Post by: morpheus on August 03, 2009, 12:57:20 PM
Post by: DanH78 on August 03, 2009, 09:08:32 PM
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Post by: FastTracker33 on August 03, 2009, 09:09:20 PM
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Post by: morpheus on August 03, 2009, 09:19:40 PM
Post by: atltnpnr on August 03, 2009, 09:24:19 PM
1. At work we have IE6 as the only browser that can be used. Go to bowl.com and it says "please upgrade your browser" with X type links to Opera,IE,Firfox,and Safari.
2. at home I use only Opera. only way to get it to display properly is to enable javascript,java,cookies,and flash.
3. just like the old site you have to scroll down way too much.
4. there is no site map.
there is a positive and that is it looks pretty.
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Post by: Smash49 on August 03, 2009, 09:34:13 PM
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on August 03, 2009, 10:22:02 PM
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Post by: Urethane Game on August 03, 2009, 10:33:58 PM
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Post by: J_w73 on August 03, 2009, 11:29:25 PM
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Post by: mumzie on August 04, 2009, 01:26:46 AM
Also how do you get to the Women's US Open results?...
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Post by: tc300 on August 04, 2009, 01:52:52 AM
Post by: azguy on August 04, 2009, 09:06:27 AM
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Post by: mmcfarland300 on August 04, 2009, 09:20:52 AM
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Post by: loose5682 on August 04, 2009, 09:50:38 AM
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Post by: mmcfarland300 on August 04, 2009, 10:06:07 AM
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Great question mumzie, if we're at work, how do we get to the Women's U.S. Open results?
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This is where you can find the info your looking for. http://bowl.com/tournaments/uswomensopen/
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Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on August 04, 2009, 10:06:48 AM
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They aren't done with the upgrades yet. The membership lookup feature is in the top right pull down bar. I would imagine the old sheets will be added back on alot of the info says it is still being updated.
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I was looking up member averages last night and they were not available. Why in the hell would they not be available!?!?
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Post by: J_w73 on August 04, 2009, 10:13:45 AM
quote:quote:
They aren't done with the upgrades yet. The membership lookup feature is in the top right pull down bar. I would imagine the old sheets will be added back on alot of the info says it is still being updated.
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"Another day will bring a different result"
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I was looking up member averages last night and they were not available. Why in the hell would they not be available!?!?
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Are you suffering from "ball death"? PM me, I'll paypal you the shipping costs to take it off your hands.
I just googled usbc member averages and the link took me to the old member average page..
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Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on August 04, 2009, 10:27:08 AM
quote:quote:quote:
They aren't done with the upgrades yet. The membership lookup feature is in the top right pull down bar. I would imagine the old sheets will be added back on alot of the info says it is still being updated.
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BowlingChat.net (http://"http://www.bowlingchat.net")
http://forums.hammerbowling.com
"Another day will bring a different result"
"Pick your battles because stressing over things will not change an outcome"
I was looking up member averages last night and they were not available. Why in the hell would they not be available!?!?
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Are you suffering from "ball death"? PM me, I'll paypal you the shipping costs to take it off your hands.
I just googled usbc member averages and the link took me to the old member average page..
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16-17 mph,350 rpm,PAP 5 1/2 x 3/8up, HighGame 300 x 3, High Series 782
Book Average 215 / 205,PBA Xperience ave180
yeah if I pull it off my saved bookmarks the old link still works but if you go through the new site's steps it says it's unavailable.
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Post by: Chief BK on August 04, 2009, 10:36:57 AM
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Post by: psaunders300 on August 04, 2009, 11:47:19 AM
A lot of stuff is still unavailable and I received several action script errors just by simple clicking...not too impressive of a job. The UI looks rushed and a little unprofessional to me (I'm a professional), but somewhat better than the old interface. It will probably pizz-off some people off who have slower broadband connections as there are a ton more graphics, flash, etc. which take a while to dl. Air card and dial up users are basically screwed from seeing the new site as it will take forever to dl for them...
I use Firefox when I can and there were other display issues with the interface..I tried to open the website using IE 6 on my work laptop (my company still uses this as a corporate standard) and I get the message "Please Upgrade Your Browser" (with some broken image links to boot). It seems they designed it only for IE 7 / 8 with no support for other browsers - this is a very, very BAD decision as there are still a TON of people using browsers other than IE 7 / 8. According to "The Counter" web site (http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2009/March/browser.php), IE 6 is, as of March 2009, still the second most used browser in the world, with a 33% market share.
