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Zanatos1914

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PBA Sport Bowling
« on: May 31, 2012, 12:14:47 PM »
This will be my first time attempting to bowl a PBA Sport bowling league and the only experience I can claim is NABBI.  My bowling partner decided to bet me that I want even make 180 at the end of the season..  Had to take that bet but wanted to know what avg did most of you received on your first PBA league...

 

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Re: PBA Sport Bowling
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2012, 12:40:23 PM »
The hardest part of learning the PBAX leagues is ball matchups and adjustments.  Not only adjustments, but correct adjustments.  It will drive you insane, but make you a much more consistent bowler.  The first season I did it, I averaged 226 and 214 on THS.  I averaged 171 in the summer PBAX league.  The biggest thing is learning the patters and how they breakdown and what to do when they do.  The worst part is you'll find a line, and 3 balls later is gone.  Then it's a guessing game again.  Also spare shooting.  Covering a 5 pin can become an adventure. Frustrating, very frustrating. 

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Re: PBA Sport Bowling
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2012, 12:45:11 PM »
My THS average is 205-210 and my PBA Experience average is 163-172.  I have bowled in the PBA league for a couple of years.  Biggest thing is leaving spares you can make and then make them.  Your not going to string strikes to make up for open frames.

Of course the toughness of the shot still depends on the house you bowl at and the lane type.  The only thing the USBC cares about as far as approving the tapes is that the pattern is in the 3-1 ratio.  I bowled on the Cheetah once that would not move outside 5, that should tell you something.

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Re: PBA Sport Bowling
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2012, 01:46:22 PM »
Lane Topography will play big role in how each shot plays. As well as the lane machine and skill of the operator. The last factor will be the age and material of the lanes. As TheGame mentioned, you could bowl on Cheetah and not see the defined dry on the outside. It could be the topography of the lanes, the outside boards lean ever so slightly to the right, could be that the machine didn't oil correctly or the lane mechanic couldn't program it correctly. It could be that these are new synthetic lanes and there just isn't any hook there or old wood lanes, etc. You will have to play the lanes as they dictate they need to be played. The "normal" ways of playing the patterns can be a good start, but don't think of them as gospel. And as was mentioned, spare shooting is key. Going straighter at spares is best. Trying to hook at spares on a PBA pattern can be a huge challenge.
 
To answer your original post, I am about a 230 average on THS, and I don't remember my first average on a PBAX/Sport patterns, last year I averaged 197.5 on Cheetah, Viper, Shark patterns (and that was with our Cheetah playing the same as the TheGame's, no hook outside of 5).
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Re: PBA Sport Bowling
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2012, 01:55:21 PM »
My first Season on a sport/pbax league I averaged around 160 something.

Since then I have improved worked on my game alot. Spare Shooting is the big thing you gotta make the easy ones it is a must, miss one or two and you are in alot of trouble. Learning the patterns can be a pain topograhy is huge places that naturally have more friction the patterns can be a little easier, vice versa less friction and the patterns are brutal.

Good Luck and have fun with it don't worry about scoring worry about learning that is the most important part.
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Re: PBA Sport Bowling
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2012, 03:56:11 PM »
220 on THS.  First season in PBA Experience was 195 I think, but we moved pairs after each game.  Maybe...  It was 190 something.  Year 2 was 200 and was right around that for the rest of the time still moving pairs each game.  Averages tend to be higher in leagues where you're stationary on one pair for the set.  The pattern eventually blends more and becomes more scoreable, but going pair to pair is difficult because a lot of what the guys in front of you do dictates how the lanes play and that can be different pair to pair, lane to lane.   

Spare games are crucial because it's so hard to string strikes.  Really can't afford to miss makeable spares.  The lessons learned in the league (and the improvement in execution) generally lead to slightly better scores in THS leagues and tournaments because you learn to read transition and ball reaction.  You can also do a lot of preliminary research on a given pattern and reading lane transition and ball reaction by doing basic google searches for it.  Mental game is truly important to be successful on any Sport Patterns. 

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Re: PBA Sport Bowling
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2012, 05:11:30 PM »
My first year I was 205 & 220 in my two THS leagues (shows you the difference is house shots!).  I finished at 187 in my summer PBA league.  Like most people here, I had no exposure to the PBA patterns until I bowled on them for the summer.  I read on how to attack them, but my physical game had many weaknesses that I knew about.  If you bowl nothing but house shots, you have no idea on how consistent you are with your launch angle through the heads.  That was my biggest problem anyway.

In addition to making your spares, I compare it to when you were improving from 150 to 170 or 170 to 190, or 190 to 205 (I made "jumps" in my average over the years as I figured things out and/or got more consistent).  The more you bowl on them, you bad shots get less bad, so you leave easier spares to convert.  Instead of the bucket, you leave only a 2 pin, or a 3-6-9-10 becomes just a 3....

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Re: PBA Sport Bowling
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2012, 11:45:16 PM »
League average of about 217-220... First year I ever did a pba league I ended with a 162.  Year after that I bumped it up to a 183 (threw the ball like ass all 10 weeks, spare game was my savior), and so far this year, I'm at a 199 through the first 5 weeks.  This year, we are bowling on the pba patterns like the US Open, World Championships, Carmen Salvino, Masters, and TOC.  Spare shooting is the most crucial part to be successful.  Also putting the right ball with the right surface is huge.  Learning how to play the lanes is tough, takes a lot of practice and experience, but it sure is fun once you get to know how to put up nice scores on tough patterns.

