Post by: BrianCRX90 on January 11, 2008, 03:37:49 PM
First thing is regarding warm up time. Brunswick seems to have a rule about the amount of practice time. For whatever reason, the only time your aloud to get 15 minutes of practice is you have to have a 5 man team league. If you have a 4 man league team then you only get 10. If you have a 2 man team you get 10. Makes 0 sense to me. I say USBC has it across the board and make it 15 minutes for any sanctioned league.
The second part of this rule is the amount of balls you are aloud to throw when you are warming up. Every league I have been on, if you get a strike you go to the back of the line or to the other lane. If you get less then a strike you get to go again. Big time delays. From now on, USBC should have a ruling just like the PBA and you get to throw one ball no matter what you leave. The next person is not aloud to recycle. Whatever is up there, you shoot at. What is the point of this? To speed things up. I would like to throw more then 3-4 balls in practice if I'm lucky. With this system, I should be able to throw twice that.
Post by: ThongPrincess on January 12, 2008, 12:32:44 AM
The centers around here generally allow between 10 and 15 minutes. The general practice is to bowl one ball and move to the end of the line no matter what the count. Most do not reset, but some do and I agree it slows things down.
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Post by: NicholasE on January 12, 2008, 12:34:51 AM
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Post by: BOWL119 on January 12, 2008, 06:19:34 AM
Another lague I was on you threw one shot on the lane and then stepped on the foul line to rest the pins. You would get plenty of shots doing this and get a good warm up
Another league you shot at what was left by the bowler in front of you. Sometimes you shot at spares and sometimes you shot at a full rack. In the last 2 leagues, you were able to throw more shots rather then wait for the person in front of you to finish.
But if USBC were to implement a rule like you are talking, then tournaments would have to change theirs as well. While it is a good idea in theory, houses and leagues should be the ones to do it. Looking at the USBC, there are alot more things they need to be doing.
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Post by: 1MechEng on January 12, 2008, 07:04:23 AM
I will throw the first ball of the frame at either the 7 or the 10, and then finish the frame with the strike ball. This is important as it lets me test both the strike line as well as the oil encountered for the cross lane spares.
As for the amount of practice time, I think that should be left up to the house. If they can afford to let people shadow bowl for 15 mins., then let them. If you need more time, then try to get there early and bowl a game before league. The only time that practice should be regulated is for tournaments, where consistency from squad to squad is important.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on January 12, 2008, 07:12:33 AM
Some oldier guys on this site are pretty well warmed up at the end of a set...but starting to get tired!
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Post by: Moon57 on January 12, 2008, 07:20:34 AM
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Post by: azguy on January 12, 2008, 07:57:49 AM
Personally it doesn't matter how you do it, our problem is with the time. We get (both leagues) 10 minutes...maybe...so the time is more an issue with me not the one or two ball issue.
It should be the house that controls the time, but I would feel better if USBC would put a min and a max time for warm ups.
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Post by: DON DRAPER on January 12, 2008, 08:22:18 AM
Post by: sdbowler on January 12, 2008, 08:24:45 AM
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Post by: charlest on January 12, 2008, 09:11:39 AM
In some houses we get 5 minutes for 5 person league; that means that you get 2 ball on eachlanes. period. I think that's bad.
I can't believe some of you get 15 minutes?? Holy cow! I'd love that. I could actually both warm-up and find a line.
We do get 10 minutes for my 4 person handicap league. My team always gets there on time. Most other teams either don't there on time or don't use it.
Sometimes we can foul to reset the pins if we don't strike, if that's the way everyone wants to do it. But sometimes the house doesn't turn on the foul lights until league begins. Sometimes a few of us want to shoot at spares.
NicholasE,
At 19 you feel like you need no warm up. Good for you. Not everyone is 19. Tell me you need no warm up when you're 45 and then 60.
So, as a courtesy to others who do, you can get there 10 minutes later and let the others share the time you would have taken to warm-up. 1MechEng,
If you want to shoot at 7 or 10 pins, just shoot at them with the full rack. No big deal. I do that myself, not to check the oil, because I do throw plastic at them. I do it just to get my body to feel the way it is lining up and to throw my flatter release in practice, as a body reminder.
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Post by: demo40 on January 12, 2008, 09:24:14 AM
We get 15 mins of practice with 5 man
teams, and there have been nights where
I have thrown almost a whole game in
warmups. Thats with everyone throwing
two balls then switching lanes.
Post by: ThongPrincess on January 12, 2008, 09:26:36 AM
As for shooting at corner pins in practice, I always take a shot at a 7 on each lane. It doesn't matter if the pin is there or if you are shooting it out of a full rack.