Our sanction money at work...woohoo! WTG USBC!!
In the USBC's defense and as a web designer and developer, IE 6 totally sucks as a web browser. It does not implement CSS very well at all, which means you must code to the lowest common denominator (CSS 1.0) and/or put hacks into your CSS...there are also numerous bugs in IE 6 that have kicked my butt from an enterprise application point of view...in one case my company's firewall stopped letting my users into the corporate database via a web app that I developed due to what it thought was a Denial Of Service attack but in reality was an IE 6 image caching bug...bad Microsoft, bad.
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Post by: Debina on August 04, 2009, 06:23:28 PM
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Post by: atltnpnr on August 04, 2009, 10:15:51 PM
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Post by: Debina on August 04, 2009, 11:48:08 PM
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Debina they all get held for moderation now. Some don't even see the light of day. Notice that there is no bad things said yet?
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Wow!
Somebody's going to be very busy keeping the posts up to date. I did notice they're looking for forum "moderators". Could be interesting to see who gets chosen.
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Post by: Atochabsh on August 05, 2009, 09:54:15 AM
The bowl.com boards were the slowest most unused forum I've seen in a while.
Erin
Post by: dicnic on August 05, 2009, 10:10:53 AM
If it does not work right on IE, good for them!
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Post by: windss on August 05, 2009, 12:51:59 PM
Post by: Jorge300 on August 05, 2009, 01:08:22 PM
I wanted to look at the 2009 USBC Open results, the individual results where it lists what you made. The only 2009 results were the "Other" results, Superbrackets, 1,5,9 jackpots, etc. Where are the rest of them????
As far as the site, the graphics are good, I like the new look, but Navigation is utterly horrible. Overall I think it is worse then the old one. And it appears they have removed all the old forum topics....nothing transferred over. So all the history in there is gone. Another black mark in my opinion.
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Post by: Nor Cal Bowler on August 05, 2009, 01:53:52 PM
The USBC on a national level is a joke! I tried calling about a question and I go right to voicemail if I use the menu. I call again, press zero, the operator was rude and didn't transfer me to the right department. Just plain unexcusible customer service!! This is why we lose bowlers!
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on August 05, 2009, 03:46:35 PM
I read a message on their site somewhere that said all of the old standing sheets data is gone. Until the league secretary posts a new one, that is.
One new feature will be that all of the older weekly sheets posted will be available instead of only the most recent one. But that doesn't help any of us who wanted to get a copy of last season's final standings sheet.
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Post by: Smash49 on August 05, 2009, 04:19:44 PM
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on August 05, 2009, 04:41:01 PM
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Next is poor timing. When do you this site most? Start of leagues
Funny, I was just talking about this at lunchtime with a teammate. I told him about the new USBC site and we were wondering why they did not do this in June and have plenty of time to work the bugs out before the start of bowling season. Plus, the league secretaries would have had time to repost the last league standings sheet onto the new site so that it would be there for the start of the new season.
With new bowlers that have moved during the summer, I imagine that there would be a lot of secretaries trying to look up new bowlers' averages and that's not even ready to go yet. Around here, I think some leagues are starting next week or the following week.
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Post by: iowalefty on August 07, 2009, 01:34:53 AM
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Post by: windss on August 07, 2009, 01:53:59 AM
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The "Search for members" link is not working. I tried yesterday and today.
Now that "search for members" is working. But it won't let me reprint my member card.
And if I close the pop-up window, it won't let me do another search until I completely close Firefox.
The new site does look better with all those Flash, but it is not as useful as the old site...
Post by: 60bowler on August 07, 2009, 09:52:38 AM
I agree with everyone about this site...it is terrible "RIGHT NOW"..try and get the average of several bowlers. you have to completely get out of the section before you can check on the next person. It is terrible workmanship on their part. I have already sent them an email about their web site and until more people complain to them...it will remain business as usual. start flooding their in box with complaints and they will get the problem fixed a lot sooner.
