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Mike L

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Ball Speed Question
« on: September 09, 2008, 01:54:45 AM »
We recently put a new scoring system in our center with the ball speed on it and mine is around 16.5 and is usually close to this speed at all centers that have to speed on it.  My question is do all the centers use the same location to get the speed?  Ours is about 52 feet down the lane so im sure thats where the ball is probably the slowest because it has turned over and lost alot of energy.  I ask this, because one of our bowlers took a training course at Kegel in Florida and he swears his ball speed was 17 mph and with ours hes down to 13-14.  I also here the PBA saying average ball speed on tour is 18-19.  I would say that my ball speed is above average, but still not nearly 19 mph, even when im going straighter.  So do training centers and PBA use different markers to get the speed, like maybe 30 feet down the lane?  The guy that was questioning it, is a pretty good bowler and he is just frustrated, because hes in a slump and then he saw his ball speed and said theres no way he can lose that much ball speed in 3 years.
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Re: Ball Speed Question
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2008, 12:12:46 PM »
The PBA ball speed you mentioned is in the head portion of the lanes, where the ball will have the speed you impart to it off of your hand.  I'm guessing that's where the 17mph for the other bowler came from off the hand.  Kegel can measure your ball speed at various points down the lane, but you typically would hear your off the hand speed because it's the truest indicator of how fast you're throwing it.  

A ball can lose anywhere from 1-4mph going down lane because all of the friction encountered, since the more the ball hooks, the more it will slow down.  I've noticed that on drier lanes my ball speed might be 15=16mph on qubica, but on something like shark, it'd jump to around 17.5.  This is not only due to the friction, but because if you're creating a wide hook, that means the ball is actually traveling more than 60 feet and will take a longer time to complete its journey than a ball just traveling the 60 feet, even if they are going the same speed.  Also, with qubica systems, if they ball is coming in at a sharp angle, it will appear to be in the path of the reader longer because it's moving sideways instead of just passing by, which will make the reader think the ball is moving slower than it really is.  I don't use a spare ball i just flatten out my wrist and throw straight for spares.  I've found my spare shot speed is around 19mph, but my strike shot speed, using the same armswing, is around 16-17mph.

You'd have to have your off the hand speed measured, but you can find out your average-down-the-lane ball speed by using a stopwatch to time from when the ball crosses the foul line, to when it hits the pins.  It should be somewhere from 2-3 seconds.  Divide 40.91 or 40.92 (can't remember, doesn't matter) by that stopwatch number, and that is your average ball speed down the lane.  Perhaps the bowler you mentioned is still throwing 17mph off the hand, but if he's hooking a lot or the lanes are dry, the ball could very well slow down 3-4mph.  There's a lot of variables to take into consideration, although I'd guess his off the hand speed is lower as well if he's in a slump.

Sorry for the novel, it's just a topic I've always found interesting.  Especially because many people will tell you their ball speed, but it means nothing unless you know where it was measured.
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Mike L

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Re: Ball Speed Question
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2008, 12:18:56 PM »
Thanks for the input.  That's kinda what I thought anyway, because like I said my ball speed is above average.  I told him the his plastic ball should give him his true speed though, because the ball doesn't lose energy and it was right around 15.5 so he probably has lost a mph or so.  He's a pba senior member, so im sure 3-4 yrs ago he was a lil faster.  I explained to him that the straighter you go, the faster its going to be, just common sense there.  Like I said hes slumping and he saw that speed and really got discouraged, but ill tell him the info you gave me and hopefully that'll help him some.  Thanks again!
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Bill Thomas

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Re: Ball Speed Question
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2008, 03:24:34 PM »
I believe I was told when touring the old Columbia factory that to get an estimate of off the hand ball speed take the speed calculated by these end of lane systems and add 3 MPH.

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Re: Ball Speed Question
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2008, 03:49:09 PM »
It's true.  Most of the pin deck measurers are pretty accurate but one will see variance based on how much friction one encounters down lane.

ie one can throw like 18 off hand and be 14 at one alley at the pin deck.  16 on another lane that's oilier and 17 at the pin deck at another if the ball is thrown real straight down thru the oil!

SO...to summarize as above.  Most pros are about 18.5 to 19 off the hand and play the lanes usually to be above 16 at the pin deck.  Some very good amateur bowlers occassionally throw at around 14 something at the pin deck and I believe Mike Aulby was not much above that.

Not many of those around on the tour anymore but they can be around on the top amateur circuit.

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Luckylefty
PS if one uses these common machines well....i know for example for me to get UP to 15.5 to 16.00 in speed is when I bowl REAL well for me.  Much of the time I struggle to get up to 15 at the pin deck.  Others may be the other way....18 -19 at the pin deck and struggle with getting enough hook or carry in certain parts of the pocket.
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