Post by: Necromancer on January 08, 2009, 06:33:16 AM
First off, I think bowling ball testing from the manufacturer to online sites like Buddiesproshop are misleading and worthless. Well I guess they are good if you plan to use a ball for about 10 games and then either are rich enough to buy another, plan to get it resurfaced constantly, or are just dumb in the head and need an arsenal of like 10-20 balls.
My way: treat bowling balls like building materials. You think they test the steel beams in buildings based on how it is when new? Hizell no. They fatigue it, stress it, until it breaks. They want to know how it will be years from now when it ain't sparkling new but covered in rust and garbage but still performing strong!
So instead of showing what balls do OOB and showing how it hooks all over the lane when it has 0% oil absorption, take it to the limits. My method in outline form:
-Show me the ball OOB and show me the ball after it has been dipped and soaked in oil overnight (literally)
-Wipe off the oil and make sure the coverstock is good and soaked
-Now show me the ball OOB on a constant shot with a robot
-Robot should be standardized with 2-3 industry standard shots (straight up, coast-to-coast, and something in between, with a fixed speed and fixed axis of rotation)
-Now show me the ball after it has been soaked in oil (representing the ball after hundreds of games after poor care)
-The before and after will represent the range the ball can do performance wise
What bowling ball companies fail to do is show any range. Yet in every other industry, ranges are required. You don't see that rare steal beam get listed to break at 10,000 psi tensile strength when the range is actually much less or much more.
This is Necromancer and the New Ball Testing Method.
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Post by: another300 on January 08, 2009, 02:41:20 PM
Post by: tenpin477 on January 08, 2009, 02:42:22 PM
I mean its obvious, but you don't point out the negatives in your product lmao.
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Post by: boomtown24 on January 08, 2009, 02:57:54 PM
Post by: Uncle Crusty on January 08, 2009, 03:03:24 PM
Seriously, guy. Stop whining because you're too lazy to clean your bowling equipment. It's no one's fault, least of all Chris Forry and his staff, that your balls back up after 6 months because they're saturated beyond help and have half-inch deep slices all through the covers.
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Post by: directdrill on January 08, 2009, 03:04:52 PM
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Post by: DP3 on January 08, 2009, 03:10:29 PM
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Post by: Necromancer on January 08, 2009, 03:10:56 PM
Post by: NoseofRI on January 08, 2009, 03:12:30 PM
Post by: Arstine on January 08, 2009, 03:22:05 PM
Post by: another300 on January 08, 2009, 03:23:12 PM
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How about a company unassociated with the bowling companies then? Something like CNET.com. Instead have it like ballreviews.com where people actually volunteer to reveal the truth of bowling balls. Money will be paid by subscribers to this service at a low fee per month. This money will go into the volunteers time and in purchasing new equipment. The site will start off online based only and may expand to a monthly magazine that also gives unbiased info on other bowling stuff. The problem with bowling is that the companies have too much leverage. Give the power to the bowlers!
Now you're on to something. Although I would have to take the route of a politician. Why you ask? Well because it would be more profitable. I would take bribes from these companies if their "new" balls performed badly. A couple hundred thousand, and I would "praise" their "new" balls. They don't pay, I don't play!
Post by: leftyinsnellville on January 08, 2009, 03:24:46 PM
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Post by: Nails on January 08, 2009, 03:52:14 PM
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So I am sitting here answering another nuclear engineering question regarding a pipe material that I was responsible for putting in these new reactors. I basically changed steel piping to plastic piping because it corrodes less and looks cool.
Stupidest.... Post.... Ever.
Ya know Necro, if you were 1/100th as good or smart as you pretend to be, you'd almost qualify as an imbecile. I actually like it when you post about new subjects it gives me a chance to feel superior about a subject that I know little about. Actually, that's a pretty good idea. Someone with a lot of time should find all of Necro's posts and make a list of some of his strange thoughts just to see how many things he knows nothing about.
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Post by: Uncle Crusty on January 08, 2009, 04:27:24 PM
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Stupidest.... Post.... Ever.