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Post by: Sean12x on August 07, 2009, 12:30:19 PM
Post by: windss on August 07, 2009, 12:59:05 PM
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i am tring to find the youth waiver to allow myself to compete in a singles adult league under rule 400 i belive it is. does anyone know where i can find it on the site. when i google it and go to the link there is nothing on the page. i am using a MAC with safari, not sure if that matters. thanks for the help.
Sean: On the Google link, click "View". This will open the waiver PDF, you can print it or save it from there.
I am still trying to figure out how to reprint my member card...
Post by: windss on August 07, 2009, 01:01:50 PM
quote:quote:
i am tring to find the youth waiver to allow myself to compete in a singles adult league under rule 400 i belive it is. does anyone know where i can find it on the site. when i google it and go to the link there is nothing on the page. i am using a MAC with safari, not sure if that matters. thanks for the help.
Sean: On the Google link, click "View". This will open the waiver PDF, you can print it or save it from there.
I am still trying to figure out how to reprint my member card...
To be more specific: do a Google search for "usbc youth waiver", and on the first hit, click on "view".
Post by: Sean12x on August 07, 2009, 03:09:59 PM
Post by: JBracer2 on August 08, 2009, 02:14:15 PM
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Post by: On Further Review on August 08, 2009, 04:54:37 PM
Post by: On Further Review on August 10, 2009, 08:49:08 PM
Post by: EagleHunter on August 10, 2009, 10:25:59 PM
"Please excuse me as Ive deleted your previous post due to the fact it had absolutely nothing to do with any positive aspect of bowling. As the rules state when you signed up, we are here to promote "bowling" in a positive way, please, please help us to do this on this board."
With this kind of regulation...that forum will probably fail miserably. How can it work if you cannot criticize USBC?
Post by: scotts33 on August 10, 2009, 10:37:37 PM
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quote:Next is poor timing. When do you this site most? Start of leagues
Funny, I was just talking about this at lunchtime with a teammate. I told him about the new USBC site and we were wondering why they did not do this in June and have plenty of time to work the bugs out before the start of bowling season.
Gary,
Probably because USBC was moving to TX from WI at that time.
Another one of Jeff Boje's bonehead moves. Anyone want to buy some cheap over priced property with a basically new tech building in Greendale, WI? Ever wonder where all the $$$$$$$$ goes via the USBC and why you are pouring money down a rathole with the rest of your USBC members. You gotta just laugh.
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Post by: Atochabsh on August 11, 2009, 07:13:17 AM
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Anyone want to buy some cheap over priced property with a basically new tech building in Greendale, WI?
We were told the building was sold when the whole moving to TX started. Which was supposed to defray the cost of the move. Guess what? It ain't sold after all. So now we are paying for two locations. Plus moving those that transferred and training the new staff.
Erin
Post by: EagleHunter on August 11, 2009, 04:14:33 PM
"Chance,
I'm curious...what are the limits to this removal of posts? Will posts that criticize USBC or other USBC locals not be allowed? Will issues brought by members be removed if they seem to shine USBC in a negative light?
I completely understand wanting to push a "positive" spin on bowling, but where will it end? People on other message boards are already claiming that this forum is attempting to CENSOR the information on it."
Here's the reply from Mark Miller of USBC:
"Eagle Hunter:
Yes, anything deemed to be negative toward USBC or the sport of bowling will be deleted. As Chance noted, the new BOWL.com forums are for positive news about USBC and the sport of bowling. If you or anyone else has a concern, please e-mail it to the appropriate people here at USBC or within the sport where it can be handled off-line. Thanks."
Post by: On Further Review on August 11, 2009, 05:32:49 PM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on August 11, 2009, 06:19:55 PM
Membership is on the increase?
We now own valuable property in two states?
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on August 11, 2009, 06:21:47 PM
quote:
Here's the reply from Mark Miller of USBC:
"Eagle Hunter:
Yes, anything deemed to be negative toward USBC or the sport of bowling will be deleted.
I guess that forum will be empty for a long time, just like the old USBC site in WI.
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Post by: On Further Review on August 11, 2009, 07:28:34 PM
Post by: ToddM on August 12, 2009, 09:31:48 AM
i offered up an easier way that wouldn't waste their time or the users time and still get the results they want and they shot it down.
in the end they couldn't answer the questions i asked them and riverted back to the original answer that they are going to do it this way...
ok, if they want to do it the hard way, take more time and effort, waste everyone's time involved then by all means go right ahead....
i'm done wasting my time with them...
