Post by: BrianCRX90 on August 01, 2006, 01:08:38 PM
Post by: Mvpbowler on August 01, 2006, 09:11:01 PM
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Post by: MegaMav on August 01, 2006, 09:41:02 PM
I'm a great shot maker, his spray shots will do him in during the 1st game.
Post by: strikestriketapped on August 01, 2006, 09:55:01 PM
Post by: monstercrank on August 01, 2006, 10:11:38 PM
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Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile
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Post by: DP3 on August 01, 2006, 10:38:55 PM
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Post by: BrianCRX90 on August 01, 2006, 11:10:16 PM
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i would for 10 bucks lol
you high-roller you
Post by: monstercrank on August 01, 2006, 11:14:29 PM
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While interviewing an anonymous U.S. Special Forces Sniper on his skills, a Reuters News agent asked the soldier what he felt when shooting members of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Iraq. The soldier shrugged and replied "Recoil".
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If guns kill people then spoons made Rosie O'Donnell fat!
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Some people are like Slinkies....
Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile
to your face... when you push one down a flight of stairs.
Post by: LuckyLefty on August 03, 2006, 12:06:32 PM
Everyone wants him on a sport shot! Sort of like engaging a long drive champion in a narrow fairway hitting contest! (BTW..I have heard second hand that Ryan Shafer who has worked with him for awhile says he is a pretty accurate bowler in the BOwlers Journal article(he did not say he endorsed the 900s). Or as Fred Funk said to John Daly..."want to hit fairways for money"?
I wish there had a been a Tim Mack/ Mushtare actual match. I personally have no idea who would have won but I think it would have been great entertainment and HIGH scoring!
BTW...I really like and was very impressed with Tim Mack after his interview.
Brian(original poster), would you bowl him on a league shot?
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS I know that anyone who wins the TAC is a GREAT bowler! No doubt on that!
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Edited on 8/3/2006 12:06 PM
Post by: DANGERZONE on August 03, 2006, 12:17:41 PM
Post by: baccala8872 on August 03, 2006, 12:21:30 PM
You could shoot 868 for your first 3 and still be down 3-0.
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Post by: cnimsk on August 03, 2006, 12:32:19 PM
Chuck
Post by: Djarum on August 03, 2006, 12:35:51 PM
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We have one guy or two guys willing to take him up on league shots?
Everyone wants him on a sport shot! Sort of like engaging a long drive champion in a narrow fairway hitting contest! (BTW..I have heard second hand that Ryan Shafer who has worked with him for awhile says he is a pretty accurate bowler in the BOwlers Journal article(he did not say he endorsed the 900s). Or as Fred Funk said to John Daly..."want to hit fairways for money"?
I wish there had a been a Tim Mack/ Mushtare actual match. I personally have no idea who would have won but I think it would have been great entertainment and HIGH scoring!
BTW...I really like and was very impressed with Tim Mack after his interview.
Brian(original poster), would you bowl him on a league shot?
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS I know that anyone who wins the TAC is a GREAT bowler! No doubt on that!
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Edited on 8/3/2006 12:06 PM
Lucky,
You have to have all the skills needed to win at golf. Just as Mushtare should have all the skills to win. Any great bowler can walk into any center on any condition on any format and score.
Dj
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Post by: LuckyLefty on August 03, 2006, 12:52:03 PM
There are shots that favor Walter Ray's A game(tight accuracy contests). And other shots that are not so favorable to him. The fact that he has won on his B game, and maybe C is a testament to his superiority. Don't believe Robert Mushtare will not get better on sport shots...of course he will, how good or how much better I have no idea, championship material...??? I truly don't know. But does anyone really want to bowl him on his A game?! Right now?
Some do...those are the fun matches I want to see!
Only the greatest in the game can win on all conditions!
The VERY greatest. Ie...even the incredible Tom Watson never won a PGA and I still consider his US open victory an absolute wonderful statistical anomaly!
That is why in golf when the 4 majors used to feature dramatically different conditions only 3 players have completed the professional grand slam! The same applies in Tennis...Roger Federer no french opens along with Pete Sampras! Absolute greats...dominated 3 majors...not 4!
All pros know this ...there are horses for courses!
REGards,
Luckylefty
PS Mike Durbin in his great book on bowling(title) talks about this quite a bit! I believe he is quite a student of the game!
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Post by: Jorge300 on August 03, 2006, 12:58:54 PM
This has nothing to do with him and his 900's, it has to do with what I know about my own game.
And if you really want to make it fair, 7 pairs, 7 different shots. His house pattern, my house pattern, and the 5 PBA shots, and we bowl all seven and we see who wins what. But if he's not up for that challenge, id still bowl him on his house shot, maybe I win, maybe I lose, but I'm betting on me, as I always do.
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Post by: baccala8872 on August 03, 2006, 01:01:32 PM
Your logic is incredibly flawed between golf and tennis that it continually serves as a function of just how far you are reaching to defend this cheater.
When comparing golf's major winners to tennis' major winners, please keep in mind that golf is ALWAYS played on grass. The bunkers all have sand in them. The holes are all the same circumference. The only things that may change are the ambient conditions. The tennis majors represent 3 major differences. Australian and US Open are hardcourt, French is on loosely packed red clay, and the Championships (Wimbledon) are on essentially, putting greens.