Ya know Necro, if you were 1/100th as good or smart as you pretend to be, you'd almost qualify as an imbecile. I actually like it when you post about new subjects it gives me a chance to feel superior about a subject that I know little about. Actually, that's a pretty good idea. Someone with a lot of time should find all of Necro's posts and make a list of some of his strange thoughts just to see how many things he knows nothing about.
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Post by: NoseofRI on January 08, 2009, 04:29:09 PM
Post by: Leonidas on January 08, 2009, 05:17:58 PM
1) A detox diet might be the quick way of getting rid of those love handles, but according to health experts, the "hydration diet" is dangerous and must be avoided to prevent permanent brain injury.
2) Cutting carbs too much for a long time COULD be dangerous and cause permanent damage to the body. No carbs, no glucose. No glucose, your brains cells are out of fuel.
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Post by: novawagonmaster on January 08, 2009, 06:08:51 PM
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Post by: 1MechEng on January 08, 2009, 06:30:55 PM
I like the general idea of an independent review. However, it's not realistic to expect the manufacturers to do this, unless you can make it into a way to sell more balls for them.
As for the piping switch ... be careful. Plastic pipe (esp. PVC and CPVC) is known for maintaining a static charge. It's often more chemically resistant than cast iron/steel or copper pipe, but heat and other factors make it a poor choice for anything but low pressure, cool temperature applications. Polyethylene pipe is better, but still subject to some of the drawbacks as PVC.
(I speak as someone who worked in the Navy Nuclear industry doing reactor component engineering for almost 4 years).
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Post by: Necromancer on January 08, 2009, 06:40:47 PM
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Necro -
I like the general idea of an independent review. However, it's not realistic to expect the manufacturers to do this, unless you can make it into a way to sell more balls for them.
As for the piping switch ... be careful. Plastic pipe (esp. PVC and CPVC) is known for maintaining a static charge. It's often more chemically resistant than cast iron/steel or copper pipe, but heat and other factors make it a poor choice for anything but low pressure, cool temperature applications. Polyethylene pipe is better, but still subject to some of the drawbacks as PVC.
(I speak as someone who worked in the Navy Nuclear industry doing reactor component engineering for almost 4 years).
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Haha, yeah I had to get it approved by the NRC. You are probably the only one on this site that knows what HDPE is hehe.
As for the reviews, it would have to be from an independent site/company/mag - something like cnet or something. It would be nice to see the range and what to expect on a ball in its worst state.
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And for those that are calling me names, you would be shocked of my accomplishments both academically and athletically.
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For haters, look up the Grand Challenge on google which I helped develop the coupling for transmission and steering for.
And look up door room beds in college that flip towards the wall when not in use to make more space for dorm rooms that are small.
Keep hatin'!
Edited on 1/8/2009 7:43 PM
Post by: directdrill on January 08, 2009, 07:06:40 PM
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Haha, yeah I had to get it approved by the NRC. You are probably the only one on this site that knows what HDPE is hehe.
HDPE: High Density Polyethylene. Used frequently for both water and waste water lines, gas distribution pipelines, and conduit for fiber optic lines.
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Post by: SleepOnIce on January 09, 2009, 02:26:29 AM
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And for those that are calling me names, you would be shocked of my accomplishments both academically and athletically.
Assuming they've read any of your posts, they are well aware of all of your accomplishments.
I think would like the oil soaked ball reviews. "After deliberately removing all of the possible friction the bowling ball could create on it's own, it didn't hook."
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Post by: KingofKings696 on January 09, 2009, 02:33:16 AM
Post by: azus on January 09, 2009, 05:53:22 AM
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For a nuclear engineer you aren't very bright, or you failed marketing 101. Either way it's an idea that won't sell anything. Go back to the drawing board.
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Post by: Baliktad on January 13, 2009, 04:50:29 AM
1) The years you indicate you were enrolled at VT do not add up to a 4 yr degree.
2) How could someone who was supposedly enrolled in nuclear eng courses be on a engineering team that has nothing to do with nuclear power.