Post by: ToddM on August 12, 2009, 11:25:05 AM
i guess that's what you get when you suggest ways to help improve their forums to make it easier for everyone involved...
OH WELL....
Post by: STL Cardinals on August 12, 2009, 11:48:00 AM
Just a thought....
Post by: MI 2 AZ on August 12, 2009, 03:18:11 PM
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Maybe the employee's down there should do less bowling and more work...
Maybe they should concentrate more on bowling and less on politics.
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Post by: windss on August 12, 2009, 04:20:16 PM
Is anyone else having this same problem?
Thanks
Post by: Bill Thomas on August 13, 2009, 06:26:39 AM
Post by: ToddM on August 13, 2009, 11:31:48 AM
you just may get a negative repetation too for trying to help like i did...
but they don't want anything negative at all on there yet they don't have a problem labeling profiles with the negative repetation... *shakes head*...
Post by: On Further Review on August 13, 2009, 02:01:16 PM
Post by: Bowlin for Beer on August 13, 2009, 02:52:04 PM
It's rediculous. Tried for ten minutes to find what I was looking for and gave up. Tried to go back later and try again, but got the message box saying I'd need to upgrade my browser. f'n forget it.
Post by: MI 2 AZ on August 13, 2009, 03:52:49 PM
webcontent@bowl.com
Hmmm, maybe they filter out the negatives there too?
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Post by: ToddM on August 13, 2009, 04:28:50 PM
Post by: On Further Review on August 13, 2009, 04:41:39 PM
Post by: JBracer2 on August 14, 2009, 05:58:18 PM
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Post by: Atochabsh on August 14, 2009, 07:40:14 PM
Erin
Post by: On Further Review on August 15, 2009, 01:45:16 PM
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yes, even the complaints will be filtered. gotta have their utopia where nothing is wrong and everyone wears rose colored glasses...
Are you the same ToddM who posted the following in bowl.com? If so, it seems as if you criticize the USBC forums over here and praise them over there. Anyway, here's what you said over there:
I LOVE THIS FORUM!!! I LOVE IT!!!!
i don't want to see it tarnished at all. all i want to see is positive thoughts and positive posts. i don't want anything negative at all on here as it could be damaging. that is why i have a question.
i would like to see a change on the reputation app. it shows negative ratings. it even states words like "poor" and highlights it in red. i know that you are in agreeance with me that we shouldn't have anything negative on this forum/site at all.
this is why i am proposing, if you would, to either take away the reputation app or at least change it so that it does not show negative #'s, words like "poor" and highlighted in red.?.? i'm concerned that search engines may be able to pick this up and show that there's negativity on this board. i'm also concerned that youth members would see this and wonder why and possibly could be influenced in the wrong direction.
i'm all in favor of keeping negativity, in all it's forms, off of this site.
thanks for your time and consideration.
Post by: On Further Review on August 15, 2009, 02:00:09 PM
Post by: JBracer2 on August 15, 2009, 05:55:56 PM
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on August 15, 2009, 06:39:05 PM
quote:
it seems as if you criticize the USBC forums over here and praise them over there.
On Further Review,
I read his quote you posted as being very sarcastic, but maybe that's just me.
Or maybe he had to post it that way so that it would not immediately be deleted.
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Post by: ToddM on August 15, 2009, 08:04:23 PM
quote:quote:
yes, even the complaints will be filtered. gotta have their utopia where nothing is wrong and everyone wears rose colored glasses...
