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PBA On ESPN, 19Oct
« on: October 18, 2003, 09:55:06 PM »
Just a reminder that the show is on ESPN now.

First match is Barnes vs Horan.  Nice spare by Barnes.
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Re: PBA On ESPN, 19Oct
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2003, 02:19:25 PM »
I predicted a Mika vs. Duke championship match in another thread.  Duke's ahead by one after 3, and I'm sticking with my prediction that Mika will win.
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Re: PBA On ESPN, 19Oct
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2003, 02:29:13 PM »
Hamster, you're not Edgar Cayce.
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Re: PBA On ESPN, 19Oct
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2003, 02:36:25 PM »
Good show.  Congrats, Norm!

I had no idea that Dave Ryan was such a funny guy.  Asking Mika what he learned from watching a lefty in the previous match... that was hysterical!
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Re: PBA On ESPN, 19Oct
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2003, 02:41:50 PM »
Lol, I don't even know who he is, so oh well.  Duke pulled it out.  I still think Mika bowled better, but you can't have any more of a clutch shot than what Duke made after the washout.  But even two carried 10's for Mika would have given him a win.  

On a side note, put a wall on that pattern and that's what I bowl on.  Getting to the pocket is easy, but getting that angle you need is impossible.  Anybody notice how rough carry was?  Yep, that's REALLY familiar.  Move right, leave a 10, move left, leave a 4.  Of course, with a wall, it helps a tad, even though it creates roll out more often than not.  And it's REALLY easy to go through the breakpoint too.
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Re: PBA On ESPN, 19Oct
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2003, 02:59:00 PM »
Great show.
The shot sure "LOOKED" easy...
but I know better.
Congrats, Norm.
Great spare shot!
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Re: PBA On ESPN, 19Oct
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2003, 04:23:26 PM »
I have to admit to not being impressed with pattern D's difficulty either.  There were too many scores that were just as high as last week.  Dennis Horan shot 297 in the round of 64, and there were NUMEROUS 300 runs even up through the round of 8.  There were several different guys that had the front 8 or 9, namely Haugen, Mika, Duke, Steelsmith, Barnes and Scroggins.  To me, it looked easier than pattern E was last week, cause they could miss inside a little and have it hold this week.  There was bump room outside too.  Delutz rode 2 board for 30 feet of lane quite often.  You also saw those couple shots that Horan made today that almost were channel food that recovered.  For being supposedly the hardest pattern, it didn't seem to challenge them much at all.  Kevin Duncan, who beat Walter Ray in the round of 32, competed in his FIRST national tour stop this week.  He very nearly defeated Haugen as well, he took Haugen to 7 games after he beat Walter 4-1.  Simple game, about 17-18 mph, 250-300 revs.  Used a Freak Out at 1200 grit the entire round of 64, 32, and 16 up until the last game with Haugen where he switched to a polished Freak.  Chicken winged the ball something fierce, but he was pretty accurate.  Soo, for pattern D being really tough, it didn't seem to be too much trouble for a guy bowling his first national stop AND going up against the best bowler in the world.  I'm not saying it's not difficult, I'm just saying it's not as hard as they say it is, and it didn't seem to challenge the pros at all.  Depending on their angle and line, they had anywhere from 2-4 boards at the different points in the lane.  They had 2 at release, 2 or 3 from the arrows to about 35 feet, and 4 boards at the breakpoint that would hit the pocket ranging from mixer to high flush.  Norm Duke was playing the channel in the round of 16 and 8, so naturally he didn't have a whole lot of room for error.  Some of it had to do with ball energy too.  The reaction was pretty bland, so there was no sharp turn that any ball ever made.  If they missed inside, it slowly burned energy all the way down the lane, and actually left more 10's than when they missed outside.  If it rode the oil most of the way down on the outside, it would come back a little harder.  I paid VERY close attention this week.  Accuracy was rewarded for the most part, but you didn't have to be super accurate to hit the pocket.  Mixers carried a lot better than flush did though.
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Re: PBA On ESPN, 19Oct
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2003, 04:36:01 PM »
Hamster,
Your showing your tremendous intelligence level again!!!!!!!

Until you've bowled at that or close to that level of competition.

Sit back take a couple of hours and polish off a single alcoholic beverage.

Watch some football.

Don't try and critique the best bowlers in the world.
free agency it is until i get a better offer.   LMAO

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Re: PBA On ESPN, 19Oct
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2003, 04:41:47 PM »
DUUUUUKE !  congrats to norm duke on your 21st pba title. i was hoping chris barnes would win but mr. duke had other ideas. i was there this week and the carry was difficult. seemingly great shots left a pin on the back row standing. the corners were very hard to knock out. a great show.

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Re: PBA On ESPN, 19Oct
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2003, 06:57:27 PM »
This has nothing to do with intelligence, I'm not blind.  When I see a shot hit 10 at the release, 5 at the arrows, and 7 at the breakpoint, then see the next shot on the same lane, mind you, hit 10 at the release, 3 at the arrows and 5 at the breakpoint and they both go high flush, how hard is that to see?  Same ball, same speed, same revs.  No, I don't have a CATS system, but geez.  These guys are INCREDIBLE, yes, but it's not like the shot requires them to be accurate to the board.  Even the pro's aren't that good.  If it was that hard of a shot, do you think you'd have seen a 230 average from a no thumb bowler?  Tom Daugherty placed 4th after 18 games, I think, with around 230.  Anybody that taped the telecast, go back and watch it.  Pause the tape (or tivo, or whatever) to see exactly which board the ball hits at those three points.  You should be able to see pretty clearly.  Maybe I'll do a frame by frame analysis and have someone else do one and see how close they are.  And I'm not talking that many boards of area to just hit flush.  You can strike just as well from a mixer, which requires that the ball be at least 3 or 4 boards right of high flush at the pins.  I'm not saying the shot was easy, I'm not saying the pros suck, I'm just saying that from close observation, it's not as hard of a shot as the PBA has made it out to be.  Any shot where you can get the ball to come back from 3 board instead of slide right to the 6-10 is not the highest level of difficulty that you can find.  Could I bowl as well on the pattern as they did?  Not a chance.  Doesn't mean I'm blind.
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Re: PBA On ESPN, 19Oct
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2003, 09:02:13 PM »
Like watching paint dry!

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Re: PBA On ESPN, 19Oct
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2003, 09:37:45 PM »

I had hoped we had heard the last of "60 feet to success" but it made at least one appearance today...I loved the way Randy called some of the bad shots instead of covering them up- I got a kick out of "That ball got to the pocket and basically just puked on the 1-3"  

Had higher hopes for Scrogs...if he couldn't pull it out, at least one of the others with Texas connections (Duke) won it

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Re: PBA On ESPN, 19Oct
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2003, 10:22:19 PM »
watching chris barnes choke again ? evidently you didn't see him in the match play segment of the tournament on friday and saturday. time and time again he came from behind to make it to the tv show. did you see the highlight of mark roth shooting 299 at the 1975 king louie open ? i guess he choked too..........

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Re: PBA On ESPN, 19Oct
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2003, 10:56:26 PM »
by no means does barns fold under pressure. there are way to many factors that come in to play on tv finals. lanes change faster with all the lights and good carry sure doesnt hurt

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Re: PBA On ESPN, 19Oct
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