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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: bowler100 on July 07, 2019, 03:56:57 PM
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Other than the Visionary Midnight Scorcher, are there any other bowling balls classified as "particle" which utilized a urethane base instead of being a reactive resin?
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Probably more but one that came to mind.
http://123bowl.com/bowling-balls/ebonite/gyro-particle/
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Excuse me being behind the times but when did resin become a base rather than urethane being the base to which resins were added
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Okay, you got me! ;D I fixed it for ya.
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Love my Midnight Scorchers...the only other one that I am aware of has already been mentioned, the Ebonite Gyro Particle Urethane. I had one of those at one time, and although I liked the "shape of the shot" that I got, on the "heavier" league shot I played on that season(back 2010-2011 approx.) , the fact that it was a pancake weight block and not a full sized core was really noticeable in the hit(which is why I no longer have it)
Brad
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First particle balls appeared about 22 years ago. Brunswick, Storm, Columbia, Faball, all had popular particles. To my knowledge, all of them were urethane base, and all had some amount of resin additives.
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First particle balls appeared about 22 years ago. Brunswick, Storm, Columbia, Faball, all had popular particles. To my knowledge, all of them were urethane base, and all had some amount of resin additives.
That was what I was thinking. I never threw much of the Midnight Scorcher (it was not even my ball) and have not seen it thrown in action in about ten years (I was a teen then). I always had the impression that the urethane base combined with the particles in the Scorcher gave it a slightly distinct look on the lane compared to other high load particle balls. It appeared to hit the pins harder than any other high load particle ball. It also seemed to roll super early in the front part of the lane with a very slow (yet continuous) curve yet it hit like a tank. It also did not "stand up" in the slightest when it started to make its move.
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It also seemed to roll super early in the front part of the lane with a very slow (yet continuous) curve yet it hit like a tank. It also did not "stand up" in the slightest when it started to make its move.
sounds like that columbia epoxy ball
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I had some great luck with partcle balls in the late 90s up to about 03.. Mostly Brunswick, Deep Violet Zone, Riot Zone, Impact Zone. Also Storm El Nino. Most particles were difficult to maintain. Brunswick was better than Storm or Columbia.
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It also seemed to roll super early in the front part of the lane with a very slow (yet continuous) curve yet it hit like a tank. It also did not "stand up" in the slightest when it started to make its move.
sounds like that columbia epoxy ball
Actually, there are some parallels between the Scorcher and EPX. I don't have a Scorcher to compare to the EPX right now. I am pretty sure the Scorcher would still roll through the slickest oils much better than the EPX. On the other hand, the EPX would look more assertive in responding to dry boards compared to the Scorcher. Pretty similar shape but the EPX needs more dry boards to work but when it does hit friction, it charges left very smoothly. The EPX will out hook the Scorcher on anything except the slickest of lane conditions.
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I had some great luck with partcle balls in the late 90s up to about 03.. Mostly Brunswick, Deep Violet Zone, Riot Zone, Impact Zone. Also Storm El Nino. Most particles were difficult to maintain. Brunswick was better than Storm or Columbia.
I still throw a Storm El Nino today; I believe it is reactive. With that said, it still has a very heavy rolling arc and continuous backend. It can still work on medium volume oil patterns today. The best of the El Nino line by far!
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i brought this beat to hell fear factor to a pro shop and asked them if they wanted it and the guy said if he brought it back to the box surface it would be fuzzy
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All of the balls I mentioned including ElNino were reactive with a particle load.
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i brought this beat to hell fear factor to a pro shop and asked them if they wanted it and the guy said if he brought it back to the box surface it would be fuzzy
Many of the old Storm/Roto Grip particle balls had a fuzzy texture to it. It was the soft particles they used. Don't be fooled, most of these balls will get through the front part of the lane easily as long as you have fresh oil up front.
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i have a seek and destroy that works great for a straighter shot. i have it at 1500 polish and it has a mild skid flip.
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Ebonite Tombstone....now there was a ball with a rough surface.
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Ebonite Tombstone....now there was a ball with a rough surface.
That and the Ebonite Riptide.
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When I had more "aggressive" drillings on my Midnight Scorchers, On A Flooded sport shot I found that a similarly drilled Tombstone with same surface was very very similar to my Scorcher. The Riptide I bought used I made the mistake of putting a too "early and aggressive" drilling on it.....wanted to see how it would compare to my other oilers scorcher/tombstone/amb particle and it was literally unusable for me on anything without taming the surface all the way up. I would personally love it if one of the companies would put out a particle urethane with an aggressive core but not as aggressive as the scorcher...I'd be a buyer.
Brad
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When I had more "aggressive" drillings on my Midnight Scorchers, On A Flooded sport shot I found that a similarly drilled Tombstone with same surface was very very similar to my Scorcher. The Riptide I bought used I made the mistake of putting a too "early and aggressive" drilling on it.....wanted to see how it would compare to my other oilers scorcher/tombstone/amb particle and it was literally unusable for me on anything without taming the surface all the way up. I would personally love it if one of the companies would put out a particle urethane with an aggressive core but not as aggressive as the scorcher...I'd be a buyer.
Brad
What kind of layout did you use? Is it like a quick transition or hook/set type of layout layout?
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I have on the Riptide a 320 degree hook/set drilling...found here
http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index.php?title=Trick_Layout_Examples
I like the drilling on heavier/tougher shots because I need the help in the drilling and surface with my very low rev rate to generate a decent movement. A couple years ago or so Kegel Training Center in Lake Wales Fl marked my rev rate at 196.
For me this drilling on certain balls gives me a move to the pocket that I can't get with less "aggressive" drillings. I imagine for bowlers with much higher rev rates such a drilling would not be necessary or practical.
Brad
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I have on the Riptide a 320 degree hook/set drilling...found here
http://wiki.bowlingchat.net/wiki/index.php?title=Trick_Layout_Examples
I like the drilling on heavier/tougher shots because I need the help in the drilling and surface with my very low rev rate to generate a decent movement. A couple years ago or so Kegel Training Center in Lake Wales Fl marked my rev rate at 196.
For me this drilling on certain balls gives me a move to the pocket that I can't get with less "aggressive" drillings. I imagine for bowlers with much higher rev rates such a drilling would not be necessary or practical.
Brad
Did you put that same layout on the Tombstone and Midnight Scorcher as well? If so, it would not surprise me if the Scorcher and Tombstone were very similar for you.
As much as I would love to buy a Tombstone off of you, you have made it clear up to this point that you are not giving it up. Just let me know if you change your mind. ;)
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At one time I did have one of my 2 scorchers drilled with the 320 drilling, and I still have one of my tombstones drilled that way....since the group of tournaments I used to bowl with "extreme" patterns is no more didn't see the need to have my scorcher with that drilling so I put a much milder drilling back on it, since I was basically getting the same look from one of my tombstones. Either Tombstone I wouldn't part with, but.......my Amb Particle(16 pound) doesn't "have" to stay with me...the amb core is not the best fit for me.
Brad
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A lot of these layouts are no longer legal with x holes now banned. An assymetric ball with an mb of .014 or less may get close but I haven't tested this to come to a conclusion. I bowl about 3 - 6 games a month present day.
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Before I redrilled that Scorcher I plugged the weight hole first and then had my proshop see if it would pass the new oz ruling in effect..it didn't so it was put back to a previous milder drilling. Some balls that I have the drilling on might still be legal with the weight hole plugged and some may not....I'll cross that bridge when I absolutely have to.
Brad