OK then Bill, here comes the hard part.

 Learn to move on from it.

 I do not have a grudge against you, nor do I think you should  not report the scores in your area leagues and tournaments. What I am saying is, you need to change the perspective of where you are reporting from.

 Stop reporting "now vs then" type stuff. What we did was great, but also a bit irrelevant with the way the game has changed, and for you to continue down that path is going to be nothing but detrimental to you.

 You, and I, are enthusiastic about the "old days". Problem is, the "old days" are in the past now, and must be viewed that way. They aren't even a reference point anymore, and what happened back then has no bearing on what happens today. Sort of like it would've been for us if people kept telling us that we weren't REALLY good, because we weren't using a Lignum Vitae ball, the new guys get tired of being told that they're not good because they aren't using a polyester ball as well.

 People like you, me, and Mr. Taylor are a bygone remembrance of a former time, when things were very different. Mr. Taylor was not listened to then, and we can't/won't be heard today. At least Mr. Taylor was still in a relevant period of time. We are no longer in one.

 Bowling stopped being about bowling a long time ago. The focus shifted from bowling, to profit margins and power. When the people in charge (and I don't mean just the ABC/USBC) start to put their personal gains and well being first, and make the actual bowling secondary in importance, bowling can't do anything BUT continue to spiral downwards until it hits the bottom. I believe we are almost there.

 Old men (like us) have either gotten out of the way of, or been run over by, the future, for as long as humanity has been civilized.

 I (finally) got out of the way. Are you going to move, or get run over?

 It is one, or the other, because it sure isn't going to stop OR slow down. It reminds me of the old cartoon I saw as a kid. A guy at the top of the mountain rolled a tiny snowball down the side. By the time it got half way down, it was huge and unstoppable. From there, it destroyed everything in its path, wreaking devastation, and finally destroying itself as well when it hit bottom.

 As many others have decided, I would rather watch.

 Don't get me wrong, I still care. Just nothing I can do anymore.

Dear Juggernaut:

Thanks for your comments and concerns regarding my bowling coverage, but your perspective is GREATLY skewed -- or perhaps, you've been listening to Long Gone Daddy a little too much.

You and Long Gone Daddy make it sound as if I constantly harp on modern-day scoring levels, and that's A LONG WAY from the truth. I write a weekly high-score report from area centers, but it has been A LONG TIME since any of those reports compared old-time and modern-day scoring. And if you don't believe it, take a quick glance at the subject of all my columns, and it will affirm what I'm saying.

A link to all of my columns ... www.examiner.com/bowling-in-st-petersburg/bill-herald

You and Long Gone Daddy are only looking at a small percentage of my columns and making a judgment based on that. And again, just take a look at the contents of my numerous columns -- and I now write well over 100 columns a year -- and even my harshest critics can't logically point to an "agenda" in very many articles. And Long Gone Daddy falsely claims that my article contain a lot of "USBC bashing" ... but if you scan the past several hundred of my article, I feel it's safe to say that you won't find ANY such "bashing."

You strongly imply that I should "move on" ... but keep in mind that I'm not even able to bowl any longer, due to multiple foot surgeries, so I certainly can't "move on" with regard to on-the-lanes participation, and again, I certainly don't harp on the "THS situation" in my columns, and I see no need to change the "perspective" of my reporting.

You also say that my writing style will "be nothing but detrimental to you" ... but how is that possible? On Examiner.com, I can write as often as I want, as lengthy as I want, and importantly, WHATEVER I want ... and NO ONE at Examiner.com edits or censors anything I write. So again, "detrimental" how? To avoid negative comments by posters such as you or Long Gone Daddy? LOL.

Again, I respect your opinions, but for reasons stated above, I feel that your opinions and presumptions are skewed. As for Long Gone Daddy, I could/would never please him, no matter what I write, and even if I did write some things that appealed to him, I doubt he'd ever admit it.

I think you are missing the boat here Fish.

We have been stating that it sounds to us like you are bashing the USBC and complaining about the state of the Sport and how it was better in the old days. You may not be trying to sound like that but in our opinion you do sound like that. We can have our opinions we are entitled to them. You can write whatever you want to the contrary. But making responses to everyone that posts on your threads makes you seem like you are attempting to stir up a argument. That is why you have some difficulty here.

