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thedjs

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New Rules Question
« on: July 03, 2019, 04:41:14 PM »
From what I understand, as of August 1 of this year you can only clean your ball with a dry rag or towel.  In my house that's going to be a real problem because many times some black stuff (rubber or something like that) gets all over the ball after about one game.  A dry towel will not get it off.  It can affect the way the ball rolls and will even stick to your hands.  (I don't think your hands are covered by the new rule)

My question is, can a league vote to over-ride this rule and allow bowlers to clean their balls with something like alcohol when this happens.  Or do you have to get approval from the league officers each time that it occurs (which can be a real problem when you're on 30 and they are on 1.)   Any ideas would be appreciated. 

 

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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2019, 10:26:52 AM »
This dry towel rule is nothing compared to the recent suspension of the three-unit rule and centers no longer needing to submit annual lane dressing inspection reports.
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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2019, 02:09:24 PM »
This dry towel rule is nothing compared to the recent suspension of the three-unit rule and centers no longer needing to submit annual lane dressing inspection reports.

I agree, but there are ALOT of centers that are below 3 units on the gutter even with the rule in place, but jack the pump pressure up for when they get checked, and miraculously are at 3 units. That, or they push a different button when being checked.
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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2019, 04:51:17 PM »
Shot is easier for most of us with 3 units rather than with less.  Rule wasn't accomplishing anything anyway.  Also, ratios dont mean anything with todays high volumes.  When you are putting 4 or more loads out 2 to 2, you get an out of bounds regardlees of the ratio.  Easier to blow a hole in the pattern outside, but that is about it.

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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2019, 12:44:06 PM »
USBC essentially claims that today's equipment causes huge variations in lane conditions [which is true to some extent], so they throw up their hands and suspend the 3 unit rule.

How long before they simply bring equipment totally out of the equation, and basically say "Bowling balls used in USBC sanctioned competition may only have a polyester or non-reactive urethane coverstock, with a before drilled RG of 2.55-2.60, and differential of .001-.020.  Surface roughness must be at 3000 abralon or equivalent when new, and no surface alterations may ever be done outside of normal wear and tear from lane use."
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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2019, 01:00:47 PM »
Actually I would like to play in that environment assuming oil volumes would be scaled back.  I averaged 215 with polyester in the 70s. Not expecting it would ever happen,  but you could put out various patterns at different lengths that would have to be played the way the pattern was designed. Not just blown up with sponge balls. 

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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2019, 05:28:32 PM »
Actually I would like to play in that environment assuming oil volumes would be scaled back.  I averaged 215 with polyester in the 70s. Not expecting it would ever happen,  but you could put out various patterns at different lengths that would have to be played the way the pattern was designed. Not just blown up with sponge balls. 

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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2019, 09:51:31 PM »
Actually I had most of my success during the high scoring resin era but I do plead guilty to being over the hill.  I would love to go back and bowl on lacquer with rubber and plastic balls, knowing what I know now

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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2019, 07:59:27 PM »
i think people seem to be concerned with the wrong thing here, a case of not seeing the forest for the trees.  in this extreme case of a ball being covered in gunk, why are we concerned about a ball cleaner rule, shouldn't the outrage be directed at the fact that the bowling center is in such disrepair that it happens in the first place?  and it really isn't like ball cleaner can get all the marks out anyways, there are plenty of marks i've seen that would need acetone to get out.

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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2019, 12:26:46 AM »
shouldn't the outrage be directed at the fact that the bowling center is in such disrepair that it happens in the first place? 

Yeah with how incredibly lucrative the USBC has made bowling I mean this should never happen.  Pretty sad when Bowlero can put up pots the USBC and PBA could only dream about still only a tiny fraction of what golf puts up weekly.
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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2019, 11:02:52 AM »
Every bowling center I have ever bowled in had returns that either damaged my bowling balls or returned them with grease or waxy residue.  It is just a byproduct of heavy objects being handled by a machine with gears, belts, and pullies.

The USBC has simply decided that the current equipment is the "problem" and is focusing their attention on it.  Dry towels only, no balance holes, coverstock absorption rate limits, blah blah blah.  The balls are blowing up patterns, so why bother strictly enforcing patterns now?

Bowlers are then forced to self govern and enforce the rules amongst each other.  "Hey you can't use a wet towel!". "Hey, your ball can't have that extra hole!" "Hey no thumb bowler, you can't have a ball with a thumbhole and not put your thumb in it!" "Hey no thumb bowler where is the mark showing center of grip on your ball?". "Hey you didn't have all of your fingers in your gripping holes when you picked up that spare!"

Typical response from bowlers? "I will do what I want...mind your own &$#@ business!"

It's just getting to be a bit much and encouraging the proliferation of unsanctioned leagues.
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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2019, 03:31:00 PM »
Every bowling center I have ever bowled in had returns that either damaged my bowling balls or returned them with grease or waxy residue.  It is just a byproduct of heavy objects being handled by a machine with gears, belts, and pullies.