You are harping on and heaping praise on a one-trick pony. Using your logic, then I can unequivocally say that Larry Mize is the greatest chipper in the history of the Masters, bar none.
Sounds outlandish, doesn't it?
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Post by: LuckyLefty on August 03, 2006, 01:13:00 PM
But this is getting into the stupid range for you!
Masters...in the past always wide open fairways with hidden risks and incredibly fast and tricky greens.
US open tight just like the US open in bowling...only the straightest hitters could win.
British OPen...variable conditions...run up golf, rock hard fairways and low shots dominated.
PGA...unknown...US open courses with wider fairways.
Tennis
Wimbledon, grass
US open hard court
Australian..hard court but different and heat
French Clay.
Bowling wide open...sport ...WTC ....US open.
I am not really on this thing about Mushtare's 900s. I just get a kick out of people..."OH...I'll challenge him(I heard he just did bad on sport) ON SPORT!"
Of course you will.
I admire the comments of JOrge300 about bowling him at his home house.
NOw I just want to hear the car purr!
Someone! Anyone?
For 6 or 7 months I have been wanting to see it! I eagerly awaited the Tim MAck /Mustare match with no real prediction....I just wanted to see it!
Disappointment. None of this post is relating to his claims of 900. I just want to see someone bowl him on his wheelhouse....for FUN!
Gentleman...start your engines!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS my list of great masters winners who did not win the grand slam in golf.
BAllesteros, Faldo, Snead, Palmer, Watson, Demaret. (Mize not on the list...sorry).
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Post by: DukeHarding on August 03, 2006, 01:40:20 PM
It would be fun.
I'd like to bowl him a 20 game match, $100 a game.
I bet I would outlast him, and maybe outbowl him.
Wonder if he would give me the difference in our ages in pins?
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Post by: baccala8872 on August 03, 2006, 01:42:33 PM
My point was that you are tooting the horn of a one-dimensional hack, akin to my saying that Larry Mize was the greatest chipper in the history of the Masters.
We have a guy who claimed to do one thing (twice for those of you that buy into that dreck) in one location. Let's see....Thomas Muster (winner Roland Garros 1995) vs. Roger Federer.....you choose the surface. Who would be most confident in with your 100 bucks on the line?
Your saying that my argument encroaches onto the stupid range is a major red flag that someone painted you into a corner that you can't get out of or dispute the point raised to you. My argument was (when reading "outside the lines") that it is very difficult to justify the alleged greatness of a questionable one-time result and the person who performed to obtain this result. Can anyone say Floyd Landis?
My Larry Mize comment sounded like the rabid fandom of that guy in the bar. You know that guy. The guy in Chicago screaming (even today) that the 2005 White Sox are the greatest team ever assembled. Yay!!! One result!! Your constant defense of this cheater honestly bewilders us. It sounds like a close cousin of the Stockholm Syndrome. You sat with these steadfast, honest people at JOGs and your defenses have intensified, identifying with those who singlehandedly are bringing the credibility of the sport we love right down to their level.
I am just wondering since you have detailed the wonderful conversations you have had with these pillars of all that is right........did you ever invite any of them to join us in the discussions here? I'm sure Bobby Beautiful has heard the snickers and sneers in his hometown and at JOGs as well......did you provide him the forum and venue where he could address us?
Our respect could be earned very simply.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on August 03, 2006, 01:55:22 PM
There are horses for courses. Bowling Robert Mustare where he has proven in one experience to be like a fish out of water is certainly something the experienced sport condition bowler would like to do right now!
None of my remarks above are relating to his 900 claims. NONE.
I just want to see SOMEONE...ANYONE go bowl him in HIS wheelhouse! I don't want to see him struggle like a guppy on pavement(I've seen that) I want to see him in his wheelhouse...find the keys!
We've been hearing boasts, claims,rants, accusations, "I"m going" we hear..."wait till I go there"! for 7 to 8 months...still NO KEYS!
PERIOD....someone...please find the keys! I don't care if you bowl him for coffee! Find the keys! Please film it and post it here...I'm not even saying he is going to win! Find the keys!
Anyone have any keys around the house that start your car??...please point it towards CArthage NY...it's lovely this time of year I hear!!?
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS it's like the prefight back in the Mike Tyson days...day after day...get the fight on Pay TV now...I'm sick of the hype....I want to SEE it!
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Post by: UCFKnight300 on August 03, 2006, 01:59:20 PM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on August 03, 2006, 02:14:27 PM
...bowl him for coffee...
Any keys in your dorm?
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: Oskuposer on August 03, 2006, 02:34:24 PM
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Post by: stealth on August 03, 2006, 02:42:11 PM
Post by: The SuperHitMan on August 03, 2006, 02:44:45 PM
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Judge: Please tell the court your name....
Me: The SuperHitMan.....
Judge: On accounts of claiming to be "Good at what you do" and "bowling and carrying well with hand" how do you plead.......
Me: Guilty
Judge: Before sentencing is there anything you would like to say to the bowling court.....
Me: I'm not sorry that every bowler that I do not bow down to and praise them like they are gods because I don't say that they are better than me took my confidence as cockyness, and people that don't have hand that down talk people with hand are idiots that includes you to Judge Nohand
Judge: Bailiff get him out of my court room
Tommy Jones: Let me guess your in for "bowling and carrying with hand" right?