Quote from: Mighty Fish on May 04, 2014, 03:55:28 PM

Quote from: Juggernaut on May 04, 2014, 07:45:31 AM

OK then Bill, here comes the hard part.

 Learn to move on from it.

 I do not have a grudge against you, nor do I think you should  not report the scores in your area leagues and tournaments. What I am saying is, you need to change the perspective of where you are reporting from.

 Stop reporting "now vs then" type stuff. What we did was great, but also a bit irrelevant with the way the game has changed, and for you to continue down that path is going to be nothing but detrimental to you.

 You, and I, are enthusiastic about the "old days". Problem is, the "old days" are in the past now, and must be viewed that way. They aren't even a reference point anymore, and what happened back then has no bearing on what happens today. Sort of like it would've been for us if people kept telling us that we weren't REALLY good, because we weren't using a Lignum Vitae ball, the new guys get tired of being told that they're not good because they aren't using a polyester ball as well.

 People like you, me, and Mr. Taylor are a bygone remembrance of a former time, when things were very different. Mr. Taylor was not listened to then, and we can't/won't be heard today. At least Mr. Taylor was still in a relevant period of time. We are no longer in one.

 Bowling stopped being about bowling a long time ago. The focus shifted from bowling, to profit margins and power. When the people in charge (and I don't mean just the ABC/USBC) start to put their personal gains and well being first, and make the actual bowling secondary in importance, bowling can't do anything BUT continue to spiral downwards until it hits the bottom. I believe we are almost there.

 Old men (like us) have either gotten out of the way of, or been run over by, the future, for as long as humanity has been civilized.

 I (finally) got out of the way. Are you going to move, or get run over?

 It is one, or the other, because it sure isn't going to stop OR slow down. It reminds me of the old cartoon I saw as a kid. A guy at the top of the mountain rolled a tiny snowball down the side. By the time it got half way down, it was huge and unstoppable. From there, it destroyed everything in its path, wreaking devastation, and finally destroying itself as well when it hit bottom.

 As many others have decided, I would rather watch.

 Don't get me wrong, I still care. Just nothing I can do anymore.

Dear Juggernaut:

Thanks for your comments and concerns regarding my bowling coverage, but your perspective is GREATLY skewed -- or perhaps, you've been listening to Long Gone Daddy a little too much.

You and Long Gone Daddy make it sound as if I constantly harp on modern-day scoring levels, and that's A LONG WAY from the truth. I write a weekly high-score report from area centers, but it has been A LONG TIME since any of those reports compared old-time and modern-day scoring. And if you don't believe it, take a quick glance at the subject of all my columns, and it will affirm what I'm saying.

A link to all of my columns ... www.examiner.com/bowling-in-st-petersburg/bill-herald

You and Long Gone Daddy are only looking at a small percentage of my columns and making a judgment based on that. And again, just take a look at the contents of my numerous columns -- and I now write well over 100 columns a year -- and even my harshest critics can't logically point to an "agenda" in very many articles. And Long Gone Daddy falsely claims that my article contain a lot of "USBC bashing" ... but if you scan the past several hundred of my article, I feel it's safe to say that you won't find ANY such "bashing."

You strongly imply that I should "move on" ... but keep in mind that I'm not even able to bowl any longer, due to multiple foot surgeries, so I certainly can't "move on" with regard to on-the-lanes participation, and again, I certainly don't harp on the "THS situation" in my columns, and I see no need to change the "perspective" of my reporting.

You also say that my writing style will "be nothing but detrimental to you" ... but how is that possible? On Examiner.com, I can write as often as I want, as lengthy as I want, and importantly, WHATEVER I want ... and NO ONE at Examiner.com edits or censors anything I write. So again, "detrimental" how? To avoid negative comments by posters such as you or Long Gone Daddy? LOL.

Again, I respect your opinions, but for reasons stated above, I feel that your opinions and presumptions are skewed. As for Long Gone Daddy, I could/would never please him, no matter what I write, and even if I did write some things that appealed to him, I doubt he'd ever admit it.

The TRUTH is hard for some people to accept.  In some cases, impossible

I think you are missing the boat here Fish.