The USBC has simply decided that the current equipment is the "problem" and is focusing their attention on it.  Dry towels only, no balance holes, coverstock absorption rate limits, blah blah blah.  The balls are blowing up patterns, so why bother strictly enforcing patterns now?

Bowlers are then forced to self govern and enforce the rules amongst each other.  "Hey you can't use a wet towel!". "Hey, your ball can't have that extra hole!" "Hey no thumb bowler, you can't have a ball with a thumbhole and not put your thumb in it!" "Hey no thumb bowler where is the mark showing center of grip on your ball?". "Hey you didn't have all of your fingers in your gripping holes when you picked up that spare!"

Typical response from bowlers? "I will do what I want...mind your own &$#@ business!"

It's just getting to be a bit much and encouraging the proliferation of unsanctioned leagues.

Yup! You are correct! And the unsanctioned leagues are definitely on their way!

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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2019, 03:44:46 PM »
Every bowling center I have ever bowled in had returns that either damaged my bowling balls or returned them with grease or waxy residue.  It is just a byproduct of heavy objects being handled by a machine with gears, belts, and pullies.

The USBC has simply decided that the current equipment is the "problem" and is focusing their attention on it.  Dry towels only, no balance holes, coverstock absorption rate limits, blah blah blah.  The balls are blowing up patterns, so why bother strictly enforcing patterns now?

Bowlers are then forced to self govern and enforce the rules amongst each other.  "Hey you can't use a wet towel!". "Hey, your ball can't have that extra hole!" "Hey no thumb bowler, you can't have a ball with a thumbhole and not put your thumb in it!" "Hey no thumb bowler where is the mark showing center of grip on your ball?". "Hey you didn't have all of your fingers in your gripping holes when you picked up that spare!"

Typical response from bowlers? "I will do what I want...mind your own &$#@ business!"

It's just getting to be a bit much and encouraging the proliferation of unsanctioned leagues.

Yup! You are correct! And the unsanctioned leagues are definitely on their way!

At least in my neck of the woods!

Cheaper too.  If you are bowling league just for fun bit of a no brainer.
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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2019, 05:33:15 PM »
Every bowling center I have ever bowled in had returns that either damaged my bowling balls or returned them with grease or waxy residue.  It is just a byproduct of heavy objects being handled by a machine with gears, belts, and pullies.

The USBC has simply decided that the current equipment is the "problem" and is focusing their attention on it.  Dry towels only, no balance holes, coverstock absorption rate limits, blah blah blah.  The balls are blowing up patterns, so why bother strictly enforcing patterns now?

Bowlers are then forced to self govern and enforce the rules amongst each other.  "Hey you can't use a wet towel!". "Hey, your ball can't have that extra hole!" "Hey no thumb bowler, you can't have a ball with a thumbhole and not put your thumb in it!" "Hey no thumb bowler where is the mark showing center of grip on your ball?". "Hey you didn't have all of your fingers in your gripping holes when you picked up that spare!"

Typical response from bowlers? "I will do what I want...mind your own &$#@ business!"

It's just getting to be a bit much and encouraging the proliferation of unsanctioned leagues.

Yup! You are correct! And the unsanctioned leagues are definitely on their way!

At least in my neck of the woods!

Cheaper too.  If you are bowling league just for fun bit of a no brainer.

Where I bowl, the biggest bite out of our league fees (over a 30 week season) is lineage, followed by prize fund, then secretary fee, and lastly USBC sanction fee.

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Re: New Rules Question
« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2019, 05:19:16 PM »
correct me if i'm wrong but isn't going unsanctioned a bad idea simply because the prize fund is no longer protected?  doesn't USBC protect the prize fund?  i don't really see the rules changes as a problem what i see a a bigger problem is the lack of communication at the local levels.

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« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2019, 06:06:45 PM »
correct me if i'm wrong but isn't going unsanctioned a bad idea simply because the prize fund is no longer protected?  doesn't USBC protect the prize fund?  i don't really see the rules changes as a problem what i see a a bigger problem is the lack of communication at the local levels.

Yes the USBC does offer bonding and if you go uncertified you lose that bonding and what few awards the usbc gives out.

If the league wants bonding then the sec/trea would need to get bonded (which they most likely won't) or use in house banking if it offers protection. Though you got to watch out if the house closes the league could lose it's money (its happened theres a old thread telling about it.)

The thing about going uncertified is the leagues wind up still using the USBC rules anyway, at most just maybe making one or two minor rule changes.

Plus a big part (if not all) of the players still get their USBC cards anyway because they bowl in other leagues/tournaments that are certified and their equipment will still meet USBC rules to be able to be used in those.

So going uncertified doesn't really do much, just save you the price of one meal at a restaurant and let you be able to say hey we're sticking it to the USBC. While you lose the free bonding and awards.

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