Me:
Post by: Djarum on August 03, 2006, 02:49:50 PM
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Oh I disagree with that!
There are shots that favor Walter Ray's A game(tight accuracy contests). And other shots that are not so favorable to him. The fact that he has won on his B game, and maybe C is a testament to his superiority. Don't believe Robert Mushtare will not get better on sport shots...of course he will, how good or how much better I have no idea, championship material...??? I truly don't know. But does anyone really want to bowl him on his A game?! Right now?
Some do...those are the fun matches I want to see!
Only the greatest in the game can win on all conditions!
The VERY greatest. Ie...even the incredible Tom Watson never won a PGA and I still consider his US open victory an absolute wonderful statistical anomaly!
That is why in golf when the 4 majors used to feature dramatically different conditions only 3 players have completed the professional grand slam! The same applies in Tennis...Roger Federer no french opens along with Pete Sampras! Absolute greats...dominated 3 majors...not 4!
All pros know this ...there are horses for courses!
REGards,
Luckylefty
PS Mike Durbin in his great book on bowling(title) talks about this quite a bit! I believe he is quite a student of the game!
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I think it depends on the longevity of what we consider great. But making challenges or competitions are not limited to what someone is good at. They are made up by random. If I walk into a bowling alley I've never been to, I have no idea what to expect, the same as a golfer does when he plays a course he's never played before. I think anyone can be good if they are kept in their element(as Mushtare was when shooting 900), but if you take them out, that's when you really see what kind of player they are.
Dj
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Post by: Jorge300 on August 03, 2006, 03:13:17 PM
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MIke I believe you! I like you..I've bought balls from you.I think you are right!
...bowl him for coffee...
Any keys in your dorm?
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Lefty, why don't you get your own keys and go bowl him, tell how good he really is. I mean if you could beat him on his own house shot,would you still be defending him so fervently?
And all this "get the keys" crap is so childish. Most of us a grown adults with jobs and family, yet we should just drop everything and go bowl this freak show ( and I say that not in regards to him or his ability, but what it has become in the bowling world). You bowl him for $1000. But what about the added costs, of a plane ticket or gas for a car, hotel, and you go there and his Dad won't let him bowl, so you've wasted all that money. Are you going to reimburse us for that? Why don't you offer to pay for someone to miss work, pay their expenses so that you can have your little match? You claim to be such a great businessman with many successes, but YOUR money where your mouth is and pay for someone to go there and bowl him. And since you are so friendly with the Musthares you can make sure he shows up to actually bowl whoever you send. If you aren't prepared to do that, then take your "keys" comments and shove them.
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Post by: UCFKnight300 on August 03, 2006, 03:26:03 PM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on August 03, 2006, 05:08:22 PM
You see ...for 8 months the statements have been coming!
"If I go there I'm going to throw 900 too!"
"If I go there I'm going to throw my first 800"
"If I go there I'm going to beat his little..."
"If I go there I'm going to stare him down and make him admit..."
The thing of it is...eight long months...NOTHING! Nada. Zero.. Zilch.
If I could count the puffery fo statements on this site it must count over 300 of them..."If I go there.....".
ME....I'm not going to go there and bowl him for money on his shot! You think I'm nuts....the guy is an animal! You will see no puffery from me regarding beating him on his home shot!! Their ARE horses for courses!
Next time I start averaging over 250 on my home shot for a protracted period of time...maybe I'll puff up!
BUT....none of this has to do anything with whether he has shot 900 or not!
Not one bit!
The suspense is killing ME! I thought Tim Mack and he were going to bowl a set...a couple of sets...OH I thought that was great...I wasn't sure of the outcome but I was excited about watching a young power bowler against a world recognized power bowler. Now if they said they were going to put on a spare making expedition...not so exciting. Or a sport shot exhibition(YAWN).
Sort of like in golf...IF someone said...want to see an exciting match.
How about John Daly vs Hank Kuene...Guess what...
"And here we are golf fans ...we have an exciting match for you today scheduled for today's pay per view...we've got it...what you were waiting for...
John Daly...Hank Kuehne two of the longest hitters in golf engaged in a chipping and putting contest"...ME..."yawn...boo"!
I want to see strikers strike. I'm over the waiting. Much like when you were in school...a bully comes up to you...."I'm going to kick your butt after school today". Me...I was too impatient for that. "I'm available NOW...could we get started NOW!?" I hate to wait. Was that a prediction!? NOPE!
300 claims I estimate...8 months...no one has gone there(except Tim Mack for a few practice balls together(disappointment)....I hate to wait. Please someone great who lives there or near there...go up there and show us a match on the shot they put out for the 900s! I JUST want to SEE something! Someone find their keys!!!!! ANYONE! Someone in the big hands club! Let's see some striking!
I can envision a series of match's like this.
Titled "Welcome to Robbie's House!".
HEre are my favorite matches.
1. James Hylton...tell me you couldn't promote that match!
2. Tim Mack(I really like that guy after seeing him in the piece this weekend)
3. JAson Couch...wow...that's a fun match! Match play master.
4. Rudy Revs!! WOW!
5. Ryan Shafer..his part time coach who I like!
6. Jeremy Sonnenfeld!
7. Pete Weber!
8. Patrick Allen
I think these would be so exciting! and high scoring. NO PREDICTION who would win!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: spinitmopper on August 03, 2006, 05:48:35 PM
Post by: Djarum on August 03, 2006, 08:27:48 PM
Dj
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Post by: Jorge300 on August 03, 2006, 08:31:49 PM
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keys="car keys"
You see ...for 8 months the statements have been coming!