Are you the same ToddM who posted the following in bowl.com? If so, it seems as if you criticize the USBC forums over here and praise them over there. Anyway, here's what you said over there:
I LOVE THIS FORUM!!! I LOVE IT!!!!
i don't want to see it tarnished at all. all i want to see is positive thoughts and positive posts. i don't want anything negative at all on here as it could be damaging. that is why i have a question.
i would like to see a change on the reputation app. it shows negative ratings. it even states words like "poor" and highlights it in red. i know that you are in agreeance with me that we shouldn't have anything negative on this forum/site at all.
this is why i am proposing, if you would, to either take away the reputation app or at least change it so that it does not show negative #'s, words like "poor" and highlighted in red.?.? i'm concerned that search engines may be able to pick this up and show that there's negativity on this board. i'm also concerned that youth members would see this and wonder why and possibly could be influenced in the wrong direction.
i'm all in favor of keeping negativity, in all it's forms, off of this site.
thanks for your time and consideration.
yes, it's the one and the same... if you've also noticed all the other posts i've made since the one they deleted have all been sooooo sugary sweet and nice and blah blah blah. i'm mocking the heck out of them. plus, at the same time questioning their thinking, moderating and so on...
if you are on facebook, look up the group tiat land. it's a continuation of the former this is a test thread. there you can also read about everyone else that is ticked about the new forums on bowl.com.
yes, i decided to play their game and be SUPER nice and mocking them with it since what i REALLY want to say will not get past the moderators.
Post by: On Further Review on August 15, 2009, 08:14:43 PM
Post by: ToddM on August 15, 2009, 08:58:02 PM
as far as lasting as long as they hope? who knows...
i do know that you can't have any kind of reasonable debate if your thoughts, feelings do not match up with how usbc feels because it will be deleted.
as it stands, you have to wait hours for your message to be posted as it is. i don't know how any "discussion" can take place if it takes hours for a message to be posted.
Post by: On Further Review on August 15, 2009, 09:06:21 PM
Post by: Bill Thomas on August 16, 2009, 07:40:07 PM
Post by: On Further Review on August 16, 2009, 08:56:33 PM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on August 17, 2009, 02:07:40 AM
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Post by: On Further Review on August 17, 2009, 11:04:35 AM
quote:
Well, bowlers don't have anything to do with the USBC, it's not like we are funding them or their website, so why should we expect to have any right to comment or criticize what they are doing?
If you are a USBC member, isn't a small part of your dues going toward membership services, including the bowl.com web site? If it isn't the members providing the funds, who is it?
Edited on 8/17/2009 1:48 PM
Post by: BAPSBill on August 17, 2009, 11:22:27 AM
All these PARTNERS.... paid something I'm sure
MBC
PHANTOM RADIO
BVL
NCYS
IBMHF
TBF
Bowlfor the Cure
BPAA
PBA
TNBA
IBPSIA
Of course...... don't know most of them
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Post by: On Further Review on August 17, 2009, 01:49:58 PM
Post by: On Further Review on August 17, 2009, 06:10:04 PM
Post by: ToddM on August 18, 2009, 10:57:45 AM
[#1001] Your account has been temporarily suspended. This suspension is due to end on 27 August 2009 - 08:06 PM.
this is what happens folks when you play by their rules... lol
Post by: MI 2 AZ on August 18, 2009, 01:24:38 PM
Worst website redesign ever.
Does anyone know where they moved the PBA Experience lane pattern pages?
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Post by: EagleHunter on August 18, 2009, 03:07:16 PM
The great moderator Chance claims that your account was restored after it was "locked"...after the email you apparently sent to him.
BTW, apparently I got a post yanked last night regarding USBC status as an NGB and how I couldn't find another NGB that ran a forum, let alone censored one.
Oh yeah...I also wondered how Chance's post regarding your average wasn't pulled by another moderator since it had nothing positive to do with bowling...
Post by: On Further Review on August 18, 2009, 03:50:57 PM
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ROTFLMBO!!! tried logging on to bowl.com and this is what i got...
[#1001] Your account has been temporarily suspended. This suspension is due to end on 27 August 2009 - 08:06 PM.
this is what happens folks when you play by their rules... lol
ToddM, do posters get various "sentences" or suspensions based upon how negative their posts are, and is there any right to appeal a suspension from posting?
Post by: ToddM on August 18, 2009, 05:20:19 PM
i told him that i am still not able to log in and that it's still saying that i'm suspended. so who knows...
i can't wait until they fix it so that i can log back in because i've got a HUGE SUPERSIZED SUGARY SWEET message for the mods.... *laughs*...
Post by: On Further Review on August 18, 2009, 06:05:42 PM
Post by: eglleftcoast on August 18, 2009, 07:00:19 PM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on August 18, 2009, 07:32:27 PM
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I'm sorry but I have read each enter in this topic to see how to find the membership search link. I can't see it anywhere on the site. I looked in the upper right and corner as directed in any earlier post but still nothing. Can someone point me in theright direction???