I seriously doubt some of your facts. Please show proof of your being on the DARPA team and/or being a nuclear engineer.
Post by: Necromancer on January 13, 2009, 04:53:05 AM
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I seriously doubt he is a nuclear engineer.
1) The years you indicate you were enrolled at VT do not add up to a 4 yr degree.
2) How could someone who was supposedly enrolled in nuclear eng courses be on a engineering team that has nothing to do with nuclear power.
I seriously doubt some of your facts. Please show proof of your being on the DARPA team and/or being a nuclear engineer.
It has already been shown in another thread awhile ago. I could care less what you think. And yeah they don't add to 4 years. 2001-06 = 5 years.
EDIT: Here is proof - again. Sorry for calling you a moron earlier:
http://www.me.vt.edu/grandchallenge/Team0506.htm
Edited on 1/13/2009 8:16 AM
Post by: Necromancer on January 14, 2009, 09:48:18 PM
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OMG, now you are claiming to invent the "Pullman" type bed? Hey jerk, those were on trains in the 1950's and 1960's to save space. Wow, fifteen years ago I put a workbench in my garage that could be folded up against the wall to save space. Does that mean I too can supposedly get a job replacing stainless steel piping with plastic piping in NUCLEAR REACTORS? Son, money talks and B.S. walks. You're walking so fast away from us I can hardly see you. You are such an internet poser and imposter it just isn't funny anymore. Get a life.
You continue to make yourself look dumber by the post. Don't be mad that I am more successful than you ever were and I am half your age LOL. Get a life?... says the 50 year old on a bowling ball site.
EDIT: Oh and if you can't understand the picture link above. I am in that picture. If you don't understand the subject of the picture, you are obviously out of the loop at robotic vehicles.
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Post by: nutsforbowling on January 15, 2009, 07:42:56 AM
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Good response. You're a tool. Since I have been involved for the last seven years in the local high school's FIRST robotics team,I might know a little about robotics. Here's the problem with your life and how you lead it. When all you do is tell lies, pretty soon you can't keep track of all the lies and they trip you up. I am sure I am not the only one on this forum that has noticed whenever you are called out on something that you post, you usually ignore it and come up with something like your last post. Or when the Navy Nuclear Engineer replied to your post and you posted what you thought was a little known acronym (big word, look it up)for plastic piping to try to deflect any more criticism. You're just lame. Just another anonymous internet poser who schemes and dreams. The only way I would ever let you get close to a nuclear reactor was if I was studying the effects of background radiation on monkeys and needed a good test subject. By the way, I'm guessing you're the chick in the middle of the first row.
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Post by: Necromancer on January 15, 2009, 07:47:41 AM
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Good response. You're a tool. Here's the problem with your life and how you lead it. When all you do is tell lies, pretty soon you can't keep track of all the lies and they trip you up. I am sure I am not the only one on this forum that has noticed whenever you are called out on something that you post, you usually ignore it and come up with something like your last post. Or when the Navy Nuclear Engineer replied to your post and you posted what you thought was a little known acronym (big word, look it up)for plastic piping to try to deflect any more criticism. You're just lame. Just another anonymous internet poser who schemes and dreams. The only way I would ever let you get close to a nuclear reactor was if I was studying the effects of background radiation on monkeys and needed a good test subject.
LOL. You are by far the dumbest idiot on this site. Maybe you are a troll. But I will play along. So what you question about my so-called lies?
-Bodybuilder?
-Academics?
-Job?
Maybe you are just pissed off that there is an ***hole that walks the earth that is more successful than you ever were in your pathetic life. Maybe you are just mentally slow or borderline retarded. Yeah I'm an anonymous internet poster. Let's break that anonymous title you dumb s***.
If you want to embarrass yourself, come by my office:
4350 Northern Pike
Monroeville PA 15120
Or look up Westinghouse and see if I work there. They would probably laugh at your face. But most likely you have little to no balls to follow through with anything.
Or maybe you don't believe I'm a bodybuilder. If you were too slow to see the other thread months ago where I posted pics, then that is your problem. Retards don't get second chances.