"If I go there I'm going to throw 900 too!"
"If I go there I'm going to throw my first 800"
"If I go there I'm going to beat his little..."
"If I go there I'm going to stare him down and make him admit..."
The thing of it is...eight long months...NOTHING! Nada. Zero.. Zilch.
If I could count the puffery fo statements on this site it must count over 300 of them..."If I go there.....".
ME....I'm not going to go there and bowl him for money on his shot! You think I'm nuts....the guy is an animal! You will see no puffery from me regarding beating him on his home shot!! Their ARE horses for courses!
Next time I start averaging over 250 on my home shot for a protracted period of time...maybe I'll puff up!
BUT....none of this has to do anything with whether he has shot 900 or not!
Not one bit!
The suspense is killing ME! I thought Tim Mack and he were going to bowl a set...a couple of sets...OH I thought that was great...I wasn't sure of the outcome but I was excited about watching a young power bowler against a world recognized power bowler. Now if they said they were going to put on a spare making expedition...not so exciting. Or a sport shot exhibition(YAWN).
Sort of like in golf...IF someone said...want to see an exciting match.
How about John Daly vs Hank Kuene...Guess what...
"And here we are golf fans ...we have an exciting match for you today scheduled for today's pay per view...we've got it...what you were waiting for...
John Daly...Hank Kuehne two of the longest hitters in golf engaged in a chipping and putting contest"...ME..."yawn...boo"!
I want to see strikers strike. I'm over the waiting. Much like when you were in school...a bully comes up to you...."I'm going to kick your butt after school today". Me...I was too impatient for that. "I'm available NOW...could we get started NOW!?" I hate to wait. Was that a prediction!? NOPE!
300 claims I estimate...8 months...no one has gone there(except Tim Mack for a few practice balls together(disappointment)....I hate to wait. Please someone great who lives there or near there...go up there and show us a match on the shot they put out for the 900s! I JUST want to SEE something! Someone find their keys!!!!! ANYONE! Someone in the big hands club! Let's see some striking!
I can envision a series of match's like this.
Titled "Welcome to Robbie's House!".
HEre are my favorite matches.
1. James Hylton...tell me you couldn't promote that match!
2. Tim Mack(I really like that guy after seeing him in the piece this weekend)
3. JAson Couch...wow...that's a fun match! Match play master.
4. Rudy Revs!! WOW!
5. Ryan Shafer..his part time coach who I like!
6. Jeremy Sonnenfeld!
7. Pete Weber!
8. Patrick Allen
I think these would be so exciting! and high scoring. NO PREDICTION who would win!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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If you won't put up your own money to bowl him, shut up with the car keys comments. You ain't getting yours out, stop complaining about others. Where I come from if you talk the talk, you should walk the walk. You are walking s*&t. You sit there and tell everyone else to go there and bowl him to prove something yet, you sit there in your comfy chair and just write posts about others. Until you get off your a&&, you have no grounds to complain about anyone else. Like I said, you made such claims about your business successes, pay my salary for the days off from work, pay my expenses to get there, use your connections with the Musthare family to assure he will be there, and I'll bring my checkbook and we'll see whose better that day. But nooooo, you'd rather sit there and complain about others. Step up ot step off!!
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Post by: UCFKnight300 on August 04, 2006, 01:09:14 AM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on August 04, 2006, 06:49:58 AM
You can read and understand! I appreciate it!
Thanks...one thing that has amazed me about Jorge the Penn State Graduate...
is that he seems to have no logic or more IMPORTANTLY the ability to read.
(all the graduates I know from that university have those two qualities in spades...what happened)?!
Above...I don't see my name listed as challenging him...nor would I ...I believe that strikers strike and he is one of the boys ...I think in the BIG HANDS CLUB!
My point is that someone great lives by him. It would be great to see them bowl on his..."Robbie's" condition and see a link out here to a video.
I seriously would have loved him and Tim Mack to have filmed a set or two!
I'd say I can envision this little set of matches replacing parts of the pro tour this year(how about replace the skills challenge with this set of challenge matches)...or how about pay per view!
I really think it would be exciting! If promoters were around like in the heyday of American promoting the 20s and 30s I can't imagine someone wouldn't see this could sell.
I've listed my top pick...but I"d like to revise my second pick to Steven Black...vs Mushtare.
1. James Hylton
2. Steven Black.
I know this...I'd pay to see those two matches. No prediction who would win...but you got to admit it would be fun. Somehow I just don't think this series would be as exciting on a Sport or Flat condition do you?
If I was a promoter (I'm not) the two above and the previous list of pros...we'd pay trip and mileage and 50,000 to the winner of each match.... winner take all. To a trust fund for Robbie's Education of course. Anyone know if that's legal.
Anyone got a contact at ESPN/pro tour to see if they have any interest in this series?
