Post by: dicnic on March 09, 2003, 03:47:21 AM
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Post by: brimar on March 09, 2003, 06:56:14 PM
Post by: TyLytle on March 09, 2003, 07:02:49 PM
(or is that Pontiac). Anyway.. I like watching them, if it was just a more exciting atmosphere..
Ty
Post by: michelle on March 09, 2003, 07:21:22 PM
Dicnic...if it is any consolation, there are members that would not shed a tear if hose were no longer a part of the dress code. I know one regional member that has joked about just adding in the fine to the weekend expense and was just going to hand it over to the regional director...she hasn't done it yet though...and I am not going to name the region
I don't have a problem with the shorts, and am just glad that the skirt requirement went by the wayside several years back.As to crowd excitement, I have to wonder how much prize fund contributes to the manner in which fans get involved. Just musing out loud, but it is probably easier for the fans to get involved when it is $40-100K on the line as opposed to a 1st place check that is substantially less. Let's face it, WRW took home a check today that is larger than the proposed prize fund for one of our entire events...
Another factor, again just musing, might be the live nature of the PBA telecasts as opposed to the taped shows that we had most of last few seasons.
Rest assured, though, that things will look a little different on your viewing screen if I can crack a top five anytime this year
Post by: TyLytle on March 09, 2003, 07:27:53 PM
Ty
Post by: DON DRAPER on March 09, 2003, 07:46:23 PM
Post by: mumzie on March 09, 2003, 08:05:30 PM
You and me both!!!
About the telecasts, I mean...I wouldn't cry too hard if the panty hose rule went away, but - I live in Oregon, and have the typical "Oregon Tan" (read really white skin...) so I don't think that the spectators would love the look with shorts.
And - on the other side of the discussion - the PWBA is the only organization left for women's bowling that requires this kind of dress code. I kinda think it sets them apart a bit.
And - another thing - regarding the telecasts. PWBA telecasts are under produced, boring, and I personally watch them with the sound off...
the men can be a little TOO energetic and psyched up, but it's interesting to hear what they have to say.
Post by: HamPster on March 09, 2003, 08:10:46 PM
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H-A-M-S-T-E-R!!! No P!!! TRUST ME, I KNOW!!!
Once again, the HAMSTER kills a post . . .
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Post by: Brickguy221 on March 09, 2003, 08:13:49 PM
Post by: striknbarb on March 09, 2003, 08:46:28 PM
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Post by: DON DRAPER on March 09, 2003, 09:10:07 PM
Post by: Brian362 on March 09, 2003, 09:26:39 PM
Is it because the $$$ isn't there to attract the talented amateurs? I think the increased prize fund helped get those mega buck amateurs to start participating.
My point is, that seeing one telecast seems like you've seem them all. I watch a lot of bowling and couldn't even tell you when that even t was held they rebroadcast today?
I'd hate to see the ladies tour fold.
What can I do to help? I watch all the tournaments and have even been to one a while ago in Richmond Va.
I can learn just as much from the women as I can from the men.
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Post by: charlest on March 10, 2003, 03:29:57 AM
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What time do the matches come on ?
I see posts about them but don't get up til 11:30 or 12 on sundays pacific time, then i got work at 2.
Too late. This was the last one until next October. Where have you been?
They've been on Sundays at the same time, 9 weeks out of 10, since last October.
12:30 PM Eastern time on ESPN on Sundays.
Post by: DON DRAPER on March 10, 2003, 04:47:05 AM
Post by: Smash49 on March 10, 2003, 06:06:38 AM
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Post by: The Hose on March 10, 2003, 06:36:55 AM
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Dicnic...if it is any consolation, there are members that would not shed a tear if hose were no longer a part of the dress code.
FOR EVERYONE'S INFORMATION: I AM NOT PART OF THE PWBA DREE CODE!
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Post by: Rommaker on March 10, 2003, 06:46:21 AM
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The greatest bowler of all time, Earl Anthony, would never lower himself to this childish behavior. Even the great competitior that is Mark Roth never would do these things. The greatest matches ever, ever, ever, was when Roth and Anthony would bowl head to head.
How about the Roth/Holman matchups? In his heyday, Holman was a firecracker looking for a place to go off ... but Roth was just bad to the bone.
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Post by: The Hose on March 10, 2003, 06:49:46 AM
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Post by: seadrive on March 10, 2003, 06:50:27 AM
On the PWBA show, they'd have you believe that every shot that didn't strike was a result of "The Transition". "She'll have to make an adjustment on that lane." Yeah, right. Like the show where Wendy kept trying to throw it in the gutter but couldn't, due to the incredible friction outside of 5.
If the PWBA could replace Jan Schmidt and Dorin-Lizzi/Dorin-Ballard/Adler with Dave Ryan and Randy Pedersen, that alone would improve the broadcasts by at least 100%. Then, get Dorin-Ballard to give the other gals a few pointers about looking like you actually care whether or not you win the damn match, and maybe we'd have something worth watching.
Let's hope the PWBA can get it together this year. It's a long time between now and next October, and I really, really, really want to watch some professional bowling between now and then. Watching the clowns on my Thursday night league spray the ball over the place for strikes really doesn't cut it.
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Post by: Strider on March 10, 2003, 06:54:58 AM
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I can't wait to see Dave Arnold get in someone's face or give the crowd the finger.
