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Mighty Fish

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Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« on: April 20, 2014, 05:14:59 PM »
It's an oft-repeated (and obvious) story, but one week of modern-day scoring obliterates past full seasons of high scores, as this report clearly shows.

http://www.examiner.com/article/grether-s-300-aleshire-s-806-and-2-women-s-700s-reflect-modern-high-score-tempo?cid=db_articles

 

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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2014, 05:50:46 PM »
Your story doesn't mention what oil machine was used in 1975 or the type of oil patterns used.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

northface28

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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2014, 11:02:15 PM »
Your agenda continues.......
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Mighty Fish

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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2014, 02:22:03 PM »
Your agenda continues.......
Dear northface28:

So just what do you perceive my "agenda" to be? And why do you apparently find such an article objectionable?

kidlost2000

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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2014, 02:24:03 PM »
You still haven't mentioned what oil machine was used back then.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

Mighty Fish

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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2014, 02:50:37 PM »
You still haven't mentioned what oil machine was used back then.
Dear kidlost2000:

What machines were used -- or how the oil was put down -- wouldn't have mattered that much 40 years ago, assuming of course, that the lanes were dressed in compliance with ABC rules then in existence, which provided for an even distribution of oil across the full surface of the lane.

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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2014, 02:56:12 PM »
Kidlost,

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Fish,

Don't get all high and mighty like it was harder to hit the pocket back then.  Every old timer I've ever spoken with says that lanes have always been easy.  Carry has gotten better.   

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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2014, 03:06:51 PM »
His agenda is to bash the USBC, along with bowling.

Mighty Fish

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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2014, 03:08:48 PM »
Fish,

Don't get all high and mighty like it was harder to hit the pocket back then.  Every old timer I've ever spoken with says that lanes have always been easy.  Carry has gotten better. 
Dear itsallaboutme:

How can you say that the lanes -- at least in my area -- have always been easy when the high game in the entire association during a full season (in a total of 12 centers) was a 279 by John Bancs? And how can the lanes have been too easy when EIGHT SEASONS transpired between perfect games?

Further, would you consider Sarasota Lanes to be easy when (a) not one perfect game was rolled there between 1962 and 1980, and (b) it took the first 16 years of the house's history before I rolled a 732 that represented the very first 700+ series ever rolled in league there?

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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2014, 03:10:34 PM »
His agenda is to bash the USBC, along with bowling.
Dear sevenpin63:

Just how is anything mentioned in the column (or anything I've stated in this, or any other thread) so-called "USBC bashing"?

sevenpin63

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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2014, 03:24:14 PM »
His agenda is to bash the USBC, along with bowling.
Dear sevenpin63:

Just how is anything mentioned in the column (or anything I've stated in this, or any other thread) so-called "USBC bashing"?

We all know your history.

itsallaboutme

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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2014, 03:25:54 PM »
I didn't bowl in the 70's but every person I know that did says it was never hard to hit the pocket.  Just hard to carry.  Even in the 80's with urethane very rarely was it hard to hit the pocket. 

Carry is a different story.

kidlost2000

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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2014, 05:01:08 PM »
I hate USBC for different reasons but that has nothing to do with today's scores.

My point is simply nothing today is remotely close to what it was 40 years ago. Automatic score machines, pin setters, and oil machine technology are all huge advancements in the game. In most cases it was created and used after 1975.

Knowledge and comprehension of bowling and the science behind why things do what they do is also relatively new in the past 10-15 years.

If everybody today went back to 1975 bowling ball technology in less then a year scores will still be higher then they were at that time.

The game has different levels of difficulty for those who seek to find it.

Done.

…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2014, 05:11:01 PM »
I name numerous situations in the 70's and 80's before today's perceived explosion with equipment that rival today's scoring...do you think the lanes were tough when the Budweiser's shot 3858 in '58?
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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2014, 06:27:55 PM »
Ok Bill, we get it, you were a very good bowler. So was I. Thing is,NOBODY GIVES A F**K!

Allie Brandt was good. Glen Allison was good. Many thousands of other bowlers have been good. Nobody cared then, and nobody cares now, other than to remember.

 History is the word. It is the definition of things that used to be. You and I are a part of it.   Things used to be different in the bowling world, but they are not the same now, things have changed, and history is something to be looked at and remembered, not touted as the way it should be.

 Let the past go Bill. I had to, and you should too. Holding on to it will make you bitter, hateful, and resentful. And worse, it will make you irrelevant.
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