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ITZPS

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New Scoring System
« on: January 26, 2015, 09:21:41 AM »
I've done a lot of thinking about this and let's look at it from both sides. With the new system, every frame is essentially a game, you just have to win it, no matter how pretty or ugly it is. I DON'T like that it doesn't really include spares, but at the same time, the name of the game is and has always been knocking them all down on the first try. The good thing about this system is that one bad shot won't ruin your game, just like why tournaments have longer formats so one bad game won't necessarily knock you out of it. It also is very easy for newbies to the sport to catch up or figure out the scoring, which I think will be good for international or Olympic competition, but obviously just head to head. Plus this system should make games go down to the wire more often than not. Instead of one person getting a big lead and then just playing defense by getting on cruise control and hitting the pocket and picking up spares, they are required to keep their foot on the pedal the whole game.

There are a few things broken with the traditional system. Is it really fair for someone who goes front 7, stone 8, sheet to lose to someone who goes through the nose and leaves a 6-10, picks up the spare, then rolls the next 10 and finishes with a big 4 to win the game? Shouldn't the winner be the person who threw the most strikes? I suppose I've never really liked the traditional scoring system to begin with. Every night your score doesn't depend on the overall quality of your shots, it just depends on where your misses were. If you throw 30 strikes in a night, with the other 6 being 9 counts, assuming you make the spares if applicable, you could either shoot a 258 triplicate for 774 or a 289 triplicate for 867. But shouldn't your score be more dependent on how good you played rather than where everything fell? It would be like giving bonus strokes for consecutive pars or birdies or something. Unless I'm mistaken, this sport is the only one that gives a bonus just because you did something several times in a row.

Can you imagine on the PGA tour if somebody gets off on a hot streak to start their day and has 5 consecutive birdies and gets say an additional 2 strokes dropped off their score per hole for that? Then another guy birdies every other hole and actually ends the round with more birdies, but loses just because they weren't all in a row? That sounds pretty ridiculous to me. But that's the way it is, and that's what everybody is used to.

I think it needs a few adjustments, but I actually like the new system better. I don't like that the first ball is all that matters, I think spares need to be shot every frame. If they both throw a 9 count, they need to shoot the spare to tie the frame. In my mind, if someone goes 8/, they should win the frame over someone that goes 9-0. However, that also doesn't make the first shot very important, it shouldn't be ALL about spares. If nobody is ever trying to strike, just get good count and pick up the spare, you most likely wouldn't have that occasional 7 count. It would make it more like No Tap. It's a lot different game if you're just trying to get 9 instead of trying to get a strike.

So in the first match, did Sandra really bowl better than Liz? I think Liz won the game fair and square. I don't know what the traditional scoring number would have been, but we forget Sandra went 8-10, washout the last two frames before the extra one.

If you read this article on the PBA website, the players have some extremely good points. http://news.pba.com/post/2015/1/25/K...-Unveiled.aspx I feel the same way they do. I think it was more exciting for me than the traditional scoring, it keeps you honest longer, and it makes the matches more closely contested. The person who wins the most frames should win the game every time, period. I still think spares should be included to some capacity, I like my suggestion of course, but does anybody else have a better idea? This new system is actually really good if you think about it. People are more obsessed with scores now than good bowling, and I think that's why people don't like it.
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Re: New Scoring System
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2015, 09:26:25 AM »
Dude, this is the internet.  People don't want to read a book.

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Re: New Scoring System
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2015, 09:54:02 AM »
This is bowling, not golf.
If the bowlers who participated in that jive were to convey their true feelings, they're likely to be fined and face probation or suspension, or all of the above.
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Re: New Scoring System
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2015, 10:27:32 AM »
It is very much like match play in golf.  It has its place, but I wouldn't want to see it as the standard for match play in bowling. 

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Re: New Scoring System
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2015, 10:32:44 AM »
With the new scoring system, a bowler could win even though it would have been a lower traditional score.  Being a good spare shooter has won on many tough patterns. 