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Post by: JoeBowler on March 10, 2003, 07:08:24 AM
Walter Ray's enthusiasm is contrived but not over the top.
Parker Bohn has always behaved professionally.
Voss I love his game but many of his antics seem contrived and childish.
I had no problems with Kretzer other than the language.
Pete was somewhat subdued for Pete, again the language.
I always wanted to see Holman and Ernie Schlegal get beat. And in particular Holman beat himself because of his emotional outbursts.
I like to see intensity and enthusiasm but you don't have to be obnoxious while doing it.
Post by: Bjaardker on March 10, 2003, 09:21:17 AM
It's not the bowling that is boring, it's the production & the commentary that really kill the show. I was watching the last event of last season, the "skins" game they had. It could have been a great show with the announcers sitting down with the players & having normal banter. Instead of the normal banter they should have been having there was silence accompanied by some contrived/forced commentary. Then when there was actual conversation THEY WEREN'T MIC'D!
A few suggestions to the PWBA:
1) Your asthetics SUCK. Put up some pretty decorations & lights, make the show pleasing to the eye. I can watch people bowl at my local house, but I want to see a show.
2) Mic the players. 2 small wireless mics dont cost much, heck the local high school has 3 of them for their spring musical. I want to hear what they are saying under their breath. Let us into their psyche.
3) Get new commentators. I like Kimbo, personally I think that if she had a most interesting commentator to work with she could shine. Another idea could be a coed booth. A male play by play & a female color commentary. This way they could play off of each other, possibly use it as a way to explain more about women's bowling. The people covering the event make the show. Why do you think ABC paid so much for John Madden. Trust me, it wasn't for his genius insight into the game.
4) Hire a few fashion & image consultants. I know that these women could be beautiful. But the camera is wicked & evil. Help out these ladies with proper camera makeup. On the fashion side, NO ONE wears shorts & hose like that anymore. PLEASE let these ladies wear decent clothing. I would love to see them be able to express more of themselves, & that starts with how they look.
Hopefully they will address some of these for the next season.
Post by: charlest on March 10, 2003, 11:53:04 AM
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I can't wait to see Dave Arnold get in someone's face or give the crowd the finger.
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They call The Hose
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Hose, you've been gone too long; glad to see you posting again!!
That crack that you are not part of the PWBA Dress code is just too precious and a great opening for a 30 minutes comedy sketch. I mean, why would you want to wrap yourself around .... (If I say anymore, I'll get a well deserved nasty-gram from Scott or Leftside.)
Post by: charlest on March 10, 2003, 11:57:52 AM
Post by: seadrive on March 10, 2003, 12:09:46 PM
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Post by: gripitandripit on March 10, 2003, 12:16:25 PM
Post by: Jeff Carter on March 10, 2003, 08:06:18 PM
As far as the ladies tour goes i really feel sorry for the players. I have a lot of close friends their and they dont know what they will do. The PWBA is in danger of not making and i really wish the new PBA owners will rescue it. Their ratings have always been good and the product is excellent. Their tour stops from start to finish are every bit as good as the mens. Unfortunatley they only have 30-40 entries each week and they are bolwing for spare change. I think that if the prize funds get better and the entries go up you will see more emotion from the ladies. You are already starting to see it in Carolyn, Kelly and Kendra. The other problem they have is marketing. I dont want to sound sexist but they need to take advantage of their appearance more. There are some beautiful women on the tour and i think they can market that. It may not be the proper thing to do, but at this point they have to try something.
Sorry to be so long winded
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Post by: theHHHgame on March 10, 2003, 11:35:46 PM
I know that personally I bowl with the emotions of any PBA bowler I hate to lose and that drives me to win if i throw a bad ball i cuss at myself with no intentions of hurting anyones feelings. I love the new PBA all though some of it is annoying at times and some of those bowlers do appear to be forcing reactions, AND NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS PDW IS A GOOD BOWLER AND GOOD FOR THE PBA
Post by: HamPster on March 11, 2003, 01:44:59 PM
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H-A-M-S-T-E-R!!! No P!!! TRUST ME, I KNOW!!!
Once again, the HAMSTER kills a post . . .
Watch out, Tubs, the miniature greatness is coming . . .
Post by: iron chariots 02 on March 12, 2003, 06:17:34 PM
i like the new format of the pba and the fact that they allow
the bowlers to be themselves. i think its wrong to say that
showing some emotion is unprofessional even though pete's
crotch chop has grown somewhat old. no sport would prosper if
you didn't have teams that you like and teams that you hate and
bowling is no different. its the mixture of personalities such as
dave arnold at one end of the spectrum vs. pete weber at the other
end that makes thing interesting. if there were only one or the
other the telecast would grow tiresome very quickly.
while it would be nice to go back to the days where you could leave
your front door unlocked and had no idea why someone would need to
put an alarm on their car we have to accept that times are changing.
most athletes thrive on emotion and adrenaline and i have no problem with
them showing it as long as its natural and wasn't rehearsed. i can remember earl anthony sitting stone faced no matter whether he won or lost a match
and i couldn't help but think that he didn't really enjoy his job and that he only bowled for a living because he was good at it.
for anyone who has a problem with the behavior of some of the bowlers today:
if your livelihood was based on how well you bowled in league would you be as
calm, cool and collected if you didn't perform as well as you'd like?