Or maybe you don't believe I went to VT. Well in that case you are just stupid. Or you don't believe I am getting an MBA at Pitt University. It is hard to show someone online when they are too stupid or too lazy to click links.
http://www.accounts.pitt.edu/Public/find.asp?FoundCDS=aAcEaDnccBodx&AuthCode=2W9z5j58j8kzj6
http://www.me.vt.edu/grandchallenge/Team0506.htm
Can you still not connect the dots or are you too ****in dumb to match simple names?
You just embarrassed yourself so keep it up and go for gold!
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Post by: qstick777 on January 15, 2009, 07:51:26 AM
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And for those that are calling me names, you would be shocked of my accomplishments both academically and athletically.
EDIT:
For haters, look up the Grand Challenge on google which I helped develop the coupling for transmission and steering for.
And look up door room beds in college that flip towards the wall when not in use to make more space for dorm rooms that are small.
Keep hatin'!
Edited on 1/8/2009 7:43 PM
Holy crap, you invented the murphy bed? (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphy_bed")
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Post by: Necromancer on January 15, 2009, 07:56:28 AM
quote:quote:
And for those that are calling me names, you would be shocked of my accomplishments both academically and athletically.
EDIT:
For haters, look up the Grand Challenge on google which I helped develop the coupling for transmission and steering for.
And look up door room beds in college that flip towards the wall when not in use to make more space for dorm rooms that are small.
Keep hatin'!
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Holy crap, you invented the murphy bed? (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphy_bed")
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"The Founding Fathers knew a government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose."
"Government is not the solution to our problems - government is the problem."
Obviously it was an improvement on existing designs. If you base it on patent number then you could say it is an invention. If you base it on pure innovation, then it was not since the design is relatively old.
Post by: qstick777 on January 15, 2009, 08:46:48 AM
quote:quote:quote:
And for those that are calling me names, you would be shocked of my accomplishments both academically and athletically.
EDIT:
For haters, look up the Grand Challenge on google which I helped develop the coupling for transmission and steering for.
And look up door room beds in college that flip towards the wall when not in use to make more space for dorm rooms that are small.
Keep hatin'!
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Holy crap, you invented the murphy bed? (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphy_bed")
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"The Founding Fathers knew a government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose."
"Government is not the solution to our problems - government is the problem."
Obviously it was an improvement on existing designs. If you base it on patent number then you could say it is an invention. If you base it on pure innovation, then it was not since the design is relatively old.
Very nice. Any links or pics of the design and improvements. I'm actually thinking about doing something like this - would rather keep both kids in the same room and use the other room for a guest/play/game room, but 2 single beds don't leave much room for anything else (and they are too young for bunk beds).
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Post by: BowlingWolf on January 15, 2009, 09:25:17 AM
Using your ingenious reasoning on bowling ball longevity testing, why don’t you apply the same principles on aging and its inherent effects, and date old, hunched over, wrinkly, crusty, cane-aided walking women—women aged 80 and over—since it will enlighten you on what it will feel like to get it on with your future wife when the 2 of you hit your twilight years. (Assuming of course, that you already do know what it’s like to get it on with a woman around your age.)
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Post by: novawagonmaster on January 15, 2009, 09:39:36 AM
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Post by: Jesse James on January 15, 2009, 11:46:28 AM
You are indeed a trip! You make me laugh.....and fundamentally, your ideas ain't half bad....regardless of all the heat you catch on here from your fellow posters! Keep up the good work! You at least think outta the box, contrary to most of the engineers I deal with on a daily basis!
( and by the way, I do know what HDPE is, and PLC, CI, WRPD-STL, CTS, etc.
I'm in the piping field as well)
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Post by: Necromancer on January 15, 2009, 12:26:22 PM
1. LOL @ getting beat up to death. You obviously don't know me. And don't get confused, this is not to say I can't be killed or whatever. In fact, it is more than likely. And guess what, I still don't give a f***.
