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PBA patterns Vs. "SPORT patterns"
« on: March 06, 2007, 11:09:29 AM »
just wondering wut people think of the two...wut i want to know is if people that have bowled on both think the pba patterns are a lil easier than some patterns...i mean ive bowled on some REALLY hard sport patterns in the college tier 1 events and not averaged 190, and then ive bowled on some PBA patterns and averaged over 200, so i mean idk, obviously i matched up well with the pba patterns that ive done this, and im not saying that pba patterns are easy, cuz DUH they arent...but i just want to see what people think of some of the tougher "sport" patterns

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Re: PBA patterns Vs. "SPORT patterns"
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2007, 07:19:19 PM »
true statement...thats pretty much my take on it in my head, but idk...its just weird
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Re: PBA patterns Vs. "SPORT patterns"
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2007, 07:53:25 PM »
Not much difference any more.  Sport patterns are now a 3:1 ratio, and I believe the PBA patterns have been tweaked to be sport compliant.  I couldn't find the link about the PBA ratios, but here is the link for the change in ratio for sport patterns.

http://www.bowl.com/sportbowling/pbaDetails.aspx

There are so many variables that go into making a condition easier or more difficult.  Lane oil type, lane surface and condition, type of oil machine, who's bowling on it and what type and surface of ball they use...

Even before the change, for some reason I have done better on the true sport conditions and Championship patterns (US Open, Masters...) than the PBA patterns.  With the PBA patterns, they are a standardized length and volume.  Sport shots can mean anything.  55' with 100 units inside and 50 units outside, 22' with 10 units inside and 5 units outside, and anything in between.
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Re: PBA patterns Vs. "SPORT patterns"
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2007, 04:54:56 AM »
Conspirator:

1st off you bowl in a PBA league and don't know the ratio of oil. What gives I thought you knew it all????

another thing is Strider may be on the money in his thoughts because I too usually shoot higher on the flat oil than the other stuff.....
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Re: PBA patterns Vs. "SPORT patterns"
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2007, 05:28:48 AM »
For bowlers who know how to manage their ball reaction and know their equipment PBA patterns are much easier than sport patterns.  Not only is the oil ratio 3:1 versus 2:1 but the PBA patterns have a very defined area of play.

 I am the league secretary for a sport league that switched from Sport to PBA in January.  The scores for most bowlers have gone up.  The only bowlers who have not increased their average are the bowlers who are afraid to play near the edge of the lane. We bowled on JOG Short, Meduim and Long patterns before the switch to the PBA experience. No one averaged over 200. On the PBA patterns we have 5 bolwers over a 200 avg. with one bowler over 220.  

If you look at the PBA patterns and the guides for how to play the patterns,they suggest that except for Shark bowlers should start near the edge of the lane and work in as the pattern breaks down.  Most bowlers are not comfortable playing up the lane from the outside.  

I have received requests to return to the Sport conditions.  The center we bowl in is currently debating what to do this summer.
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Re: PBA patterns Vs. "SPORT patterns"
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2007, 05:32:10 AM »
Sometimes my alley puts out a sport shot. Its the hardest pattern ive ever bowled on. Miss board in any direction, or get a little to much hand on the ball han you will be standing with a 7-8pin count.
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Re: PBA patterns Vs. "SPORT patterns"
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2007, 06:15:18 AM »
Conspirator300:  I have no idea what you mean by "us amateurs".  If you think I'm implying I'm better, you're sorely mistaken.  I just gave my personal experiences.  I more or less implied that it isn't the norm.  Can you explain your second sentence better because I don't know what you mean?

Rotomike:  Sport patterns are a 3:1 ratio now, so I'm not sure why you are seeing a big difference.  Also, PBA patterns don't have any more defined area to play than any unlabeled sport pattern.  It's possible that people psyche them selves out because they equate "sport" with difficult.  The same ideas work in both.  The shorter patterns (Cheetah) you play close to the gutter, the longer ones (Shark) you play deeper.
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Re: PBA patterns Vs. "SPORT patterns"
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2007, 06:48:46 AM »
I know why I am seeing a difference.  We have been running our Sport leagues for 5 years now.

Prior to the start of the PBA Experience the max ratio in my center (18 month old Pro anvilane) was 2:1.  It was only with the start of the PBA Experience that the ratio for us went to 3:1.  

