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Zanatos1914

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Bowling Practice Challenge
« on: October 05, 2013, 11:48:18 PM »
This season is the worst season I have seen with bowling starting with the AMF buyout situation and the next challenge is finding conditioned lanes...  Maybe its my area but I am not seeing that much volume of oil on the lanes if any during practice... I will admit that I am condition bowler who isnt able to throw any type of ball for all conditions and stuck practicing with only 1 ball plus a spare ball.. I want to practice more than 1 shot but these conditions limit me..  Anybody else stuff in these type of situation because the centers arent putting that much oil period this season..


 

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Re: Bowling Practice Challenge
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2013, 01:24:13 AM »
i bought a freeze solid for these conditions . works great and is cheap

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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2013, 05:49:11 AM »
Practice should be used to work on deficiencies in your game.  Timing doesn't care how much oil is on the lane.  Neither does your arm swing, hand position or hitting your mark.  I've bowled competitively all around the world on some of the worst conditions.

If your idea of practice is just high scores, you are wasting your money.  The ending blocks of tournaments are usually the same conditions you are finding on the weekend.  Practice on the harder conditions and gain a little versatility in your game.

Scores have very little to do with being a good bowler.  During the 70s I remember crossing with Brian Voss.  At the time he was averaging about 190 and was planning on joining the PBA.  People today would laugh at him for even considering it.  Bowling on conditions where you have to fight for every pin instead of relying on stringing a bunch of strikes gave him the versatility of scoring on any condition.

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Re: Bowling Practice Challenge
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2013, 07:02:44 AM »
Zanatos1914 —

larry mc's post makes great sense —  use another, more appropriate ball for practice. He's suggesting a ball that works for him. For me, that ball might be too much. Find a ball that will work for you. If you can, buy a used one in good condition; alter its shell if you need to.

SrKegler's post is also excellent advice — practice hitting your mark, your arm swing, timing, hand positions, etc/etc, and ignore the score.

For me, practice time is also an opportunity to experiment, and sometimes the results are very surprising.

Focus on consistency. Allow yourself some pause-time to feel differences, something that's initially difficult to do when competing. Train yourself to watch the ball's motion as it rolls towards the pins. And, as author/coach Susie Minshew says, it's very important to note where the ball exits the pins, which will tell you about its entry angle.

One thing not to do is expect perfectly consistent lane and oil conditions — they don't exist. But your point that very different lane conditions are difficult to deal with, especially when trying to develop new skills, is a valid one.

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Zanatos1914

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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2013, 12:00:05 PM »
Thanks for the advice but I would like to practice with more than 1 ball -- They have forced me down to old urethane hammer which holds on extreme dry condition which is the only condition I see during open play...  I would like to practice with all my other equipment but lack of oil has killed that concept and I would prefer to preserve my balls for when I can use them again...

I believe that is my complaint..

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Re: Bowling Practice Challenge
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2013, 02:24:55 PM »
New columbia eruption pro coming out that will be perfect for the conditions you describe.
Should hear info this week about it

can you throw straight at all single pin spares. If not, that is a very important part of the game to work on.

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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2013, 02:53:36 PM »
Zanatos1914 —

I understand your frustration. Had to work through it myself. It's the same we all share, to one degree or another. Here's the situation:

Let's start by supposing your House puts out a highly consistent shot day after day, that every lane has the same characteristics, that you've got balls to match those lanes and conditions, and that you have equally consistent delivery skills. You would then reasonably expect little to no differences, whether you're practicing or competing.

But all these things are not actually possible, meaning the suppositions are unreasonable to begin with.

For example, my House does their earnest best to put down the same fresh shot for every league, every night. And they strive to do the same for every day league. But guess what?: the night shot plays slightly differently every night and the day shot always plays very differently than the night shot.

Why? There's a long list of causes but temperature, humidity and timing are at the top. By "time" I mean that oil viscosity will change right along with variations in temp and humidity levels. Another thing is that every lane plays differently, and no two pair are quite the same as the others. Also, remember that while you're practicing pretty much on your own, the lanes are not degrading as they would when your team is playing against another team. I might also mention that when the House fills with active bowlers, the temp and humidity can't help but rise.

Are you getting a better understanding now? Push your own reset button and let go of this frustration.

Don't worry. You are obviously thinking things out, which is more than most do. "Practice with a purpose" and your skills will increase right along with a higher average. You'll see!   

   

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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2013, 03:28:31 PM »
you may have to pay a little bit extra to get fresh lanes, but get a few people together for the practice session, and maybe split the cost of having the house re-oil a pair for you during practice.  if that house won't, if it's an option, go somewhere that will. also, use those session that you can't get good oil, to pull the spare ball out an throw a few games at just the 7's and 10's
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Re: Bowling Practice Challenge
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2013, 04:15:39 PM »
I practiced last Friday with my practice group of 5-6 players. We were surprised at the volume of oil. It gave us all an opportunity to experiment.

I completely agree with SrKegler. I was focused on footwork and the release. My scores were not terrific, but I had good timing and a clean release for the most part. The scoring will be there (I hope!).
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Re: Bowling Practice Challenge
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2013, 07:47:21 AM »
Why should a bowler who only bowls in leagues (currently) practice on a shot he/she will never see? 

I have somewhat defended the AMF/Bowlmor situation and am hoping things work out with them.  But early indications are they will only oil before a league and will only oil the lanes used by the league.  (may not be true at all locations)  So in theory, some lanes could possibly never see oil, or at least not everyday.  And if a center doesn't have weekend leagues, then the center doesn't see oil between Thursday night leagues and Monday night leagues since they eliminated Friday night leagues. 