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Re: PBA Sport Bowling
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2012, 12:01:05 AM »
Throw the sheets they give you out when it comes to how to play the lanes.    Use your own instincts and eyes to see what the pattern is and play it to your own ability.   Just because a pattern is supposed to play at the 3rd board, doesn't mean it can't be played at the 3rd arrow etc.    The lane topography, surface material, age, oil machine, oil, cleaner all play a part. The overall characteristics of the bowling center will always come through no matter what oil pattern is put out.

Knowing your own center, is half the battle in these leagues.   Sheets, charts and graphs are ok when trying to point you in the direction if your bowling in a "perfect" world situation ala the PBA Tour, but sport leagues at your home center is a different story.

For instance I bowl in a PBA league where they use the same patterns 2 or 3 weeks.   The 1st week I will always try to play the patterns the way they are supposed to play, or the way I've experienced them played on the regional tour.     The 2nd week I will play them the way I see the lanes develop, and play the lanes how I feel they should be played for my own game.  Most often than not it's in a different zone than what the "book" says,  and the scores are always much higher.   I'm probably 200+ the 2nd week.   The 3rd week it's an evaluation of what exactly I want to learn since I'm there to learn and not score.   It's normally a different ball or release in the same area where I feel the best scoring chances are for me.

I will average about 200 for the season, without really trying to score huge numbers.   The goal is to learn, and get information and learn the best ways to create versatility in your game and find what works and doesn't work for you.
 

Your league might not allow you the flexibility in the schedule to "learn" or it might not be cost effective for you either if your bowling for money.    Hopefully your league allows you to play the patterns a few times, and you can learn without the stresses of how much this practice is costing you.
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Re: PBA Sport Bowling
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2012, 07:06:49 AM »
215 on THS and this year my first sport league 170 after 2 weeks but expect to get better. Like everyone has said spares are key. I have flagged 6 single pins in the first 8 games. Nothing like opens in the 9th and tenth to turn 225's into a 201's.  For me ball adjustments and transition is the challenge. I shoot 200+ the first game and the last game is my second highest, with the middle games 140 or less. We move lanes every game so matching up quickly is tough. 

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Re: PBA Sport Bowling
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2012, 07:57:11 AM »
The first time I bowled in a Sport League was back in 2002 and I had a 218 THS Average.

We had what I believe to be the typical PBA experience league format in that we bowled on each pattern for 4 weeks at a time. However, position rounds were bowled on either the Masters or US Open pattern.

I averaged 200 even and was very proud of that average.

Don't worry it takes time and practice to get good on a sport league. I average 217 on my sport league now, but my THS has gone up to 232. It will make you a much better bowler.

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Re: PBA Sport Bowling
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2012, 09:35:14 AM »
Just hearing about switching lanes, how I should play the pattern per sheet and etc.. Thanks for the informaiton guys...

Should I play for score or try to learn the correct method to attack those lanes...

Guys I have money on reaching 180 and I want my money.   ;D

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Re: PBA Sport Bowling
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2012, 12:22:56 PM »
The answer is to do what you think may work and see what happens.  I don't know how your league is set up, but I liked the previous quote about playing the first week by the "sheet", second how you think (experiment) and third for improving your game.  The way you will get your money is your spare game.  Strong spare game = money, poor spare game = no money

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Re: PBA Sport Bowling
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2012, 03:01:15 PM »
To answer your original question 188-190 in my first PBA league. I'm between 215-220 on a house shot. High PBA avg. of 203.

To answer you're more recent post:
Use the sheet only as a guide. It may help or hurt. As said earlier it depends on your lane surface, topography, how they're stripped(there could be residual house shot left behind), the lane machine, type of oil and how others are playing the lanes. I'd use the sheet as a place to start from in practice. If you're not getting a good reaction move to playing somewhere else. If you're totally stuck look at how someone who is scoring is playing and play the lanes similar, especially the breakpoint. Figure out how to get it to the same breakpoint.

One week we were supposed to have Cheetah which typically plays outside of 5. That week the lane stripper/oiler had an issue and outside of 5 was unplayable. I had to play them 20 out to 8-10 and it worked out OK. Many others were doing the same. Those who played them like they were "supposed" to struggled greatly that week.

Also spares are of #1 importance. I think Andyman333 said it best "Spare games are crucial because it's so hard to string strikes.  Really can't afford to miss makeable spares.". This is why it's not uncommon to see 220+ guys avg. 170 and 200-210 guys avg. 180-190. Even though I'm 215-220, I average better than 70-80% of the 220+ bowlers in our area on PBA/sport shots. It's because I shoot spares better and don't give the pocket away as much(not leaving splits or washouts). Make your spares and 180 isn't a problem.

If you're switching lanes I'd start where you finished on the previous pair and then adjust accordingly. If people are scoring and playing them a lot different on the pair you're moving to take note of that.

Also don't be afraid to move. In my experience on the lighter volume patterns you might have to move every 3-5 frames. On some of the heavier volume patterns you won't have to move as soon.
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Re: PBA Sport Bowling
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2012, 04:48:01 PM »
Thanks for all the input -- Going to the bank and withdrawing the money I will owe already... Dang..  I normally play break points but doesnt seem like I will have that..  Plus I am 2 finger bowler with a spare ball...  lol...   Was hoping to play breaking points without swinging the ball..  Already lost and have 2 weeks b4 season...  Keep the input coming - Even anybody has a chart on what 2 play that would be great..  What are the normal partners they put out...  I heard of Cheetah and some long pattern that reminds me of NABBI... Whatelse