If you read the pattern sheets that are given to the PBA Experience leagues you will read that they reccomend/suggest a very specific place on the lane to play for each of the patterns. It has also been proven through my working with the bowlers in the league in practice sessions that moving them to the "suggested" area of the lane to play greatly increased their scoring abillity.  If a 200+ avg. house shot bowler who struggles to average 185 on the PBA patterns but when moved to the "suggested" area of the lane averages 210 for the next 3 weeks...  I'm sure he was just lucky.  

I agree that some bowlers psyche themselves out when bowling on Sport patterns but I happen to bowl in a league that has former a Team USA member, the current military interservice champion, a former member of the German national team, and some of the better local players. When we were on the JOG Sport patterns we posted pattern graphs each week. We have been at this for 5 years.  I can tell you from experience that it was like hitting a scoring switch for the knowledgeable bowlers when we switched over to PBA Experience patterns.  

I agree with the concept of shorter pattern breakpoint moves closer to the gutter - longer pattern breakpoint moves closer to the pocket.
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Re: PBA patterns Vs. "SPORT patterns"
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2007, 07:50:45 AM »
I am bowling better on the Sport patterns than the PBA patterns but I have a theory as to why.  We bowl on the same sport pattern for 8 weeks while the PBA patterns change weekly.  On the sport pattern there is time to actually figure out how to play the pattern.  

In the PBA league, by the time we hit the pattern again several weeks have passed.  Even with the sheets that recommend where to play, it also depends on the surface the condition is put out on.

I enjoy both leagues, but find the PBA Experience league more of a challenge right now.
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Re: PBA patterns Vs. "SPORT patterns"
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2007, 10:15:18 AM »
We were running 2:1 sport patterns before switching to the PBA patterns.
Scores have definitely gone up (until this week on the US Open pattern).
It may not seem like a big change going from 2:1 to 3:1, but there is a noticeable difference in the amount of miss area. It's still not much, but there is definitely more room.
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Re: PBA patterns Vs. "SPORT patterns"
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2007, 11:05:47 AM »
For me Sport conditions make me concentrate more about playing the right breakpoint down the lane and matching my equipment. I have found that Sport conditions transition versus PBA patterns which seem to "open up"
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Re: PBA patterns Vs. "SPORT patterns"
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2007, 12:16:35 PM »
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 Also, PBA patterns don't have any more defined area to play than any unlabeled sport pattern....The shorter patterns (Cheetah) you play close to the gutter, the longer ones (Shark) you play deeper.
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Uh, don't these statements contradict each other?
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Re: PBA patterns Vs. "SPORT patterns"
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2007, 02:31:57 PM »
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Also, PBA patterns don't have any more defined area to play than any unlabeled sport pattern....The shorter patterns (Cheetah) you play close to the gutter, the longer ones (Shark) you play deeper.


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Uh, don't these statements contradict each other?
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No.  You play near the gutter with a short/light sport pattern or a short PBA pattern like the Cheetah.  You play deep on a long/heavy sport pattern or a long PBA pattern like the Shark.

I haven't compared any 2:1 ratio patterns with a 3:1 on the same surface, same basic pattern..., so I can't say how much more room you have.  I would assume the 3:1 would be more playable.  My point was that today's sport patterns and today's PBA patterns should be of roughly equal difficulty.  What's the difference between a 44' sport pattern with the same volume as the 44' Shark pattern?  Not much.  The only reason there is a "cheat sheet" for the PBA patterns is that it will be the same each time.  The same 44' sport pattern can vary the volumes quite a bit as long as the ratio remains 3:1 and play very differently.  I guess the unknown volume of a sport shot still makes you guess more.
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Re: PBA patterns Vs. "SPORT patterns"
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2007, 10:30:10 PM »
2-1 and 3-1 is a huge difference.
we played a 39' 3-1 and i shot 800-840/4 4 weeks a in row.
switched to a 2-1 32' and have shot 720-770/4 the past 4 weeks.
differnece is that marginal balls are now splits, instead of getting a break every once in a while.  its also tougher to break the shot down as there is more volume.

how can the cheetah pattern be considered sport compliant if it is 19:1?!
even scorpion and chameleon are around 4-1.
does the average adjustment in its current form still exist for pba experience?
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