I think on the upper right corner of the homepage there is supposed to be a Search For... box and just on the right side of that is a dropdown selection where you can select Member. Double click on that and see if it brings you to the page you want.
The new USBC site is not a user-friendly site. If you only select Search For Member, nothing happens. You have to do a double-click on it for it to work. If you mistakenly click on the button just to the right of that search window, it takes you to the forum site. Bad, bad design.
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Post by: On Further Review on August 18, 2009, 07:37:39 PM
Post by: eglleftcoast on August 18, 2009, 07:38:30 PM
Post by: ToddM on August 18, 2009, 07:47:37 PM
i'm sure there is a process to appeal but that's through usbc and more than likely they would side with their own.
apparently it seems to be a clitch that i'm still suspended after several tries of trying to log on. jason overstreet says that he'll look at it tomorrow.
Post by: On Further Review on August 18, 2009, 08:15:34 PM
Post by: On Further Review on August 18, 2009, 09:05:09 PM
Post by: EagleHunter on August 21, 2009, 12:11:29 AM
Where on Earth does USBC get these people? Pay particular attention to the response from the USBC Director of Interactive Media, Chance Spann:
"OK Doc... I approved it only because it was you... but seriously you guys should have a private PM chat... It doesnt do any one any good especially trying to get "non" bowlers to be bowlers at least in this forum, with all this talk. Everyone has more knowledge than myself on these topics but, I just want to bring the sport out of the cobwebs personally. I have made so many friends in this sport, their passion and drive inspires me gentleman, let it inspire those who read what we put in these forums and we just might be able to rise membership, inspire youth to keep it up, and bring this sport to another level.
I bet you both smile when you bowl dont you? ( "
Post by: atltnpnr on August 21, 2009, 12:26:09 AM
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Post by: EagleHunter on August 21, 2009, 01:09:37 AM
"You have got to be kidding...
Exactly how are individuals on this forum supposed to exchange ideas/opinions if the moderators (who admittedly are less knowledgeable than most of us regarding such topics) either don't allow posts or insist that everything be done via a private message?
If anyone at USBC or in the bowling industry thinks that "warm fuzzies" on this website will bring new bowlers to the sport, then the sport is in sad shape and our leaders are extremely out of touch.
We are ALL in agreement that something needed to be done regarding the tone of the old forum, however these new changes are quickly becoming more laughable than anything we had to endure on the old forum. Many of us have already offered suggestions that we believe would make this forum better, only to be told essentially "thanks, but no thanks." If this is TRULY a membership forum, then perhaps the membership should have some input as to how it should be conducted. If not and the forum is to be used strictly for marketing purposes, then perhaps Strike Ten should be footing the bill for the forum and not the members!
Criticize USBC - get your post yanked (without being given a reason why).
Have a discussion the MOD doesn't like - get your post yanked (or get TOLD to move to a PM).
Post a topic (assuming it gets through the MODS) - get an answer in about a day (after the MOD approves everything).
More than likely this post will get yanked as well, without an explanation (though I’ll assume it will be considered negative). So be it. I have copied the text and forwarded my concerns to my association, as well as to others within USBC. This last response just shows how useless this forum is becoming."
Post by: MI 2 AZ on August 21, 2009, 03:03:41 AM
Why do I feel that applies to the USBC?
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Post by: On Further Review on August 21, 2009, 02:07:23 PM
Post by: On Further Review on August 21, 2009, 03:47:18 PM
Post by: ToddM on August 21, 2009, 06:17:43 PM
my thoughts exactly...
Post by: On Further Review on August 21, 2009, 06:52:42 PM
Post by: On Further Review on August 24, 2009, 02:05:31 PM
Post by: EagleHunter on August 24, 2009, 03:59:42 PM
While I agree about the personal attacks, that was USBC's fault for essentially having NO ONE monitor the site or remove things even after users requested threads be removed.
Mr. Treadway also suggested that anyone could start a blog regarding USBC if they chose to...he continued, "We just don't feel like it's in our best interests to have nasty, negative material on the organization's own website."
