her ball doesn't hook enough. If it is because it is burning up, then a weaker ball could hook more. In the end, your trusted, local pro shop is who should be making this suggestion.
-
I bought a hook in the box monster once. Carefully placed it on the foul line and it didn't hook a bit, so I took it back.
Seriously, contrary to common perception it is still the bowler who hooks the ball. If this girl cant get a byte to hook all she is going to do with that ball speed is see a stronger ball hook a little bit in the heads, and then go straight.
+1 even coming straight up the back of the ball the ball she will not get a stronger ball to hook "more"
IMO if she wants to see more movement down lane buy her a ball that will get down the lane easily then hook, and have her use the byte when she has real volume.
-
+1 even coming straight up the back of the ball the ball she will not get a stronger ball to hook "more"
IMO if she wants to see more movement down lane buy her a ball that will get down the lane easily then hook, and have her use the byte when she has real volume.
Actually, not entirely accurate. A lower rev player will commonly see their ball skid all the way to the pins. They don't have the hand to make the ball pick up even when it hits friction on the backend.
Some of these player can benefit from a lower RG ball with a high friction cover. Even though their roll is end-over-end, the cover grabs friction earlier, and provides more movement.
I don't know if this is the profile of the young lady, but it seems close based on the limited description provided.
-
That is very uncommon in todays environment of fresh strip and 40 foot patterns, especially at lower ball speeds. Lots of axis rotation can delay the reaction and give you more of a skid snap look coming off the oil, but 95% of all low rev deliveries with lots of axis rotation, and slower ball speed burn up before they get to the pocket.
-
I don't know how common or uncommon it is, but I see it frequently. I practice along side morning senior leagues on a fresh THS twice a week, and it's business as usual for many in those leagues. Crisp backends vary by house, and we don't have them....
I could note other examples, but the fact is that it's a situation many lower rev bowlers encounter.
-
At 13 mph, out of the box, a Byte should hook on anything with clean backends. The comment I'm dialing in on is the straight up the back of it one. If she's coming straight up the back of it, nothing else will hook more for her. The Byte is a pretty aggressive ball. Even at a 200 rev rate, which should be created by the natural rotation caused by even a weak wristed release, at 13 mph, a Byte should hook given even a moderate angle of rotation on just about anything.
-
At 13 mph, out of the box, a Byte should hook on anything with clean backends. The comment I'm dialing in on is the straight up the back of it one. If she's coming straight up the back of it, nothing else will hook more for her. The Byte is a pretty aggressive ball. Even at a 200 rev rate, which should be created by the natural rotation caused by even a weak wristed release, at 13 mph, a Byte should hook given even a moderate angle of rotation on just about anything.
Based on your "clean backends" statement, I'd agree. The only point I was trying to make earlier is that "clean backends" are not a given. And while a NIB Byte is pretty aggressive, we don't know the current condition of her ball. Maybe it's a few years old, has 200+ games on it, and it's never been cleaned or resurfaced. It could be the reason the boyfriend is inquiring about something new.
So many questions, so few answers. :)
-
Haha yeah, some extra information would help out quite a bit!
-
I am 67 years old, have low revs, but medium ball speed ( 17 at arrows ). I cant find a pattern shorter than 47 feet where I can get the ball to skid at the head pin even if I tried. Possibly some people who throw a low track spinner might be able to skid the ball at the back end on todays conditions, but even with carrydown it would be rare.
-
Well she does have some side rotation. I guess I should have said that in the beginning. She started wearing a wrist support the other day which helps a lot. Ball speed in league last night was about 14 mph. She wants a ball that hooks a few more boards than the byte
-
I am 67 years old, have low revs, but medium ball speed ( 17 at arrows ). I cant find a pattern shorter than 47 feet where I can get the ball to skid at the head pin even if I tried. Possibly some people who throw a low track spinner might be able to skid the ball at the back end on todays conditions, but even with carrydown it would be rare.
Bob, I can't speak to what you see. But not all lanes are completely stripped and re-oiled with the same frequency.
I frequently bowl at two houses that apply fill patterns several times a week. They completely strip and re-oil before the 5-person mixed 6:00pm handicap leagues. The leagues are followed by "Student Nights" and other specials. You can imagine the nightmare of carry down and oil pushed in every direction by the end of the night. Instead of a strip/re-oil the next morning, they run a fill pattern in the heads and mids. The result? Most bowlers hardly get a wrinkle to the pin deck. They do this to satisfy the low-rev/low-speed daytime seniors who want the ball to go where they throw it.
I like to seek out the mornings when I know this condition exists. It makes for great practice for conditions that demand you square up.
Otherwise, we're in agreement on how balls should react with fresh backends. A "hook monster" shouldn't be required.
-
It's important to determine why the ball is reacting the way it is. At times, especially
during late league sessions, there is a significant amount of "burn" in the pattern.
A strong ball will often roll-out very quickly and give the impression that the ball
is not "hooking", when in fact it is. It is simply hooking much too early. It's important
to watch your ball's reaction to determine why the ball is behaving the way it is.
As for carry down, many articles have been recently written stating that carry down
is simply a phenomena that no longer exists--given the large absorption rates of
today's balls, coupled with the higher rev rates that are becoming increasingly more common. There is some truth to this, however make no mistake, carry down indeed
still exists. You will definitely find it on lanes following an open bowling session just occurred--- where house (plastic) balls were used. You will also find it with certain lane oils and (lane surface) combinations. For example, I bowl in a classic trios league
(late league). We follow an earlier classic league. We bowl on HPL9000 surfaces, with a 41 ft THS. Last year, the house used Infinity oil. This year, they switched to Kegel
Ice. The difference was profound. There is much more carry down this year compared to last. The result? Most of the better strokers are struggling, whereas
the power players are seeing their scoring paces surge. Also, the proliferation of power players has resulted in more oil being pushed horizontally.
It has been a challenge for the straighties in trying to find the right combination
of ball selection, surface/drill angles, hand position and lane angles to try and minimize the sudden surge of 5-7's, 8-10's. It's a challenge because it takes
some of us out of our comfort zone, but that's what bowling is all about.
I'll offer this as a final comment. There is nothing better that having some "hand".
For those of you who got it, I'll gladly give up a few months of paychecks to get some of it---lol! Maybe in my next life.