Jorge300...after looking at a list of prospective bowlers for the free mileage trip and $50,000 match...you didn't make the cut! Neither did I, No interest from the public.(but if maybe you could get your written comments changed to verbal and televised by ESPN..sort of like Steven Black...maybe then we could get some interest). But if you would like to take a trip to beautiful and often cooler upstate NY...to Niagra Falls...Lake Ontario...the St Lawrence seeway...or Canada in the summer...you wouldn't regret it! Just imagine...a refreshing and enjoyable vacation in UPSTATE NY...followed by a wonderful stop by Pine Plains lanes (is close to all of them and a stop in)...a hello...a challenge and a video record of it...appreciated. If not...we understand...it's a long way...you've got a family...these are valid reasons/excuses I really understand! For the rest of you far away..we understand too!
But for the detractors and especially those with puffery...
The "I'm gonna club"....... within 200 to 300 miles...wouldya? And wouldya please? And soon! I JUST WANTA SEE SOMETHING!...ANYTHING?! PLEASE!
The suspense is killing me!
REsgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: Jorge300 on August 04, 2006, 07:17:26 AM
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jorge shut up, lefty has done nothing but back him up and has never requested to take him on, slow ur roll.
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UFC, No I won't shut up. Why? Cause Lefty sits there and calls everyone out to go bowl Robby, and tells them to put their money where their mouth is. He is asking hard working people to give up their own money to go and do this. Now that I called him out on it, he revises his comments to "only 200-300 miles". He is a hack, and he knows it, and you know it too it seems. He wants everyone else to walk the walk yet he doesn't have to. If he is soooo interested in a match, take on the challenge himself. I never said he had requested to bowl him, but if he wants a match so badly, then he can step up to the plate.
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Post by: Jorge300 on August 04, 2006, 07:26:58 AM
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UCF Knight...MIke
You can read and understand! I appreciate it!
Thanks...one thing that has amazed me about Jorge the Penn State Graduate...
is that he seems to have no logic or more IMPORTANTLY the ability to read.
(all the graduates I know from that university have those two qualities in spades...what happened)?!
Above...I don't see my name listed as challenging him...nor would I ...I believe that strikers strike and he is one of the boys ...I think in the BIG HANDS CLUB!
My point is that someone great lives by him. It would be great to see them bowl on his..."Robbie's" condition and see a link out here to a video.
I seriously would have loved him and Tim Mack to have filmed a set or two!
I'd say I can envision this little set of matches replacing parts of the pro tour this year(how about replace the skills challenge with this set of challenge matches)...or how about pay per view!
I really think it would be exciting! If promoters were around like in the heyday of American promoting the 20s and 30s I can't imagine someone wouldn't see this could sell.
I've listed my top pick...but I"d like to revise my second pick to Steven Black...vs Mushtare.
1. James Hylton
2. Steven Black.
I know this...I'd pay to see those two matches. No prediction who would win...but you got to admit it would be fun. Somehow I just don't think this series would be as exciting on a Sport or Flat condition do you?
If I was a promoter (I'm not) the two above and the previous list of pros...we'd pay trip and mileage and 50,000 to the winner of each match.... winner take all. To a trust fund for Robbie's Education of course. Anyone know if that's legal.
Anyone got a contact at ESPN/pro tour to see if they have any interest in this series?
Jorge300...after looking at a list of prospective bowlers for the free mileage trip and $50,000 match...you didn't make the cut! Neither did I, No interest from the public.(but if maybe you could get your written comments changed to verbal and televised by ESPN..sort of like Steven Black...maybe then we could get some interest). But if you would like to take a trip to beautiful and often cooler upstate NY...to Niagra Falls...Lake Ontario...the St Lawrence seeway...or Canada in the summer...you wouldn't regret it! Just imagine...a refreshing and enjoyable vacation in UPSTATE NY...followed by a wonderful stop by Pine Plains lanes (is close to all of them and a stop in)...a hello...a challenge and a video record of it...appreciated. If not...we understand...it's a long way...you've got a family...these are valid reasons/excuses I really understand! For the rest of you far away..we understand too!
But for the detractors and especially those with puffery...
The "I'm gonna club"....... within 200 to 300 miles...wouldya? And wouldya please? And soon! I JUST WANTA SEE SOMETHING!...ANYTHING?! PLEASE!
The suspense is killing me!
REsgards,
Luckylefty
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What am I missing Lefty? I never said you did challenge him, what I said is you SHOULD since you want a match so bad. I think your Penn State comments show your true colors, as stated before by another poster, when you are cornered by either sound logic and reasoning or by someone like me asking to back up what you are asking of others, you resort to your childish name calling.
And I didn't make your list, should I start to cry now? Oh please Lefty, please put me on your list. And now your a travel agent too huh? Well sorry to disappoint you but I've been to those places already. Why should I go back? I'd rather go somewhere I've never been before. Maybe you like to go the same old places all the time, and relive your childhood otr your good ole days or whatever it you do there, but most people like new experiences.
And lastly, it wouldn't be as much fun on a flat or sports pattern, Why? Cause your wunderkind can't hit the water if he feel off a boat on those patterns? Or just because you don't think he is good enough to bowl on those patterns? Why not put out the BTM pattern, it is one of the most difficult patterns I have ever bowled on. No advantge to Robby or whoever you get to bowl him and let's see who is the better bowler. Cause isn't that what you want to know? Or do you just to set it up so Robby looks good against someone obviously better then him? Maybe you can have Robby prebowl his scores for that match, i'll bet he wins then!!
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"Ray, next time someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!!"