Unfortunately, I have yet to a response to a question I have posed...what other National Governing Body (NGB) has a public forum, let alone a forum that it censors? None that I could find...what makes USBC different? Is USBC potentially violating its status as NGB by having and censoring a forum?
Post by: On Further Review on August 24, 2009, 05:39:49 PM
Post by: jthales on August 24, 2009, 06:43:04 PM
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I also notice that they now have 33 moderators for the forums.
is this y USBC keps askin 4 a $5 increse in does?
Post by: On Further Review on August 24, 2009, 06:49:41 PM
Post by: EagleHunter on August 25, 2009, 02:16:28 AM
Here is basically what I said (didn't think it would get pulled so I didn't keep a copy):
"A lot has been said about the need for positive information on BOWL.com and its forums. It has been suggested that this positive information is necessary to increase traffic to the website.
What does USBC get from increased traffic to BOWL.com? Are advertising rates tied to the amount of traffic that the website gathers? Will USBC receive additional revenue from an increase in traffic?
Also, while USBC is the National Governing Body (NGB) it is also a membership organization. I would assume that the changes to BOWL.com were designed in such a way as to attract additional members to USBC. With that assumption, what criteria does USBC use to determine if the changes were successful?
For the sake of curiosity, how does the current amount of traffic on the new BOWL.com and its forums relate to the traffic received from the old website?"
I certainly didn't think this post was negative toward USBC. But it sure looks like I might take the lead from ToddM.
Post by: On Further Review on August 25, 2009, 02:23:09 PM
Post by: atltnpnr on August 25, 2009, 09:49:48 PM
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Post by: EagleHunter on August 25, 2009, 10:18:24 PM
I sent yet another email to USBC Executives and staff regarding the issues with the forum, including forum moderators, early this morning (roughly around 3a Eastern). When I sent that email, the post was still NOT on the website.
Then it arrives this morning with a posting date of yesterday at 3pm. Now that is funny. I'm starting to wonder if USBC creates the posting times or not. I submitted the post at roughly 5p Eastern, so at best it should have shown a posting time of 4p, assuming Central time. How it got there an hour before I posted it is beyond me.
That said...at least something I posted finally made it through. I will never know how it got there...Pete Tredwell mentioned he didn't see any issue with the post and wasn't sure why it would have been pulled...then "poof," it appears. Go figure.
Post by: EagleHunter on August 25, 2009, 10:22:31 PM
When I first saw it posted this afternoon (around the noon hour), my post was shown at 3:14 and the first response was shown at 8:36a.
Either I'm losing my mind (over USBC) or the times they are a'changing.
Post by: atltnpnr on August 25, 2009, 10:35:43 PM
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Post by: EagleHunter on August 25, 2009, 10:45:30 PM
Post by: ToddM on August 26, 2009, 04:44:40 PM
eaglehunter, i've only had one post removed due to the mod's decision to do so. still can't figure that one out because it was not negative at all. i asked a question about their policy on moderating and offered a suggestion that would be beneficial to all involved that included users, mods, usbc...
apparently they don't like being given suggestions.
the rest of my posts were supposedly "lost" when they fixed the "glitch" that had me on suspension even though the mods said that i had not done anything to be put on suspension for...
Post by: On Further Review on August 28, 2009, 10:42:47 AM
Post by: trash heap on August 28, 2009, 12:36:45 PM
Post by: On Further Review on August 28, 2009, 01:56:48 PM
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Was there a Government take over of the USBC
I think it is more like a proprietor takeover. Either way, you'd better not question Big Brother.
Post by: MI 2 AZ on August 28, 2009, 02:06:33 PM
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I think it is more like a proprietor takeover.
As in moving closer to the BPAA?
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Post by: On Further Review on August 28, 2009, 02:09:54 PM
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Post by: Atochabsh on September 08, 2009, 08:34:18 PM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on September 09, 2009, 09:38:39 AM
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Post by: azguy on September 09, 2009, 10:19:35 AM
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Post by: Smash49 on September 09, 2009, 11:24:39 AM
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Post by: tuckingfenpin on September 09, 2009, 11:42:41 AM
He responded after about ten minutes with "They should have hired a high school web design class, there would be less mistakes and the coding wouldn't be as sloppy."
