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Mighty Fish

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Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« on: April 20, 2014, 05:14:59 PM »
It's an oft-repeated (and obvious) story, but one week of modern-day scoring obliterates past full seasons of high scores, as this report clearly shows.

http://www.examiner.com/article/grether-s-300-aleshire-s-806-and-2-women-s-700s-reflect-modern-high-score-tempo?cid=db_articles

 

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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #46 on: April 26, 2014, 05:24:52 PM »
That demonstrates that, whereas there are quite a few high scores, only a very few -- outside of the best players and shotmakers -- score at a high level.

That is how it should be at the Open
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Agreed ... and I wouldn't mind if all lane conditions were similar to that utilized by the USBC Open.

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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #47 on: April 26, 2014, 05:50:22 PM »
Scoring is and always will be relative which most do not care to realize...no matter where an event may be contested the cream usually rise to the top

And where too many want to blame they need to blame ability & talent for not being able to compete
« Last Edit: April 26, 2014, 05:51:55 PM by JustRico »
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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #48 on: April 27, 2014, 06:28:14 AM »
Like Rico says, scoring is always relative, but that relativity relationship is constantly changing with each new advent in the bowling world.

 Back when rubber balls were still being used a lot, I was learning. When polyester was king, I was considered very good. I had a hard time making the adjustment to urethane (because it hooked so much more) but finally did, and have never been able to fully make enough changes in MY game to be able to utilize the full potential of the resin ball era.

 While averages, and scores, have skyrocketed around me, I am still at about the same average level I was at 25 years ago. Scoring is relative to ones ability to utilize the environment you compete in.

 I was able to manipulate the scoring environment I came up in very well, but cannot do that at the same level with the environment today. Slower speed, early roll release, and hitting the ball on the upstroke was very natural for me, so the game was actually easier for me BEFORE all the technological changes. My game was based on an entirely different set of parameters than those conducive to today's environment, and it shows.

 Back then, I was a power to be reckoned with. Everything it took to score well, I did naturally. Today, a lot of what comes naturally to me is counter productive to scoring, so knowledge has helped keep me in the game, but all the "improvements" have done little or nothing for me.

 Scoring is all relative to the baseline. When the baseline changes, so do the people who are able to best manipulate the "new" parameters.
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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #49 on: April 27, 2014, 08:25:14 AM »
Like Rico says, scoring is always relative, but that relativity relationship is constantly changing with each new advent in the bowling world.

 Back when rubber balls were still being used a lot, I was learning. When polyester was king, I was considered very good. I had a hard time making the adjustment to urethane (because it hooked so much more) but finally did, and have never been able to fully make enough changes in MY game to be able to utilize the full potential of the resin ball era.

 While averages, and scores, have skyrocketed around me, I am still at about the same average level I was at 25 years ago. Scoring is relative to ones ability to utilize the environment you compete in.

 I was able to manipulate the scoring environment I came up in very well, but cannot do that at the same level with the environment today. Slower speed, early roll release, and hitting the ball on the upstroke was very natural for me, so the game was actually easier for me BEFORE all the technological changes. My game was based on an entirely different set of parameters than those conducive to today's environment, and it shows.

 Back then, I was a power to be reckoned with. Everything it took to score well, I did naturally. Today, a lot of what comes naturally to me is counter productive to scoring, so knowledge has helped keep me in the game, but all the "improvements" have done little or nothing for me.

 Scoring is all relative to the baseline. When the baseline changes, so do the people who are able to best manipulate the "new" parameters.

Well put, Darreyl.
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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #50 on: April 27, 2014, 08:46:12 AM »
It's funny how adapting is never considered a talent or given credit...
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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #51 on: April 27, 2014, 09:45:00 AM »
It's funny how adapting is never considered a talent or given credit...

No one ever said it wasn't. It's just that some of us just don't have those physical abilities, even more so as we get older. It's not as if Darreyl and I haven't been trying. It is what it is; we try to deal with it as well as we can.
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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #52 on: April 27, 2014, 10:42:47 AM »
That wasn't a personal attack on anyone it was a statement towards others not giving credit to those that have been able to adapt to the changing environments over the years...
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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #53 on: April 27, 2014, 11:23:05 AM »
That wasn't a personal attack on anyone it was a statement towards others not giving credit to those that have been able to adapt to the changing environments over the years...
... and the proprietors and lanemen have "adapted" also.

