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Zanatos1914

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Next Season Balls...
« on: July 17, 2013, 05:05:21 PM »
Does anybody know how these distributors like Hammer, Storm, DVA, and etc know what type of balls to design for the following season... Are they given some type of heads up on the oil or what..  Maybe its me but last seasons balls should work if they didnt change the oil ratio... 

I might be behind the times.....  :-\

 

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Re: Next Season Balls...
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2013, 05:40:53 PM »
O well - I guess knowbody really knows...  Thanks....

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Re: Next Season Balls...
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2013, 05:57:37 PM »
IMO it is the other way around.  The manufacturers keep trying to design stronger cores or coverstocks and the lane oil companies then try to design lane oils that will hold up longer to those stronger balls.  Then the lane patterns may be tweeked to compensate for both the balls and the lane conditioner.  I am probably wrong but that is what it seems to me.

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Re: Next Season Balls...
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2013, 06:22:11 PM »
The ball companies only design for what they see out there, it's a back and forth deal.  With such a wide range of oils and conditions, they can't possibly know what's going down where.  They can only design balls based on what they see and what they hear. 
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Re: Next Season Balls...
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2013, 07:15:40 PM »
Any ball from any period will work on "todays oils". Companies sell what they think consumers will buy.
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Re: Next Season Balls...
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2013, 07:22:14 PM »
The oils nor the covers have changed much in the past 15 yrs or so....just marketing
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Re: Next Season Balls...
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2013, 09:34:23 PM »
JustRico, I know you would know this fact better than most everybody on this site, but I couldn't agree more. I've purchased a number of balls over that period of time and can honestly say I have just as much success with one that is 11 years old as I do with the newer ones.

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Re: Next Season Balls...
« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2013, 02:20:29 AM »
I wouldn't say there hasn't been any difference over that period of time. I'll buy the last 4-5 years maybe, but as someone who only had a ball poured as early as 2001 and then getting some new ones tonight ( Arson Low Flare and First Blood) there is some difference.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking Urethane to Reactive difference, and if you were a really solid bowler back then, it may not show up as much, but for someone like me the forgiveness shows up.

With the few shots I threw tonight with both balls couldn't get either to fall off in the gutter, thats not something I could ever say about my Beast or Eraser  ;D

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Re: Next Season Balls...
« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2013, 07:58:32 AM »
Columbia Beast was early to mid 90's and Eraser was early 2000's...so you're talking abt a ball 20 yrs olde and one just under 10...if you do NOT have a controlled environment, such as all 3 bowling balls new now, you can't make that assumption...
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Re: Next Season Balls...
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2013, 07:59:37 AM »
And quite honestly, the Beast is very similar to a Low Flare or IQ tour editions...Eraser is stronger than you may remember...
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Re: Next Season Balls...
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2013, 11:19:18 AM »
Surface and ball maintenance goes along way with how older bowling balls react.
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Re: Next Season Balls...
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2013, 11:38:45 AM »
Surface and ball maintenance goes along way with how older bowling balls react.

Problem was with older stuff they didn't supply their factory finish process, so trying to replicate it with a resurface just didn't happen.  Quite often we had problems getting a ball to react like it did out of the box.  Now we can get really close. 
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Re: Next Season Balls...
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2013, 12:14:45 PM »
Surface and ball maintenance goes along way with how older bowling balls react.

Problem was with older stuff they didn't supply their factory finish process, so trying to replicate it with a resurface just didn't happen.  Quite often we had problems getting a ball to react like it did out of the box.  Now we can get really close. 

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Re: Next Season Balls...
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2013, 04:14:32 PM »
Columbia Beast was early to mid 90's and Eraser was early 2000's...so you're talking abt a ball 20 yrs olde and one just under 10...if you do NOT have a controlled environment, such as all 3 bowling balls new now, you can't make that assumption...

Bought the Beast NIB out of my pro shop in 1998, I believe it was the last version they did with it. I bought the Eraser in either 2001 or 2002 I believe, because I was out of bowling shortly after that. So you are talking 15 and and 10-11 years respectively.

Also I was referring to when all of them were brand new. I still bowl in the same house and they pretty much still put down the same pattern so while not a perfect comparison its still relevant. I'm not saying there is an OMG insane difference, but there is some with that much of a gap in years, hell even urethane balls aren't exactly the same anymore.

Do the new balls have similar roll and shape to them, well yeah, but that wasn't what I was really talking about either.

Edit: I'm still throwing the Eraser, it probably only had 10-15 games on it before I quit, with how mine is drilled and with the OOB finsh, its strong, but not all that strong compared to what is out there today. Definitely fits in the medium category.
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Re: Next Season Balls...
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2013, 04:21:10 PM »
You apparently do not understand my statement...you can make an assessment without performing the proper test...this is your assumption and nothing else...which is basing data off a personal assumption...this is not how data or statements are based or understand. You have your opinion but understand the limited relevance of it...
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