Lot of people around my area don't like the new site either, and their forum BS is going to put a lot of people off. Bowlers were already questioning why they should pay a sanction fee to USBC, and now they do bone headed moves like this.
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Post by: On Further Review on September 13, 2009, 06:14:02 PM
Post by: Atochabsh on September 21, 2009, 05:53:45 AM
Don't organizations run test areas for such things like new web sites and data entry programs?
Erin
Post by: Bill Thomas on September 21, 2009, 06:37:49 AM
Post by: Atochabsh on September 21, 2009, 06:53:55 AM
We NEED to use this site and we need it to work....not soon, but NOW. Leagues have started and we need to get our youth leagues sanctioned. Our Jr/Adult leagues need to have all their members sanctioned, not just the adults.
Our secretaries and local tournament directors need this site to work and be able to search for averages.
We have tournaments coming up where youth are involved and we need the online entry system to work.
Edited on 9/21/2009 6:55 AM
Post by: Atochabsh on September 21, 2009, 08:39:46 PM
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WHY does it take them two days to return an email? That web-based system for youth bowling was not ready for release, and will probably take another year for it to work correctly.
WINLabs is the software we've been using for USBC, its created by them for the purpose of inputting sanctions, awards and running tournaments. We get periodic patches to keep the software up to date. The last patch, eliminated any ability to do any santioning work with the youth on our computer. So its not like we can go back and use the old system now. Unless they come up with another patch that returns WINLabs to its format prior to Aug 1st. Which honestly, IMO, is what they should do. Because they waited until a critial time in our bowling year to do this, apparently without thorough testing.
We have youth tournaments coming up, tournaments that include youth. We have leagues pouring in, including youth.
Why the youth? I think they singled out the youth because they were the smallest easiest isolated group to "test" the online data entry system on. I fully expect that WINLabs will be eliminated and all sanctioning will be done online like this. Which is fine as long as the association has internet access and it doesn't fail, go down, bog down or get hacked. And of course if there were to be any kind of catastrophy (heaven forbid), like a fire, flood or tornado, at the central office local, all sanctioned bowling will go down.
Erin
Post by: EagleHunter on September 21, 2009, 08:44:26 PM
I had a back and forth with Pete Tredwell, USBC VP of Media, concerning the website (particularly the forum) about a month ago. While he regurgitated everything already being stated on the forums, he answered some of my questions, while ignoring others.
One that was not answered was this...after months of promoting the site and how spectacular it was going to be, how can the organization actually go "live" with a site that has more problems than Vista?
The continuing lack of website functionality is a HUGE problem. If things cannot be fixed by now (it's only been about 2 months), I would suggest going back to the old site, the one that ACTUALLY worked, fix the bugs in the new one, and then re-launch the new site (once it works).
Post by: On Further Review on September 28, 2009, 07:44:13 PM
Post by: MI 2 AZ on September 28, 2009, 11:45:56 PM
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Post by: On Further Review on December 01, 2009, 08:18:14 PM
Post by: EagleHunter on December 01, 2009, 08:28:11 PM
Simply put, such a discussion (even taking out the negative USBC attacks) could NEVER take place on their new message boards.
But even if you do not consider the message board, the site is still a total failure. Four months later, and after 2-3 months of PROMOTING the changes, various parts of the site, some vital to users, STILL do not work!
Nothing else to say...IRRESPONSIBLE!
Post by: pin-chaser on December 01, 2009, 10:00:37 PM
Post by: Atochabsh on December 01, 2009, 10:35:35 PM
Edited on 12/1/2009 11:37 PM
Post by: On Further Review on December 04, 2009, 02:15:26 PM
Post by: Smash49 on December 04, 2009, 03:01:23 PM
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Post by: On Further Review on December 05, 2009, 12:37:06 PM
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Agreed. The new and improved www.bowl.com is a failure of EPIC proportions. Considering that Pete Tredwell, who took ownership of the changes as VP of Media, went to the PBA message boards to converse and get ideas from bowlers there is even more proof of this failure.
Didn't Tredwell quit his own thread when he saw how USBC was being criticized over there?
Post by: EagleHunter on December 05, 2009, 01:47:53 PM
Post by: On Further Review on December 05, 2009, 02:08:52 PM