2. I don't even know what those games are because I didn't have money growing up. But if you must know because you are borderline gay like that, it is from a spelling test.
3. Yeah I'm so puny. It's not like I played baseball and basketball until I broke both my ankles in college during a basketball game. While you get a hard-on on your 300 games in bowling (yeah I see your lame profile), I was playing other sports. Sorry.
4. Tough guy? I never been in a fight in my life. Maybe in hickville where you are probably from, people resolve their problems physically. Others around you are probably about the same intelligence level as you.
5. LOL at peace with myself. You are the one that has been following me around in every thread trying to get some people on your side.
Have a nice life. Your life during your golden years seems promising.
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Wolf, he'll never make it to his twilight years. He will tick the wrong person off in the wrong place at the wrong time and get beaten to death because he shot his mouth off and couldn't back it up.
C'mon, change your screen name to Mr.One Up. You're that one guy in everybody's circle that everybody knows and hates. No matter what the story subject you can do one better. ONE UP suits you much better than some silly name from Dungeons and Dragons or Magic the Gathering. It's so funny when people actually leave the nerdery where they have been sheltered all their life. Too puny to be paid attention to? Make up accomplishments. Weak and beat up everyday of your life? Become a body builder and try to give the appearance of a tough guy.
Very typical of a callow youth. Tries to get me in a pissing match about who has accomplished more. Let me just say this. I have forgotten more about life than you will ever know. I am not the only person on this board to think you are full of crap. As soon as you accept that you are just a B.S.'er and nobody is buying or believing a word you say, the sooner you will be at peace with yourself. What else you going to invent today, gravity? I am sure you will find some way to improve upon Newton's theory. WHAT A TOOL!!!
Post by: Nails on January 15, 2009, 12:44:48 PM
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Post by: smash8-10split on January 15, 2009, 12:55:48 PM
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Post by: Necromancer on January 15, 2009, 01:01:31 PM
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necro you have never been in a fight but training to be in MMA?
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And your point is?
Some cops train their whole life to shoot a gun, but some never fire it on the job their whole careers.
Post by: Uncle Crusty on January 15, 2009, 01:13:11 PM
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And your point is?
Some cops train their whole life to shoot a gun, but some never fire it on the job their whole careers.
Maybe so, but that's a terrible analogy. If you want to stick with cops, a better analogy might be hiring a patrolman that had never driven a vehicle before in their life.
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Post by: JoshY on January 15, 2009, 02:58:21 PM
No offense Necro but I think you train sparingly and only to say you train in mma.
I could be wrong but what leads me to believe this is some of the things you have posted.
I actually train so I know when someone is b.s.ing.
Throw an armbar on an attacker? Unless you are going for a flying armbar or are going to pull gaurd and go from there maybe.
Post by: Necromancer on January 15, 2009, 03:14:55 PM
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Sorry to hijack but....
No offense Necro but I think you train sparingly and only to say you train in mma.
I could be wrong but what leads me to believe this is some of the things you have posted.
I actually train so I know when someone is b.s.ing.
Throw an armbar on an attacker? Unless you are going for a flying armbar or are going to pull gaurd and go from there maybe.
Yes I train sparingly. It is something I am going for, not something I have achieved. The only thing I did was martial arts when I was younger and some boxing training (no sparring) in hs.
The armbar I assume is in the thread of hitting a woman. It was a joke LOL.
pghfightclub.com is where I go along with Bally Fitness.
Post by: JoshY on January 15, 2009, 03:19:13 PM
I was hoping it was a joke.
Post by: JoshY on January 15, 2009, 03:22:52 PM
On a side not if you get a chance go the the Paulson seminar.
He is serious on the ground you can check some of his videos on youtube.
Great moves especially if bjj is not really clicking for you. Excellent stuff.
Post by: Necromancer on January 15, 2009, 03:24:41 PM
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Thats a pretty big place to train.
On a side not if you get a chance go the the Paulson seminar.
He is serious on the ground you can check some of his videos on youtube.
Great moves especially if bjj is not really clicking for you. Excellent stuff.
I'll check it out.