Post by: bshell27 on April 14, 2008, 08:35:49 AM
1- Total Inferno
2- Total NV
3- Maxim
15 pounds, do I need to add a ball to my arsenal (I really want to get the Roto Grip Cell) but will it do any good or am I just buying to buy?
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Post by: bshell27 on April 14, 2008, 04:43:26 PM
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Post by: NicholasE on April 14, 2008, 04:45:53 PM
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Post by: Locke on April 14, 2008, 04:49:49 PM
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Post by: PBA2000 on April 14, 2008, 04:51:32 PM
Most bowlers experience anywhere from a 10-20 pin drop in there THS average on the PBA experience league. My suggestion to you is to have a heavy oil surface ball as well as a medium oil surface ball and a spare ball if you currently use one.
Keep in mind that straighter is greater. Try not to cover too many boards or you'll get yourself into trouble with splits and washouts.
Good luck and Good bowling
Post by: Joe Jr on April 14, 2008, 05:01:49 PM
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It will kick your arse. lol I avg about 210-220 on a THS but on the PBA shots im avg about 165. I guess i was just a house hack but this league will confirm how good you really are...it will lower your self confidence..lol
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WOW 50 pin difference, you must have a nice house shot.
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Post by: psaunders300 on April 14, 2008, 05:17:15 PM
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How humbled will I be in the sport shot league?
It all depends on you. How good is your spare game? With a good spare game, my average went from 205-210 on a THS to a 200 in a PBA experience league. The PBA shots are playable, you just have to find what works for you and repeat it. Going straighter definitely is better. My motto on any tough shot is keep the ball near the pocket, leave something makable and make it
. Every now and then I got on good streaks and shot some big scores (especially on the Cheetah, Scorpion and Shark patterns). I am still trying to figure out the Viper pattern...this shot kicked my butt...if not for the Viper I would be averaging about the same or better than my THS average 
Good luck to you!
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Post by: dizzyfugu on April 14, 2008, 05:23:10 PM
Besides, you do IMHO not need more or different balls. It is the player who conquers the lane, not the ball itself. With TI as an oil ball and the TNV for mediums (???) this is IMO a sufficient combo.
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Post by: bshell27 on April 14, 2008, 06:28:13 PM
My NV is longer than my Inferno, they both have similar backends. I use the inferno on med-heavy and the NV on light-med. I do not think my inferno is strong enough and my nv is too strong for dry lanes. So I see an add to both sides before next season. Which is better to add for this upcoming league? Heavy or light?
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Post by: rhbowling07 on April 14, 2008, 06:32:25 PM
Post by: Locke on April 14, 2008, 06:33:43 PM
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Post by: rhbowling07 on April 14, 2008, 06:37:02 PM
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It will kick your arse. lol I avg about 210-220 on a THS but on the PBA shots im avg about 165. I guess i was just a house hack but this league will confirm how good you really are...it will lower your self confidence..lol
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WOW 50 pin difference, you must have a nice house shot.
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Post by: NicholasE on April 14, 2008, 07:08:11 PM
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It will kick your arse. lol I avg about 210-220 on a THS but on the PBA shots im avg about 165. I guess i was just a house hack but this league will confirm how good you really are...it will lower your self confidence..lol
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WOW 50 pin difference, you must have a nice house shot.
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That or no equipment for the shot like i didn't
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Thats my problem. I done great on the chameleon, shark and scorpion but the shorter patterns like the cheetah and viper killed my avg. The other lanes I avg around 180-190 but I could bearly break 100 on the cheetah and viper...just can't figure them out...oh well. don't really care, not going pro anytime soon! lol
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Post by: AngloBowler on April 15, 2008, 03:13:28 AM
Something like an ultra zone might do it or a t road solid. As you're a lefty I'd suggest going a little stronger with the drill/surface due to less traffic breaking down the pattern.
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Post by: River700 on April 15, 2008, 04:18:09 AM
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Post by: Raven829 on April 15, 2008, 05:16:50 AM
If you guys think that a 50 pin difference is big...I'm not too proud to post this-
Last year THS average- 230
This year THS average- 227
2 years ago summer Sport league- 168
This year 1st time PBA Experience- 185
I actually finished the Sport league in the top 10. I'm middle of the pack average-wise in the PBA league. On a THS last year I was top 5 in average for the city. This year probably top 20. Currently 8th in association All-Star points.
