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Title: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: SVstar34 on October 02, 2018, 04:34:10 PM
Brunswick Fearless
Brunswick Tenacity Grit
DV8 Poison
DV8 Pitbull Bark
Radical Conspiracy
Radical Sizzle

Jet Raider X

These are now on the PDF format approved list but their drop down doesn't show any yet. IBB on Facebook got Japanese info for the Fearless and Tenacity

Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: stormed1 on October 02, 2018, 05:25:43 PM
spec sheets    All show pics of the core

Tenacity Grit
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/6376494025ddb31730fed7ac5/files/6c47658e-d846-4ace-95d5-fb472131b5c0/TENACITY_GRIT.pdf

Fearless
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/6376494025ddb31730fed7ac5/files/7696aacb-2d37-4f83-a3b6-2ae23aa4c696/FEARLESS.pdf

Pitbull Bark
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/6376494025ddb31730fed7ac5/files/c2975c36-e596-4b35-a903-52171347e479/PITBULL_BARK.pdf

Poison
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/6376494025ddb31730fed7ac5/files/f5d2f366-b276-4ce2-8173-865c0b43ed78/POISON.pdf

Conspiracy
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/6376494025ddb31730fed7ac5/files/8a3f98fe-c11b-40dd-bf36-9bc1c43561c5/CONSPIRACY.pdf

Sizzle
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/6376494025ddb31730fed7ac5/files/9c60959c-4c4d-482c-a5cc-e8d4420dba8a/SIZZLE.pdf

Vintage Vapor Zone
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/6376494025ddb31730fed7ac5/files/1ab1f9ac-0ee9-4f3a-ada7-4c167a497c1b/VINTAGE_VAPOR_ZONE.pdf
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: bowlingman817 on October 02, 2018, 05:26:59 PM
Buddies has them all on their website
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: SVstar34 on October 02, 2018, 05:48:07 PM
For as ugly as the Poison is, it has my name written all over it. Got to pair the yellow with the green Melee Cross

Vapor Zone.
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: sneaky PETE on October 02, 2018, 06:02:21 PM
the cover name for the tenacity grit makes me think particle ball
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: bowler001 on October 02, 2018, 06:14:06 PM
For as ugly as the Poison is, it has my name written all over it. Got to pair the yellow with the green Melee Cross

Something also worth noting on the Poison is the two-piece construction! That's a lot of yellow shell!
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: tunaman4u2 on October 02, 2018, 07:04:12 PM
YAWN

I was hoping for something motion wise like the BTU pearl or a Motiv Rebel tank for short & light oil. Something designed to play straight without polish that isnt pure urethane. High rev players need stuff thats not gonna jump off the spot or needs flooded sport patterns.

The new balls seem like they are going to get a similar motion to something that is already out there from their own lineups let alone the whole market.

At the moment theres nothing like the BTU pearl or Motiv Rebel Tank in any lineup. The Twist, the weakest ball in all 3 brands, is still stronger than these.

Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: Impending Doom on October 02, 2018, 08:32:50 PM
YAWN

I was hoping for something motion wise like the BTU pearl or a Motiv Rebel tank for short & light oil. Something designed to play straight without polish that isnt pure urethane. High rev players need stuff thats not gonna jump off the spot or needs flooded sport patterns.

The new balls seem like they are going to get a similar motion to something that is already out there from their own lineups let alone the whole market.

At the moment theres nothing like the BTU pearl or Motiv Rebel Tank in any lineup. The Twist, the weakest ball in all 3 brands, is still stronger than these.


CoughShadowOpsCough
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: tunaman4u2 on October 02, 2018, 08:40:42 PM
YAWN

I was hoping for something motion wise like the BTU pearl or a Motiv Rebel tank for short & light oil. Something designed to play straight without polish that isnt pure urethane. High rev players need stuff thats not gonna jump off the spot or needs flooded sport patterns.

The new balls seem like they are going to get a similar motion to something that is already out there from their own lineups let alone the whole market.

At the moment theres nothing like the BTU pearl or Motiv Rebel Tank in any lineup. The Twist, the weakest ball in all 3 brands, is still stronger than these.