We have been stating that it sounds to us like you are bashing the USBC and complaining about the state of the Sport and how it was better in the old days.

Dear mainzer:

All you, Long Gone Daddy and Good Times are doing is rehashing your anti-Fish "talking points" ... BUT the subjects and/or contents of my columns don't bear that out. And even if you claim repeated "USBC bashing" or "anti-THS bashing", only a very small percentage of columns could be even vaguely related to such "bashing" claims. But that won't prevent you from criticizing my writing, regardless of what I write about.

Actually, if any of you were to start complimenting me on my articles, THEN I might be concerned that I'm doing something wrong, but I don't think that any of you will ever issue such compliments.

A 6 page thread where over 31% of the posts come from 1 individual.....guess he wants to get applauded for that as well. And you know what, he's right, we should applaud. It takes a lot of work to be the biggest bag of hot air on THIS site.

A 6 page thread where over 31% of the posts come from 1 individual.....guess he wants to get applauded for that as well. And you know what, he's right, we should applaud. It takes a lot of work to be the biggest bag of hot air on THIS site.

Dear jorge300:

Also keep in mind that after the original post, all of my subsequent posts have been in response to others' comments, and at least, I responded in a respectful manner (without a personal agenda or tone, unlike so many of your posts).

Maybe the most important observation made in  this entire thread is about only bowlers whipping themselves and calling it cheating to take advantage of technology.  I have never heard any PGA pros complain about 460 cc drivers that allow them to swing from their heals because the sweet spot is so big that even mis hits can stay in play.

More sour grapes among better bowlers  than any sport.  I hear all these stories about guys quitting because the game is too easy.  Never met one, unless you are talking about the game being too easy for the other guy. 

I have been their myself, so I am not guilt free.  When the power players took over the game in the 80's all I did was complain, and didn't make the adjustments that could have kept me competitive.  It wasn't their fault that they could shoot a lot more big scores with their style than I could. 

Maybe the most important observation made in  this entire thread is about only bowlers whipping themselves and calling it cheating to take advantage of technology.  I have never heard any PGA pros complain about 460 cc drivers that allow them to swing from their heals because the sweet spot is so big that even mis hits can stay in play.

More sour grapes among better bowlers  than any sport.  I hear all these stories about guys quitting because the game is too easy.  Never met one, unless you are talking about the game being too easy for the other guy. 

I have been their myself, so I am not guilt free.  When the power players took over the game in the 80's all I did was complain, and didn't make the adjustments that could have kept me competitive.  It wasn't their fault that they could shoot a lot more big scores with their style than I could.

I recently made a similar post on here in another thread.  Only in bowling do we whip ourselves over becoming better and learning how to bowl better and take what the lanes and equipment provide us.

Quote from: Long Gone Daddy on May 05, 2014, 02:38:17 PM

Go read Miss Manners if you're that concerned about ettiquette.   Juggernaut and Avabob posted succinct responses that show how 99% of the people on here feel about your "reporting" but you refuse to accept it.

Dear Long Gone Daddy:

IF your assumption is correct -- which I seriously doubt -- that would mean that 99 percent of the people on here ACTUALLY READ MY COLUMNS, and if they do, that's obviously a good thing from my perspective.

On the other hand, if 99 percent of people on here have a negative opinion of my writings WITHOUT READING THEM, such opinions would have NO MERIT whatsoever, especially when such opinions are offered by people taking pot shots at me behind anonymous screen names.

Another thought comes to mind. YOU, of all people, accuse me of "bashing" something or other, when YOU are obviously one of the biggest "bashers" in the forum. And you do something I don't do, in that I don't issue personal attacks against other posters.

Have a good evening, and thanks for your comments.

Yeah.  That's what its all about, isn't it?  Clicks.  Attention.  Bad pub is better than no pub.  Doesn't matter how many people are alienated.  Doesn't matter how many people say "here we go again".   Thanks for verifying what has always been thought about you.

BTW, attention whore.  Don't mis-read what I wrote.  99% of people on here do NOT
read what you post, but of those that do read it 99% feel your negativity towards bowling and don't see the "impartiality" to your so-called "reporting".   

Glad I made you day.  Have a great night.