Don
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Post by: Motogp69 on April 15, 2008, 10:12:25 AM
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Post by: NicholasE on April 15, 2008, 10:22:05 AM
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I don't know if anyone else has experienced this, but also for me bowling the PBA experience league killed my THS form. I got in the mode of playing the PBA patterns and now I just basically forgot how to really take advantage of a THS. I averaged 226 going into the PBA experience league, I averaged 215 in the Experience league. I'm still bowling great in tournaments and anything not resembling a house shot, but on my house shot my average has since dropped to 212. It's not even an issue of getting to the pocket. I just never got out of the groove of only playing the end of the patterns specifically and on a THS that's no usually a good idea if you want to really take advantage of the shot.
i know what you mean. like in the pba league i bowl straight up boards with little swing on about 4 of the patterns and then going from that to a THS for practice, its like I can't swing the ball to save my life..lol I can't throw them up the boards because of my revs and it just will take off..so its different...
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Post by: Motogp69 on April 15, 2008, 11:27:52 AM
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Post by: n00dlejester on April 15, 2008, 11:36:48 AM
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Yeah it's mind numbingly stupid. I went like 4 years without a sub 600 series. This season I shot 828 and the following week shot 580. I love league bowling. Honestly I can't use half of my tournament stuff on a THS anyways, because it just doesn't roll or look the same. I usually just take an Ebonite Ice, and swing it, because on a house shot it hooks only a little bit less than my Cell. On a tough shot though, the balls are worlds apart.
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I find that to be so true also. On a THS I usually find a bit of difference, but on tougher conditions the reactions are mountains apart. I can't wait for my summer PBA league again!
And to answer the original poster: as long as you keep an open mind and confidence, you'll be fine. Don't let the lanes beat you: I find it to be more of a mental thing than a physical thing on these tougher shots. And get a Cell for the PBA stuff, oil will be everywhere.
Post by: se7en on April 15, 2008, 11:42:11 AM
But go into it expecting to learn that you need to throw plastic at spares (non clustered), the bumpers are gone and you can sail one into the ditch with ease, and the pattern changes fast. I never had a pair with a group that worked cohesively to burn a line. People tend to play all over the place making it more difficult than it already is.
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Post by: Atochabsh on April 16, 2008, 01:20:02 AM
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WOW 50 pin difference, you must have a nice house shot.
This was pretty much normal for all our participants in our first Sport league (the first year it existed) and it wasn't due to easy house shots so much as to the nearly impossible sport shot (with length) put out. No one in our sport league that first year averaged over 190 and we had regional tourning guys at 240+ bowling.
So its not necessarily the house shot being too easy. Sport shots are not created equal either.
How much your butt gets kicked is up to your game and skill level. If you can read lanes and adjust to make spares under any circumstance then you will do well.
Erin
Post by: nutsforbowling on April 16, 2008, 06:01:06 AM
Plus USBC gets another 15 bucks. What a rip-off!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: psaunders300 on April 16, 2008, 08:30:21 AM
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I would just like to see a left hander not be a able to play the first arrow on EVERY pattern. The PBA league I was on this year, the top 3 guys were all left handed and averaged above 200. Top right hander only at 195. It was a joke every week seeing the lefties play the same place and never having to move. I WILL NOT go back to bowl these leagues, they are a waste of time and money. My average on THS is the same, and it killed my form for months.
Plus USBC gets another 15 bucks. What a rip-off!!!!!!!!!!
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The 10 pin is the enemy!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would have to agree with you regarding the leftys... but I will keep bowling these patterns. On Shark, the leftys have a disadvantage.
I heard these complaints all last summer from jealous righties who were not playing the lanes the way they should be played...LMAO. Playing the shorter patterns (Cheetah, Viper, Chameleon) near the gutter works on both sides. Right handers just did not think so...I actually convinced several righties to try playing way out and they did well...wow you can teach a righty new tricks...LOL!
On the Shark I pointed my ball in from ten and did very well. Again I heard all kinds of comments from the righties - "How can you be hitting the pocket all the time?", "How are you getting you ball to hook so much?" Again LMAO, my ball was NOT hooking much, I was getting the same three boards of hook as the righties but pointing the ball at the pocket. The righties were trying to swing the ball AWAY from the pocket - of course your ball won't hook back!!
What fun, I had a very entertaining summer thanks to the righties...
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Post by: psaunders300 on April 18, 2008, 04:39:36 PM
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Once I did get lined up it was funny to hear the righties complain that I did not have to move. "Camp out there all night, stupid lefty!" etc. " I want to die and come back lefty!" It is pretty amusing to listen to!!!
Same here...jealous righties make for good, cheap entertainment! Not too many right handers think us lefties are any good. I just let my bowling do the talking and at the end of the day, walk away with their money in pocket. Last summer the guy that ran the high game pots didn't even want me in because he said it wasn't fair (lefties had it too easy!) and that I was winning too much...what fun!
Once you figure out the shot and got matched up, it looks like you did quite well. Keep the positive attitude and an open mind and you will do well. And get that spare ball, it will help more than you know!!
Good luck and bowl well!
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Edited on 4/18/2008 4:42 PM