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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #54 on: April 27, 2014, 11:32:45 AM »
Dude what is your issue? The game has changed & evolved and you haven't? The game is what it is...the separation between the classes has changed as well...everybody has choices....you either accept and adapt or quit but leave the damn horse alone & peacefully dead...or buy a bowling center...dress the lanes as you see fit & only allow the equipment you deem acceptable and GOOD LUCK
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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #55 on: April 27, 2014, 11:42:19 AM »
You want to complaing about scoring?  Blame to bowling public, the proprietor is just giving them what they want.

Joe average bowler likes to throw it wide, watch his ball hook 14 feet, and throw pins everywhere.  Oh, and if he tugs it 10 boards, it should sit there and strike too.

I'd guess maybe 2-3% of league bowlers want to be challenged.  The average guy wants to drink, hang with his friends, and average 180-200 bowling 3 games a week.
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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #56 on: April 27, 2014, 11:45:30 AM »
Bring back manual score keeping, human pin setters, oil the lanes by hand, and only bowling balls using pancake weight blocks.

Then you have everything.
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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #57 on: April 27, 2014, 12:15:51 PM »
Can we sum this entire thread up by saying that scores are higher when there is a bigger build up of oil in the middle, and relatively less on the outside part of the lane.  The point is that it is still relative so long as everyone is playing on the same condition.  If I cant throw a strong enough ball to carry on the softer conditions whose problem is it. 

I have bowled many hundreds of scratch tournaments over the years.  I can count on one hand the number of times  that the guys who executed the best were not at the top.  Have I seen lots of sprayers score high and win?  Absolutely, but they weren't usually spraying on that particular day.  Remember the old blind squirrel and acorn adage. 

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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #58 on: April 27, 2014, 01:32:52 PM »
Dude what is your issue? The game has changed & evolved and you haven't? The game is what it is...the separation between the classes has changed as well...everybody has choices....you either accept and adapt or quit but leave the damn horse alone & peacefully dead...or buy a bowling center...dress the lanes as you see fit & only allow the equipment you deem acceptable and GOOD LUCK
Dear JustRico:

Why do you apparently insist on making this a personal issue?

I fully realize that the game has changed. In my opinion, many of the changes haven't been for the better, but I respect your opinion on the matter, even though you don't seem to respect mine.

Again, the column wasn't written to "exploit an agenda" (or whatever your contention is). It was to REPORT on the rather large number of high scores at the seven centers in my area. And the column didn't venture opinions as to whether the modern-day scoring levels were good or bad, although you seem to be making an assumption that I'm complaining about the high scores.

You (and others) should be pleased that I continue to give a weekly recap of high scores, in view of the fact that no area newspapers even mention local bowlers' high scores, even when someone rolls a perfect game or an 800 series. Rather, you try to find some fault with my articles.

From a personal perspective, I admit that that my average didn't increase at all when the THS conditions replaced the old-time conditions, but I know it is due to the fact that I couldn't adapt my game to the new conditions, and that's MY fault and no one else's. And lane conditions don't affect me any longer, as multiple foot surgeries forced me to quit bowling several years back.

Nevertheless, thanks for stating your opinion(s), although I feel you could do so on a less-personal basis. GOOD LUCK to you, as well.

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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #59 on: April 27, 2014, 01:35:24 PM »
You want to complaing about scoring?  Blame to bowling public, the proprietor is just giving them what they want.

Joe average bowler likes to throw it wide, watch his ball hook 14 feet, and throw pins everywhere.  Oh, and if he tugs it 10 boards, it should sit there and strike too.

I'd guess maybe 2-3% of league bowlers want to be challenged.  The average guy wants to drink, hang with his friends, and average 180-200 bowling 3 games a week.
Dear Mongo:

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Re: Old-time and modern-day scoring levels: not even close
« Reply #60 on: April 28, 2014, 07:46:46 AM »
Mighty Fish,

Though you say you were just REPORTING, why is it when you report information other than just the scores, you run into opinions you say you are not trying to incite.  It seems to me you need the banter to justify your column and your supposed reporting which can be more of an op ed. 

Do us a favor, report JUST SCORES and see if you get the same reaction.  According to you, we would all find something to complain about, yet I think you would get zero comments and zero hits.  Prove me wrong.