CoughShadowOpsCough

Actually thats not a bad option. 1000 grit a bit high, odd choice, BTU is 4000. I wonder if that would out hook the BTU.
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: DP3 on October 03, 2018, 06:29:06 AM
That yellow two piece ball is gonna be sexy
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: suhoney24 on October 03, 2018, 10:48:15 AM
Definitely interested in the poison
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: milorafferty on October 03, 2018, 11:16:06 AM
I'm not a Big B guy, but I will probably grab a Vapor Zone. That thing kicked my ass in a few different peoples hands.
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: tkkshop on October 03, 2018, 11:29:48 AM
Eh, anyone else see Brunswick's new DOT stuff? Looks like no pins and a pre marked drilling area to decrease balls cracking. will the drill sheet be called, "Drilling for Dummies?"
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: billdozer on October 03, 2018, 01:03:20 PM
Definitely interested in the poison

Honey badger cough cough...
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: suhoney24 on October 03, 2018, 02:34:34 PM
Definitely interested in the poison

Honey badger cough cough...
Already have one... Would there be overlap then?
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: notclay on October 03, 2018, 02:48:30 PM
Eh, anyone else see Brunswick's new DOT stuff? Looks like no pins and a pre marked drilling area to decrease balls cracking. will the drill sheet be called, "Drilling for Dummies?"

Drill whatever angle you want without hitting the pin or getting close enough to void the warranty.  Sounds like this technology is long overdue.  And the 4 year warranty is also impressive. 

If the Vintage Vapor Zone is like the original I'm pumped!  I might buy an extra to have forever.   Definitely one of the best balls I've ever used.


Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: tkkshop on October 03, 2018, 03:16:51 PM
Eh, anyone else see Brunswick's new DOT stuff? Looks like no pins and a pre marked drilling area to decrease balls cracking. will the drill sheet be called, "Drilling for Dummies?"

Drill whatever angle you want without hitting the pin or getting close enough to void the warranty.  Sounds like this technology is long overdue.  And the 4 year warranty is also impressive. 

If the Vintage Vapor Zone is like the original I'm pumped!  I might buy an extra to have forever.   Definitely one of the best balls I've ever used.
I'm not knocking it. In Mo's hour long video in another thread, he mentions that us drillers have to become smarter with layouts and such since we only get once chance to give the bowler their desired reaction. This is because we can no longer just slap a hole in the ball to enhance ball reaction. So what does Brunswick do? Try to make it easier to drill balls for the customer.
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: notclay on October 03, 2018, 03:26:55 PM
tkkshop,

I think both points are valid.  The pro shop, since x-holes will be gone in 2020, will need to be mindful of how their customer really rolls the ball, and if that customer needs or want different drill angles there are no limitations due to warranty concerns.


Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: bowler001 on October 03, 2018, 05:45:24 PM
Eh, anyone else see Brunswick's new DOT stuff? Looks like no pins and a pre marked drilling area to decrease balls cracking. will the drill sheet be called, "Drilling for Dummies?"

Drill whatever angle you want without hitting the pin or getting close enough to void the warranty.  Sounds like this technology is long overdue.  And the 4 year warranty is also impressive. 

If the Vintage Vapor Zone is like the original I'm pumped!  I might buy an extra to have forever.   Definitely one of the best balls I've ever used.
I'm not knocking it. In Mo's hour long video in another thread, he mentions that us drillers have to become smarter with layouts and such since we only get once chance to give the bowler their desired reaction. This is because we can no longer just slap a hole in the ball to enhance ball reaction. So what does Brunswick do? Try to make it easier to drill balls for the customer.

its simply a manufacturing change to move the physical pin to the bottom of the ball and replace it with an engraving on the top side. The engraving will now act as the "pin" when it comes to laying the ball out. This doesn't have anything to do with simplifying or complicating layout technology. I would even argue it actually allows a PSO to be more precise to the desired layout numbers since they can now place the engraved mark nearer to the drilled holes, and even drill partially through it if that's where it falls.
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: tkkshop on October 03, 2018, 06:51:13 PM
Bowler001,

Not sure how I came across, but I wasnt in need of an explanation. It's a gimmick to "make things easier." It will not affect me or my shop. Hope it helps those who still use B. I'd be interested to see how long it takes Radical to try this.
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: bowler001 on October 03, 2018, 07:11:34 PM
Bowler001,

Not sure how I came across, but I wasnt in need of an explanation. It's a gimmick to "make things easier." It will not affect me or my shop. Hope it helps those who still use B. I'd be interested to see how long it takes Radical to try this.