So a bowler goes to practice on a Sunday morning.  The lanes haven't been oiled since Thursday perhaps.  A majority of balls thrown have been plastic house balls up the middle of the lane.  And this bowler is suppose to use this as "experience"?

Zanatos, do not put up with this situation.  It is one thing to practice on difficult shots if you think you will actually see those conditions.  It is another thing to try and justify bowling on crap for practice in the name of experience.  The only thing I can think that would be worthy of my time on that type of condition is spare shooting and only if I throw a plastic ball straight at all of my spares.

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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2013, 09:33:16 AM »
Totally disagree with you Spmcgivern!

Learning to bowl on "crap" as you call it, is what gives a true bowler the edge over a regular house bowler. I have been practicing on "crap".......burnt up house shots; poorly conditioned regular shots; and spotty house conditions for about 4-5 years now. If I had your attitude, every time I'd go to a tournament and encountered those low volume conditions......I'd might as well pack up and go home!

The experience of bowling on those conditions gives you confidence, and makes it a more comfortable action for you. Because of the experiences of practicing on those conditions, frustration is lessened and the whole event is more pleasureable.

Zanatos if you are truly trying to improve your game, keep practicing with your two balls only. It will really make you better. If you just consider yourself an ordinary house hack, then by all means go and complain.

I have a library of well over one hundred balls myself. Some of my high performance stuff I have only used, once or twice. Unfortunately, the bowling environment of today's centers doesn't allow me to use all of my equipment. But........having said that......when I go to tournaments and see the conditions you describe.....I am very comfortable.......and I almost always cash!!

Either way it is your choice! But it also is a mind set.
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Re: Bowling Practice Challenge
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2013, 09:50:53 AM »
spmcgivern's Reply #9 has merit. The limitation with my above comments is that they were based upon my local perspectives, and here all the centers keep their lanes oiled to one degree or another — which is to say I've never experienced a truly dry lane.

My apologies to Zanatos1914 for ignoring / failing to confirm the actual differences between your league and practice conditions.

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Why a House would not keep their lanes at least somewhat oiled is beyond me, because doing so accelerates wear and tear — which creates high future costs in lieu of saving a few pennies in present operating costs. In short, the math doesn't work. If that's the case, the owner is either in financial trouble or just appearing to be in the bowling business while hoping for appreciated land values and zoning changes.

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I have no comments on AMF/Bowlmor, for nothing here has changed — except heightened speculations. Here, they always put down a fresh shot for the evening leagues. My favorite House is an independent. They strip-'n-oil for every AM/PM league. Mid-day leagues are relatively small and play on 2nd shift conditions, as do all late-night bowlers. 2nd shift conditions are what I practice on. My big disappointment is with the B-Zones, which apply fresh oil every morning then overlays from then on — sometimes multiple overlays. This means their evening league lanes are highly irregular, depending upon the day's activities/usage. One lane may have way too much oil and the next not enough, so you're constantly shifting between balls — which is not what I prefer to do as I will only tote 3 for a common league. For this reason, I refuse to bowl any more leagues there, although they're good for morning practice.

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Jesse James post brings up another whole issue: that of "real" bowlers  :o vs. a regular house bowler vs. a league bowler vs. a sport league bowler. I've been supposing that Zanatos1914 is wanting to be a really good league bowler, and there's not a darn thing wrong with that — not second or third class one bit.     

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Re: Bowling Practice Challenge
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2013, 12:57:28 PM »
Totally disagree with you Spmcgivern!

Learning to bowl on "crap" as you call it, is what gives a true bowler the edge over a regular house bowler. I have been practicing on "crap".......burnt up house shots; poorly conditioned regular shots; and spotty house conditions for about 4-5 years now. If I had your attitude, every time I'd go to a tournament and encountered those low volume conditions......I'd might as well pack up and go home!

The experience of bowling on those conditions gives you confidence, and makes it a more comfortable action for you. Because of the experiences of practicing on those conditions, frustration is lessened and the whole event is more pleasureable.

Zanatos if you are truly trying to improve your game, keep practicing with your two balls only. It will really make you better. If you just consider yourself an ordinary house hack, then by all means go and complain.

I have a library of well over one hundred balls myself. Some of my high performance stuff I have only used, once or twice. Unfortunately, the bowling environment of today's centers doesn't allow me to use all of my equipment. But........having said that......when I go to tournaments and see the conditions you describe.....I am very comfortable.......and I almost always cash!!

Either way it is your choice! But it also is a mind set.

You don't have to agree.  But bowling on second or third shift shots from tournament play is not the same thing as bowling on a two-day old league shot with tons of open play on them.

I am not saying there isn't merit in bowling on difficult or worn out shots.  Zanatos has been on here trying to get a grip on how to become a better bowler but is having difficulty with the bowling center situation he has (AMF/Bowlmor).  If I go to my center, which happens to be an AMF/Bowlmor center, I would not be able to practice.  They only oil lanes used by leagues so it makes no sense in using the lanes next to leagues.  If I wanted to bowl on the left overs after league, I have less than half an hour to bowl since they close at 10pm.  If I go on the weekends, they haven't been oiled since the last league on Thursday so that is useless. 

But here is what I am getting at.  Zanatos needs to take control of the situation.  Get with the GM of the center to see what his options are.  Will they oil the lanes once during the weekend?  This gives league bowlers a chance to practice on what they actually encounter.  Will they oil all the lanes on league nights so some lanes are available for people to practice on (and pre/post-bowl)?  The only way to find out is to ask.  See what would be required on the customer's side to get these practices in place. 

If all else fails, Zanatos may have to move to a different center or at least practice in one.  But at no time will I say bowling on "crap" as I have described as being beneficial.  You cannot convince me of that.