Bowler A   X  X  9-  X    9-  X    X   X   X    XXX
Old                                                       235
New        .5 1.5      2        2.5   3   4   5  5.5 6
Bowler B   X  9/  X   X    X   X    X   9/  9/   X9/
Old                                                       238
New        .5     1.5  2    3  3.5   4            4.5
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Re: New Scoring System
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2015, 10:36:54 AM »
That being said, this new scoring system is all about getting bowling into the Olympics. 

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Re: New Scoring System
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2015, 10:40:21 AM »
Just trying to give it a fair shake from all sides, lots of points to cover. 

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Re: New Scoring System
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2015, 10:59:11 AM »
That being said, this new scoring system is all about getting bowling into the Olympics. 



The scoring system isn't what's keeping bowling out of the Olympics, no matter what they think. If the scoring and rules of a sport like Curling isn't too complex, then bowling isn't.

The fact is, the Olympic Committee doesn't consider bowling a real sport worthy of including.
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Re: New Scoring System
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2015, 11:17:40 AM »
There was an article in BJI that the Olympic future of bowling might rest with the Chinese.  If the Chinese govt thinks that they have a chance to win gold in bowling, it would help.

Actually, there have been many articles about the new scoring system being one key to getting bowling into the Olympics.  The new scoring system was brought by the world bowling assn whatever it's proper name is, to test it out with the Olympics in mind.

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Re: New Scoring System
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2015, 11:24:33 AM »
There was an article in BJI that the Olympic future of bowling might rest with the Chinese.  If the Chinese govt thinks that they have a chance to win gold in bowling, it would help.

Actually, there have been many articles about the new scoring system being one key to getting bowling into the Olympics.  The new scoring system was brought by the world bowling assn whatever it's proper name is, to test it out with the Olympics in mind.



Yes, I've read the same articles, I'm just saying it's not the complexity of the scoring that  is keeping it out of the Olympics.

And I agree that if the Chinese get on board, bowling has a much better chance.
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Re: New Scoring System
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2015, 11:41:18 AM »
My gut feel has always been that the thing keeping bowling out of the Olympics is a perception by the committee that it would be totally dominated by Americans.  I don't really think that has been the case for a few years, so the idea that a few more countries might feel as though they could competed for medals will probably do more than anything.

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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2015, 11:42:55 AM »
Milo, I agree, I was just stating what bowling's governing bodies feel. 

At least bowling has a definitive scoring system, not something that is at the whim of politics, feelings of patriotism, or outright bribery, like diving or figure skating.  Bowling has to be an indoor competition which means a building with climate control, seating, and lanes/machines, all of which would be expensive.  And it has to be either popular or available in most other countries. 

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Re: New Scoring System
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2015, 11:57:11 AM »
I believe the biggest reason bowling is not in the Olympics is that the winner can be determined by the lane condition.

Sure you could not narrow it to an individual but you could eliminate certain styles or a side of the lane.

The current scoring system works well as long as it is not a strikefest.

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Re: New Scoring System
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2015, 12:39:48 PM »
I didn't like the format. The scoring is probably one of the few parts of bowling that isn't broken.  For example:

Person A: Front 5, 7-10 (open), back 6
Person B: Front 5 3-6-10 (spare), back 6

Traditional scoring, "B" wins. New scoring "A" wins because the 8 count trumps the 7 count.

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Re: New Scoring System
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2015, 12:56:00 PM »
Which is why I said spares have to be added to it.  I agree that I don't like the way it currently is, a second shot should be thrown if there are pins left period. 

However, I still disagree about the current traditional scoring.  To me it's extremely broken, but that's just an opinion.  I also still participate and have a lot of fun and the scoring system doesn't change anything to me.  Really doesn't feel any different than having different shots.  On house shots, you gotta strike, on tougher conditions you gotta leave and make easy spares.  Same game, two different approaches and mentalities, just like this alternate scoring method. 

I didn't like the format. The scoring is probably one of the few parts of bowling that isn't broken.  For example:

Person A: Front 5, 7-10 (open), back 6
Person B: Front 5 3-6-10 (spare), back 6

Traditional scoring, "B" wins. New scoring "A" wins because the 8 count trumps the 7 count.
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