I guess I'm just not sure why changing a manufacturing process to make a ball more durable would relate to what Mo said or make what Mo said any less applicable. Maybe I'm confused, but how is the process and methods to layout a ball affected by this?

As for Radical joining in, looks like at least one new DV8 ball is seeing Dynamicore with these releases, so maybe expo releases next year, DOT will start hitting the other brands.

I do see there being some confusion by PSOs that don't stay super current, and accidentally drilling balls upside down, so I imagine they will color the pin to match the ball better so its less noticeable on the bottom. Im interested to see the DOT in pictures/person and see just how clear it is that its the new "pin".
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: Juggernaut on October 03, 2018, 09:31:39 PM
 I’m just surprised they called it DOT technology, given that C300 made those “DOT” balls for years.

 White Dot, Blue Dot, Yellow Dot, Red Dot, .............


 So many other things they could’ve called it, yet they chose DOT technology.

Durability Optimization Technology.    Gotta love it.
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: bowling4burgers on October 03, 2018, 10:20:21 PM
I’m just surprised they called it DOT technology, given that C300 made those “DOT” balls for years.

 White Dot, Blue Dot, Yellow Dot, Red Dot, .............


 So many other things they could’ve called it, yet they chose DOT technology.

Durability Optimization Technology.    Gotta love it.
Now for the fun part: Give you one guess where the pin actually is located on my Blue Dot.
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: billdozer on October 04, 2018, 01:09:30 AM
Definitely interested in the poison

Honey badger cough cough...
Already have one... Would there be overlap then?

Oh idk...

I just saw...

Where they're the same-"To me"
-Both fall on the yellow primary color scale
-Both have all cover and core, no filler
-Tall slim core shape
-2.56 vs 2.57 rg
-MB .008 vs .001

Where they're different
-.041 vs .054 diff
-4000 grit plus polish vs 500/1500 sanded
-Pearl cover vs ???? Solid cover???? ( Big b has stopped marketing solid, Pearl etc


To me...same ball
 
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: bowler001 on October 04, 2018, 11:38:00 AM

Oh idk...

I just saw...

Where they're the same-"To me"
-Both fall on the yellow primary color scale
-Both have all cover and core, no filler
-Tall slim core shape
-2.56 vs 2.57 rg
-MB .008 vs .001

Where they're different
-.041 vs .054 diff
-4000 grit plus polish vs 500/1500 sanded
-Pearl cover vs ???? Solid cover???? ( Big b has stopped marketing solid, Pearl etc


To me...same ball
 

mildly asymmetric shiny pearl

vs

dull symmetric heavy oil ball

but gold and yellow are similar colors so they're just alike. LOL.
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: billdozer on October 04, 2018, 01:29:28 PM

Oh idk...

I just saw...

Where they're the same-"To me"
-Both fall on the yellow primary color scale
-Both have all cover and core, no filler
-Tall slim core shape
-2.56 vs 2.57 rg
-MB .008 vs .001

Where they're different
-.041 vs .054 diff
-4000 grit plus polish vs 500/1500 sanded
-Pearl cover vs ???? Solid cover???? ( Big b has stopped marketing solid, Pearl etc


To me...same ball
 

mildly asymmetric shiny pearl

vs

dull symmetric heavy oil ball

but gold and yellow are similar colors so they're just alike. LOL.

Ok, color change, and resin base change. Pearl in 90 days following up the first release! 😂😂

If you can't see it, you're daft. These companies copy cat each other to the max.
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: bowler001 on October 04, 2018, 02:02:42 PM


Ok, color change, and resin base change. Pearl in 90 days following up the first release! 😂😂

If you can't see it, you're daft. These companies copy cat each other to the max.

Never said anything about whether or not companies copycat eachother so not sure how that is relevant. The HB was not the first two piece ball. LOL. Its nearly impossible to have unique ideas in this industry anymore. We all know that.

The point is, you're claiming the balls are "same ball"...and they're not. If a PSO recommended those two as comparable, most in this forum would find that laughable. You probably would too.

