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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Siniak on May 09, 2003, 01:04:52 AM

Title: PAP movement
Post by: Siniak on May 09, 2003, 01:04:52 AM

I was playing about today looking for my pap and trying different releases and something wierd happened with my usual release.

After I had found my pap (using my diesel ) I threw a couple of shots with my usual release and I noticed something I've never seen before when marking out my pap on a ball.

The pap would stay still for the first part of lane (like always) then the ball flared and the pap ended up on the ball track, only for a couple of rotations then it would flare back to near the original position.

I've never seen that happen before, so my question is if anyone knows what causes it. My own suggestions include topping the ball or not clearing the thumb properly, since it stopped when I tried a release more up the back of the ball.

Title: Re: PAP movement
Post by: Bjaardker on May 09, 2003, 05:22:12 PM

I'm almost sure that is a pretty common thing.

I wish I had the website where they showed the "3 parts to a roll"

They had video of a person throwing a storm soccer ball with one of the black patches on his PAP.

Hopefully someone else will chime in with that website.

Probably just the drilling of the ball in conjunction with that release.

Title: Re: PAP movement
Post by: Scratch on May 09, 2003, 05:32:58 PM

BJ, here is the link you are talking about:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kennmelvin/vSoccer.htm
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Title: Re: PAP movement
Post by: Buzzhead on May 09, 2003, 07:11:52 PM

I think you are seeing a asymetrical core ball going into its roll. I think symetrical cores do not do this to the extent of a high flaring ball. I may be wrong here. Your PAP should stay close to what the beginning of the shot looks like until the ball catches the dry and goes into its hook roll stage, then it is the core trying to straighten itself out.  Am I right guys? or not? I know my pap shifts when my ball sets up to hook or roll, and I think somewhere I heard that this was what was happening...... bullred, constantine, jeffrevs, any others out there that can clear this up??

Title: Re: PAP movement
Post by: Bjaardker on May 09, 2003, 10:27:35 PM

Ahh here is the video I was looking for. It basically shows the 3 parts of the roll. I think this may be what you were seeing.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/kennmelvin/vFlare.htm

(Thanks for the link scratch)

Edited on 5/9/2003 10:25 PM

Title: Re: PAP movement
Post by: Siniak on May 09, 2003, 11:34:20 PM

Hmm that flare video illustrates it okay except you can't see the pap when the ball flares up because it's on the track. Also when it stop it doesn't go into a forward kind of roll like on the video, but instead goes back to around the initial pap placement with a slight tilt upwards.

Title: Re: PAP movement
Post by: charlest on May 11, 2003, 06:39:25 AM

To amplify slightly what bullred said, your PAP is your Initial (upon delivery) positive axis point. Flare will shift the axis as the ball progresses down the lane due to various influences.

Title: Re: PAP movement
Post by: Siniak on May 11, 2003, 11:30:17 AM

I just reread the comments and I think I'll just clarify what I meant It was the initial mark of the PAP that shifted to the ball track, not that it was spinning down the lane on the PAP. I was just surprised that it moved that much

I tried recreating it yesterday to show a friend what I meant and it seems it was the thumbhole that was the last axis before it hit the pins. The thumbslug has the same white colour as the tape so it was my eyes playing tricks on me.

Edited on 5/11/2003 11:30 AM