Post by: LuckyLefty on August 04, 2006, 07:53:08 AM
Defeated in logic discussion, pinned to the ground in your inconsistencies, shown to be wrong...over and over...you are undeterred. Pointed just above how you are wrong by other people...even people who agree with you on the subject of Mushtare...and you persist...
Impressive...in it's own weird way! YOu are persistent and belligerent at all times(a certain pricklishness that usually is called another word)..a quality that I guess in it's own weird fascination...you take pride in...
YOu make the challenge...then you can't drive that far! OK we understand!
Is there someone else? We got it...you are not going to make it...We understand. You are not scared...it's just an inconvenience that you can't fit in right now. Anyone else? Who doesn't have those reasons/excuses? I assumed closer because people who live farther like you are bowing out due to distance.
At no time have I made the claim that I am a striker in the league of Robert Mushtare...I believe that about MANY bowlers including many great ...and complete bowlers...why...again should I put my money in play against him when I believe he is just as good as he says...when YOU...made the challenge? If you want to make a bet on who would win between you and he in his center on the 900 condition...I'm game...if you are not going to turn me in to the feds?
NO not prebowl...heads up!
Any chance to get back to my idea..
Replace the skills challenge with a bunch of strike fest matches between Robert Mushtare and other 900 shooters, detractors and famous PBA pros...I think they would be quite an attraction! I really like the James Hylton idea!
Okay...I'm braced ...you? Here come a bunch of other pricklish comments...brought to you by Jorge300!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: UCFKnight300 on August 04, 2006, 08:00:02 AM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on August 04, 2006, 08:22:30 AM
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: Jorge300 on August 04, 2006, 12:16:05 PM
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This is just rediculous, sorry for others lack or "reasonability" lefty. Common logic i thought was simple to understand, but i guess not for jorge.
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The only things common around here are you and lefty.
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"Ray, next time someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!!"
Post by: Jorge300 on August 04, 2006, 12:23:56 PM
What logic am I failing to understand. Your original post asked a question, would you bowl him under these conditions. People replied, including me. So now this is a challenge? We are supposed to get into our cars and begin driving to NY right after we answer your question? Mehtinks your original post was just a way for you to continue your bashing of those that don't agree with you then. I find it hard to believe that anyone who answered your question was taking it literally, that by saying we would bowl him it meant we start the trip right now. And if you were thinking that then you are showing some very closemindedness. I am not scared of bowling anyone. I bowl against former and current PBA members in my leagues every week. You started comments like "get the keys", and the like. Yet I am the one being illogical? OK. You keep believing that, if it makes you feel better. Maybe I should start a thread and see how many bowlers want to challenge you, Lefty, and if you decide not to take them up on it I can treat you like you have been treating everyone else.
I do agree with one thing, you are ridiculous. In your groupie love of Musthare, to your ideas about others, to your resorting to childish ridiculing my education. I guess your parents didn't teach you any better.
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"Ray, next time someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!!"
Edited on 8/4/2006 12:20 PM
Post by: LuckyLefty on August 04, 2006, 01:31:28 PM
I just reponded..you do seem to be a new poster...I don't remember a prickly fellow like you in a long time...these posts have been out here since his first 900! Last October??
Not ONE match has taken place...we know your excuse...you are free not to go!
I don't care if you ever bowl him at all! I don't care if you ever bowl anybody! I really could care less about anything you do!
What I care about is that for 8 months I have seen boasting, puffery, lambasting, accusations etc...
8 MONTHS. this is ONE of MANY MANY MANY posts along this line since last year.
Out of all these posts...not ONE...I estimate over 300 posts...not ONE has gone up there to bowl him in his wheelhouse. Do I want to know who the best bowler is! NO! I already know who that is.....Earl Anthony! Virtual tie with Walter Ray Williams...best bowler...I get that on TV!
I want to be entertained...I want to see a Home Run contest. I want to see macho man vs macho man striking for days. It is WHAT HE does...I don't want to see him throw spares! I can go watch sport shots and see that!
I want to see the guys who've called him out bowl him...James Hylton, Steven Black...I want to see top striking pros go after him! I want to see him at what he is best at!! Throwing strikes on an easy condition.
Just like when I go see John Daly...I want to see the big stick...not 5 irons off the tee!
If it was a boxing match I don't want Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield to have a power punch hand tied behind their back and have a jabbing contest...I want bombs away!!!
I don't want to see a 220 average bowler who skies to 230 on this shot!
I don't want to see some old guy bowling with his other hand(like me) shoot a good for him 670 while Robbie shoots 789! I want to see Fireworks!
I want to see Patrick Allen droppin some bombs on him...and him back!
I want to see that Rudy Revs smack coming down! Lets see some bombs! I want to see World travelling Tim MAck droppin some bombs away on him and back!
As to what I really believe MAKE NO MISTAKE, I believe that 99.95% of the bowling population is foolish to think they can stand up to him on his home shot and are going to be donating to him! But after over 300 boasts and claims out here...I want to see 1...just 1...maybe a teeny weeny 1...stand up and do it! NOW.
I could care less what you do Jorge...seriously my post is not about you...you can't do it...stand down..we understand ...we know...please don't post again about why not...THIS is looking for that 1. Or seeing if anybody thinks we could get ESPN interested a series of these knockout matches scheduled and broadcast!
That's fun! That's what I want.
I'm hoping the next post is...JOe Big Bombs bowler saying...I'm going! PLEASE!