Maybe it is because I have been bowling a long time, but shadow practice would be okay in my book. Since none of the centers do thet, I like to have at least one full rack per lane just to see how the pins are falling. With the one ball and move usually everyone gets at least a full rack per lane.
What I laugh at is the person who resets for every shot like they are not going to have to shot a spare all night and then misses 50% of their spares when it counts.
Then there is the guy who follows me when I've just picked the 7 out of the rack and resets to shoot a strike shot
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Post by: justdale on January 12, 2008, 09:28:01 AM
Besides in league play ( mostly house shot) all it really is, is a chance to loosen up the body
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Post by: Nails on January 12, 2008, 09:35:03 AM
I do agree with some others. I've never had a league do shadow balls, but it's a great solution. Throw one ball at whatever you want - pocket, corner pins..., then get off the lane for the next person. I always shoot at least one 10 and sometimes a 7, but I do what Charlest suggests. First shot at the 10, second at the pocket. Or if I leave an 8 pin or something, rather than shoot at that, I'll aim for the 10.
The ones I really want to smack are the ones who want an extra shot. The first person will leave a few pins and tell the second to either shoot at them or rerack. The second person shoots the spare, then actually wants to get his entire next frame because he doesn't want to count the shot he cleaned the other person's spare up for.
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Post by: Hook on January 12, 2008, 10:27:51 AM
IMO, shadow bowling is like practicing basketball without a hoop.
Edited on 1/12/2008 11:31 AM
Post by: Skizriz on January 12, 2008, 10:45:00 AM
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You guys must be some slow azz bowlers!
We get 15 mins of practice with 5 man
teams, and there have been nights where
I have thrown almost a whole game in
warmups. Thats with everyone throwing
two balls then switching lanes.
Same here. By the end of practice there are usually only about three guys left still throwing. Most guys hit their favorite line,see if it works or not,then they go and sit down. I throw balls from the far right, middle, and left, just to see how they compare.
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Post by: Dan Belcher on January 12, 2008, 12:33:15 PM
Post by: NicholasE on January 12, 2008, 12:40:56 PM
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NicholasE,
At 19 you feel like you need no warm up. Good for you. Not everyone is 19. Tell me you need no warm up when you're 45 and then 60.
Well at age 19 I have more problems then you think. Just because I'm young doesn't mean a thing. I have a bad back (crooked spine) with 3 pinched nerves and a bad knee, so its not like I'm some young guy that doesn't need practice because I'm arrogant or whatever. I practice the whole time but I mean, its a THS, why does anyone need practice? Just throw right and let it fly. For the PBA league I like to get a few extra shots in to get comfortable but I don't complain about it. Usually takes me about 2 shots to find a line that works on a sport shot and I just go from there.
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Post by: Gazoo on January 12, 2008, 12:52:14 PM
Post by: dicnic on January 12, 2008, 01:04:18 PM
Places I used to bowl, always used shadow bowling for practice. If you are a reasonably decent bowler you certainly can tell if the ball gets to the pocket or not, and where the oil line is without any pins.
More shots in the time allowed is better than seeing how the pins fall down.
JMHO.
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Post by: DP3 on January 12, 2008, 01:15:17 PM
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Post by: Rick Wunder on January 14, 2008, 08:31:02 AM
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Warm up really is a waste of time, I just like to get my body freed up mostly and can do that in about 2 shots. Once im in free swing and not tense, im good to go.
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Get back to me in about 40 years and let me know if you're still getting warmed up (not lined up) in two shots.
With respect to shadow bowling (no pins) - many pinspotters do not provide the option of shadow bowling. I.e. They will not cycle (to return your ball) without setting pins.
On topic - I agree with TP. This is not a matter in which the USBC should be involved. If it such a big deal to you, attend your league meeting and propose that a rule (or rule change) be made to address this.
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Post by: triggerman on January 14, 2008, 08:47:12 AM
house 1 ten minutes of practice, we do a full frame
house 2 ten minutes of practice, we do a full frame
house 3 6 minutes of practice, we do one ball
house 4 15 minutes of practice, full frame
the house with 15 minutes is way too much, most people are done at ten
house with 6 minutes is rough but, is also my highest average house, why? cause teh shot doenst get blown apart by 15 minutes of 9 guys trying to find a line with every ball in the bag. IMHO 10 ie enough, and really shadow balls in my book are the way to go
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Post by: curtcrank on January 14, 2008, 11:29:46 AM
Post by: NicholasE on January 14, 2008, 12:40:41 PM
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Warm up really is a waste of time, I just like to get my body freed up mostly and can do that in about 2 shots. Once im in free swing and not tense, im good to go.
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Get back to me in about 40 years and let me know if you're still getting warmed up (not lined up) in two shots.
Alright I will, just don't lose your sign in infomation on here so I can send you a pm and let you know.
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