We all know surface is most determining factor of ball motion...ok...so one is 1500 dull, the other is polished. Then coverstock absorption is also one of the most contributing factors so heres a solid heavy oil cover versus a medium/dry pearl cover (based on manufacturers recommended conditions). Then they would say well differential is next most contributing factor...and again, not similar at .041 vs .054.

But things that don't have a large impact on reaction, like color (which im not sure why you think gold and neon yellow are comparable?) and 2 piece construction are similar. So that makes the WHOLE concept of the ball the same? If that's the case, almost every ball on the market is as you said "same ball" because you can find similarities in every single ball out there.

Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: billdozer on October 04, 2018, 02:08:33 PM
Ok I take it all back, you are so right Mr sir.

This is not a HB rip off, based on your information provided you have to be the whizziest guy ever. Thanks for all the info. 

P.s. Can't wait for the position Pearl in 90 days after release!
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: batbowler on October 16, 2018, 09:02:49 PM
The 14lb DV8 Poison vs 14lb HB is not even close with the diff.! I guess it's whether you like one company over the other! Just my $.02, Bruce
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: billdozer on October 17, 2018, 06:51:12 AM
The 14lb DV8 Poison vs 14lb HB is not even close with the diff.! I guess it's whether you like one company over the other! Just my $.02, Bruce

You're right, i just rolled my eyes when I saw a tall core with all cover like the HB. Even though Brunswick already brought back the quantum's...
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: JazlarVonSteich on October 17, 2018, 09:29:49 AM
The 14lb DV8 Poison vs 14lb HB is not even close with the diff.! I guess it's whether you like one company over the other! Just my $.02, Bruce

I agree. This ball looks to be way more ball than the HB - regardless of weight, but especially at 14lbs. I liked my HB, but it was ultimately too over/under for me. I ended up selling it to a friend since he kept saying he'd buy it if I ever got rid of it. I also have my Badger for sale. Ever worse than the HB with over/under. I tried different surfaces on both.

I might check this ball out. High RG and medium/high diff at 14lbs looks like a winner to me.
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: BeerLeague on November 08, 2018, 02:39:20 PM
Brunswick sure needs to do something different .... I used to be all about the Big B when it was the Infernos, Assm Zones, and the BVP stuff.  I couldn't ask for better equipment.

It seemed every ball I drilled after that series got progressively worse with 3 exceptions.  The Anaconda, Ultra Zone, and the red/black Nexxus were good for me.  The rest sucked.  C-Systems, Furys, ..... I gave up.

Out of curiosity I recently tried a Blue Flame Inferno (very good) and a Jade Quantum ( I should have got a free bowl of soup instead of a free bag with that one).  The Inferno was great but still going back to the heyday and no better than say a Storm SonIQ or Marvel Pearl. 

I will get a new Vapor Zone as I kept my original was past its expiration date.  GREAT BALL ... I hope the new one is as good.
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: SVstar34 on November 08, 2018, 03:17:04 PM
Brunswick sure needs to do something different .... I used to be all about the Big B when it was the Infernos, Assm Zones, and the BVP stuff.  I couldn't ask for better equipment.

It seemed every ball I drilled after that series got progressively worse with 3 exceptions.  The Anaconda, Ultra Zone, and the red/black Nexxus were good for me.  The rest sucked.  C-Systems, Furys, ..... I gave up.

Out of curiosity I recently tried a Blue Flame Inferno (very good) and a Jade Quantum ( I should have got a free bowl of soup instead of a free bag with that one).  The Inferno was great but still going back to the heyday and no better than say a Storm SonIQ or Marvel Pearl. 

I will get a new Vapor Zone as I kept my original was past its expiration date.  GREAT BALL ... I hope the new one is as good.

Reading through what you said, I think the Vapor Zone will be a good choice for you. With the balls that you have liked, I'd also suggest looking at the Cutting Edge Solid or Edge Pearl if you can find one.

Brunswick has changed quite a bit in the past few years. A lot of good stuff
Title: Re: New Big B brands and a company comeback
Post by: CoorZero on November 08, 2018, 07:05:22 PM
Yeah. Brunswick went through a pretty bad lull there for a while but their stuff (DV8 included) is good again. Like everybody else's. They slash and burn pretty quick though so you can find some nice closeout pricing most of the time on fairly recent releases.