NO more posts that say...I'd go ............BUT!!! For those who can't make it...we truly do understand...no more posts are necessary...move on with your bowling life in your area! ...PLEASE...no mas!
Luckylefty
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Post by: LuckyLefty on August 04, 2006, 04:43:21 PM
And I rushed over to see who was travelling!
Nope just Mr. Nothing to add poster!
Bummer!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: Jorge300 on August 04, 2006, 09:33:39 PM
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Damn...another I can't make it post!
And I rushed over to see who was travelling!
Nope just Mr. Nothing to add poster!
Bummer!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Lefty, for you, just for you:
This is some inside information about the ESPN and Mustare segment.
Mushtare, Mack and Jamie Grimm all bowled five games.
No 300s, 900s or any honor scores were shot.
Tim Mack averaged roughly 220. Robert was NOWHERE as high as Mack, even though they bowled on the pair that he shot one of his 900s on. Mr. 300 Jamie Grimm was lucky to shoot 150!
I'm glad I told the person who was responsible for getting ESPN interested in the show to include Jamie Grimm, because his "alleged" pre-bowled 300 game ended up being more unbelievable than Mushtare's "alleged" 900s! To quote somebody who was there at the segment; "No way did Jamie Grimm shoot 300, he can't even average 150."
I'd love to hear those who defend Robert, to explain why he couldn't average over 200 for five games while bowling at his walled-up home house. I guess the pressure got to him, or could it have been because of having "real" witnesses around?
That was from bowl.com,so you can go see it for yourself since I know you won't believe me.
Maybe you should pay up on that bet now!!
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"Ray, next time someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!!"
Post by: Jorge300 on August 07, 2006, 07:26:54 AM
Lefty, no response, I hope you paid your bet.
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"Ray, next time someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!!"
Post by: LuckyLefty on August 07, 2006, 10:41:59 AM
Personality...don't need it...just need strikes!
The guys I listed all have personality enough for the whole show!
Jorge,
Bet? You wouldn't allow any bets?!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS...I want to see it on film! That's all...please...no mas!
Please...next post....I'm going...my name is Joe...Big Bombs!
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Post by: Jorge300 on August 07, 2006, 11:34:59 AM
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Go away, Troll Boy.
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That's right. I said it!
K-Dawg, if you don't want to read anymore about Musthare, stop coming into the threads that are about him. It's very simple, just look at the title of the thread, and if it mentions his name, don't click on it. If you can't get that straight then stop your b1tching.
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"Ray, next time someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!!"
Post by: Jorge300 on August 07, 2006, 11:58:59 AM
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Go away, Troll Boy.
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That's right. I said it!
Very original, what's next..... How about Return of the Go Away Troll Boy....or perhaps....Night of the Living Go Away Troll Boy......or my favorite......Go Away Troll Boy LIVES!!!
Pathetic man, really pathetic.
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"Ray, next time someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!!"
Post by: Jorge300 on August 07, 2006, 12:59:56 PM
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Go away, Troll Boy.
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That's right. I said it!
Make me!! LOL
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"Ray, next time someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!!"
Post by: Jorge300 on August 07, 2006, 01:05:50 PM
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"Ray, next time someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!!"
Post by: Jorge300 on August 07, 2006, 01:07:35 PM
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Go away, Troll Boy.
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That's right. I said it!
Make me!! LOL
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"Ray, next time someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!!"
Post by: Jorge300 on August 07, 2006, 01:08:38 PM
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"Ray, next time someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!!"
Post by: Jorge300 on August 07, 2006, 01:11:32 PM
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Post by: LuckyLefty on August 07, 2006, 05:13:34 PM
I am at a loss regarding the Jamie Grimm quotes from Bowl.com
I don't usually participate there. I went and read thru two pages of forums some titled Mustare...some title ESPN etc. I could not find comments regarding the Tim MAck, Mushtare, Jamie Grimm matches. NOr could I find the score sheets out there. Did they all know they were bowling a match?...and did they put down the 900 type shot that had put out for the 900s???
Could you post the link to these sections of bowl.com that refer to the event...answer the above questions and where they have you listed in the ESPN credits??? Always interested to learn more.
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: MI 2 AZ on August 07, 2006, 07:16:24 PM
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Post by: Jorge300 on August 07, 2006, 10:05:57 PM
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Jorge300,
I am at a loss regarding the Jamie Grimm quotes from Bowl.com
I don't usually participate there. I went and read thru two pages of forums some titled Mustare...some title ESPN etc. I could not find comments regarding the Tim MAck, Mushtare, Jamie Grimm matches. NOr could I find the score sheets out there. Did they all know they were bowling a match?...and did they put down the 900 type shot that had put out for the 900s???
Could you post the link to these sections of bowl.com that refer to the event...answer the above questions and where they have you listed in the ESPN credits??? Always interested to learn more.
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Thanks MI 2, you got to it before I did.
Lefty, what are you blabbering about now with this ESPN stuff, you missed my name on the credits?!? Should it have been there?!? For as smart as you say you are, you make no sesne most of the time.
And this is a new excuse..."did they know they were in a match?" So now it doesn't matter cause they didn't say they were bowling to see who wins? What, you think Musthare was laying down bowling against Mack? He didn't want to show him anything so he can beat him later on? Cmon man, at least try and confuse us with 90 paragraphs like normal, don't try and make us buy that kind of bull. You are realy sinking yourself.
