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9andaWiggle

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A question, which could hurt pro shops even more
« on: August 06, 2007, 02:43:33 AM »
While reading another argument about online vs proshops, it seems that most of the people doing the complaining about prices are buying in excess of 2 balls per year - thus looking for discounts to lessen the hits on their pocketbook.  Therefore, I wonder why they don't just learn to drill their own equipment?  Seems to me that for $50 a drill, it would only take some of these people 3-4 years to recoup their investment if they could find some good, used drilling equpment to buy.  Especially considering they could buy thier grips and slugs online as well for at least half of what the pro shops charge.

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Re: A question, which could hurt pro shops even more
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2007, 04:02:32 PM »
honestly, if i had the moeny to get a nice setup at my house, and then took the classes for drilling, i would probably do it, just for the pure enjoyment of it, would make it easy and cheaper to try different pitches and different drills on balls to see how the different layouts changes the reaction, i think it would be fun, and like i said, if i ever have the money to buy the stuff and take the classes to drill them correctly i will probably buy my own press
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Re: A question, which could hurt pro shops even more
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2007, 05:14:31 PM »
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scotts33 - yes, I did break down and buy a kaufman scale. Not because I felt I needed one, but I was interested in how they work and I felt like a got a good deal. At $600-700 for a used one, it was the most expensive piece of equipment.


Good for you gstick777.  I applaud you for making the investment and understanding how to weigh a ball correctly w/ layout.  I think getting a scale and using it correctly is even lost on some pro shop operators....also why you see some folks at Natl's with balls that look like swiss cheese.  Way to go!
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Re: A question, which could hurt pro shops even more
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2007, 02:34:30 PM »
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I was taught by a pro bowler with National titles and have been drilling for 13 years. Guys, stop acting like it is hard to drill balls. When you have the ball picked out and slugged for drilling it should only take 15 to 20 minutes to fit and drill a ball. I didnt say watch the person bowl, then pick the ball, then slug it, then fit and drill. People, please try to read the post before replying. I love it when the pro shop guys act like drilling a ball is really tough,lol, makes me laugh.



thewatcher,
i can't speak for the others,  but i do believe that we meant by the term,  drilling a ball,  the complete process.

picking out the ball with the customer, fitting them,  laying out the ball,
drilling the ball,  installing inserts and balancing the ball,  adjusting the ball,  and informing the customer how to adjust or tweak the coverstock, and how to clean the ball.

but you are right,  the actual time for drilling the holes and installing inserts may be 15-20 minutes.  
i think we may have misunderstood what you meant.  it sounded like you felt the entire process of selling and drilling and adjusting the ball was a 15 minute thing.

and we probably felt that the whole process takes more time.

sorry for any misunderstanding.
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Re: A question, which could hurt pro shops even more
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2007, 04:19:03 PM »
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I dont try to make money guys, I just try to help people out who dont want to pay $230 for a ball. Also in regard to your comments that I dont fit people well, I actually get many balls from hack pro shops to refit. One guy couldnt even put his thumb in all the way,lol. He must have gone to a "real pro shop". Remeber, I have 2 national pba titles in my family and we have always owned bowling centers. I was routing plug off balls when I was 15. My fitting and drilling skills are far superior than most of you on this site.



the watcher,

well i don't know you or care to know you,  so i don't know just how good your skills are.
however it is clear that your ego is huge.

are you related to mike.

how can the bowling business be big enough for the both of you.
because you both feel you are simply the best, and all the rest are below you.

i love your profile,  "i am better then you"

ya,  your a class act.

you are a perfect example of why one should not bother to read profiles.

because people like you tend to write a lot of B.S. in them.

now go get your friends like mike does, and have them come on and say nice things about you.

because i am sure you feel that we will actually believe that.

and if that works for you.  then we will be happy for you.

but seriouly,  i think you are full of crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and i doublt you really know anything about ball drilling.
i believe that "drill 99% " statement sums you up best.

you are what is known as a "HOLE POUNDER"

NOT A BALL DRILLER.  
and you give real ball drillers a bad name.

BE GONE LOSER BOY.
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williewc

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Re: A question, which could hurt pro shops even more
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2007, 04:51:13 PM »
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Someone with a 706 high series and probably 195 -205 average should not be worried about pap. You have been brainwashed. Instead of worryiong about pap why dont you practice and get better. You are the typical hack 200 bowler I cant stand.


thats the PM i got from him

so because im a 197 average bowler i shouldnt get a proper drill? drilling from someones PAP is the ONLY real way to drill a ball now days, get over yourself, ive only been bowling for 4 years so i think im doing pretty well

and if being a 230+ average bowler means i have to act like you then i pray i stay where im at, egotistacal jerks like you are what ruin the sport of bowling, i mean if your so good, post your name on the forums, someone that is godlike like you think you are, then im sure your name has to be all over the PBA site and all over the internet
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Re: A question, which could hurt pro shops even more
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2007, 05:05:13 PM »
actually, fitting the ball becomes pretty darn easy once you've had one done.  You can take your measurements right of an old ball and drill.  Many pro-shops do this, so they only really fit new bowlers, or if a bowler has an issue.  They also keep the measurements on file for regulars.  As a result, they can punch out the balls much quicker.
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Re: A question, which could hurt pro shops even more
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2007, 05:07:08 PM »
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Someone with a 706 high series and probably 195 -205 average should not be worried about pap. You have been brainwashed. Instead of worryiong about pap why dont you practice and get better. You are the typical hack 200 bowler I cant stand.


thats the PM i got from him

so because im a 197 average bowler i shouldnt get a proper drill? drilling from someones PAP is the ONLY real way to drill a ball now days, get over yourself, ive only been bowling for 4 years so i think im doing pretty well

and if being a 230+ average bowler means i have to act like you then i pray i stay where im at, egotistacal jerks like you are what ruin the sport of bowling, i mean if your so good, post your name on the forums, someone that is godlike like you think you are, then im sure your name has to be all over the PBA site and all over the internet
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will,

i am assuming you mean from "thewatcher"

he sounds like a typical under 30,  220 average know it all hot dog.
you know the type,  the ones that give the 10 pin the salute at the foul line.
the ones that bang the ball return after each and every bad shot. the ones that drop their balls after another nite of bad bowling.
and then complain that their balls cracked.

the only reason hotdogs like this exist, is that todays owners only care about beer sales.  and as long as the under 30 crowd drinks more beer,  the owners put up with their crap.

and then people like "bowl" want to know why bowling is down.

i love his crack about your a 200 type bowler.  of course this hotdog bowls on  
a shot that probably gives new meaning to the word "area".  and he probably thinks he bowls on oil.

15-20 years ago this hot dog and his type would be a 180 bowler at best.

and i especially love his comment about drilling 99% of all balls label.

yes this guy is the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HE'S A HOLE POUNDER.

not a ball driller.
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Edited on 8/7/2007 5:12 PM
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