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"Ray, next time someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!!"
Edited on 8/8/2006 7:07 AM
Post by: LuckyLefty on August 08, 2006, 09:27:07 AM
There is a post by a guy...named "Not Ted Hannahs".
I thought the post was from you JOrge and it stated that the influence he had on the show.."Not Ted Hannahs" led to the inclusion of Jamie Grimm.
I thought Jorge300 had made this request and should be on the ESPN credits.
However from another source who had gone thru Tim Mack's coach...I was told there was no match. No mention of Jamie Grimm thru this other source or any score being kept! It was said..."a few balls were thrown together between Tim Mack and Robert Mushtare". That is all I have heard from the other source I had.
Nevertheless...I am disappointed. NOt rooting for any party because I am very impressed with Tim MAck. Just wanted to see a rousing match on a high scoring condition.
I need to hear more details and as to any negotiations I may have had with another person...they have been private or ceased since someone on this site looked like they were possibly trying to make trouble for a possible participant in a possible match. I await any new information from a named and reliable source...I don't know if I would classify someone named.."Not Ted Hannahs" as a source of information.
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: Jorge300 on August 08, 2006, 12:47:25 PM
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OK...I looked at it.
There is a post by a guy...named "Not Ted Hannahs".
I thought the post was from you JOrge and it stated that the influence he had on the show.."Not Ted Hannahs" led to the inclusion of Jamie Grimm.
I thought Jorge300 had made this request and should be on the ESPN credits.
However from another source who had gone thru Tim Mack's coach...I was told there was no match. No mention of Jamie Grimm thru this other source or any score being kept! It was said..."a few balls were thrown together between Tim Mack and Robert Mushtare". That is all I have heard from the other source I had.
Nevertheless...I am disappointed. NOt rooting for any party because I am very impressed with Tim MAck. Just wanted to see a rousing match on a high scoring condition.
I need to hear more details and as to any negotiations I may have had with another person...they have been private or ceased since someone on this site looked like they were possibly trying to make trouble for a possible participant in a possible match. I await any new information from a named and reliable source...I don't know if I would classify someone named.."Not Ted Hannahs" as a source of information.
REgards,
Luckylefty
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That poster is not a reliable source to prove if the match happened or not? Yet, you believe Robert when there isn't a relialbe source to prove he accomplsihed his feat either! So because this goes against what you believe it's false, but if it had said that Robby tore up Tim Mack, made him look stupid, and almost shot another 900, then it would have be legit?
Wow, I have heard of selective listening, selective reading, but this takes it to a new level. So heresay is ok, if it suits you, but it's a lie otherwise. Very nice Lefty. All I can say I am very very glad I don't do business with you.
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"Ray, next time someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!!"
Post by: LuckyLefty on August 08, 2006, 01:10:05 PM
That comment my detractor...not in your best interest and is printed out at this time with the other business accusations! The hole may be getting deeper!
I have gone to a very well respected source with direct contact with Tim Mack's coach...he insists no match was staged in my last written communication with him. He is not an anonymous poster such as "Not Ted Hannah's" from bowl.com. This person is not on my side in the debate of whether Robert Mustare did or did not shoot 900...and frankly he was just telling me the truth as he knew it! There is nobody claiming I have not dealt fairly with him on any business issue on this site except YOU. You stand dangerously alone in your wild WRITTEN claims.
I am giving you 24 hours to post your RETRACTION regarding your WRITTEN comments regarding accusations of business malfeasance on my part. These are very serious written allegations. I have also on this site multiple (in the hundres of transactions) on this site where my reputation for fair dealing is well known. Carefully consider your next ill considered rant!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: Jorge300 on August 08, 2006, 01:16:59 PM
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Not what I expected...
That comment my detractor...not in your best interest and is printed out at this time with the other business accusations! The hole may be getting deeper!
I have gone to a very well respected source with direct contact with Tim Mack's coach...he insists no match was staged in my last written communication with him. He is not an anonymous poster such as "Not Ted Hannah's" from bowl.com. This person is not on my side in the debate of whether Robert Mustare did or did not shoot 900...and frankly he was just telling me the truth as he knew it! There is nobody claiming I have not dealt fairly with him on any business issue on this site except YOU. You stand dangerously alone in your wild WRITTEN claims.
I am giving you 24 hours to post your RETRACTION regarding your WRITTEN comments regarding accusations of business malfeasance on my part. These are very serious written allegations. I have also on this site multiple (in the hundres of transactions) on this site where my reputation for fair dealing is well known. Carefully consider your next ill considered rant!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Lefty, What is your problem with me? I have never had a transaction with you on here, I admit that, and I never will. I am making no accusations, just stating my opinion on things. And last time I checked that was 100% legal, I believe it is called the 1st amendment. And I never stopped you from making a bet with whoever that other poster was, I am sorry that I don't remember his name. But in a repsonse to me, you said all the arrangements were made and wanted me to do the same with you. So based on your words the wager was complete. I justed wanted to know if you paid, cause I didn't think you would.
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"Ray, next time someone asks you if you're a god, you say YES!!"
Post by: Fluff E Bunnie on August 08, 2006, 02:52:38 PM
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Current Arsenal:
Geddy Lee
Of salesmen!
Post by: KDawg77 on August 08, 2006, 02:59:20 PM
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That's right. I said it!