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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: JPbowling151 on September 22, 2016, 03:22:38 PM
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Anyone else besides me notice the jab Tom Daugherty took at Storm when he won the title last night? *spoiler alert I'm guessing Tom and Storm didn't part ways on the best of terms?
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"Jab"???
If it were the 1800s, I'd say he just hit him it the face with his gloves and challenged Belmonte to pistols at 50 paces. Seriously.
He screamed at the camera, "He can't beat me!" as loudly as I've ever heard on bowling TV.
Seems like Daughtery either has a major axe to grind with Belmonte or else he's trying to replace Peter Weber as bowling's "Bad Boy".
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Daugherty was fiery last night to say the least. That jab at Storm was definitely uncalled for though. He could have left it at "Hammer- thank you for believing in me" and nobody would be talking about it today.
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Im more surprised that Barnes didnt rip his shirt off.
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Daugherty was fiery last night to say the least. That jab at Storm was definitely uncalled for though. He could have left it at "Hammer- thank you for believing in me" and nobody would be talking about it today.
People don't talk about bowling, period.
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Don't know what happened between T.D. and Storm, but it seemed that he was inclined to let Belmonte know that in five contests T.D. won them all.
How about the so called greatest bowler currently on the planet Chris Barnes (not me stating this, but maybe Randy P. & others) choking once again. All he needed was a double strike. Should not have been all that hard for someone the caliber of Barnes, unless you choke.
I thought Mark Baker straightened Barnes out, apparently not!
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Don't know what happened between T.D. and Storm, but it seemed that he was inclined to let Belmonte know that in five contests T.D. won them all.
How about the so called greatest bowler currently on the planet Chris Barnes (not me stating this, but maybe Randy P. & others) choking once again. All he needed was a double strike. Should not have been all that hard for someone the caliber of Barnes, unless you choke.
I thought Mark Baker straightened Barnes out, apparently not!
I have a feeling you did not listen to how tough this "condition" became and how spotty it was. I understand you don't like Barnes, but every time he doesn't win is not a choke.
To my eyes, Daugherty was the only one with a good ball reaction and he "only" had to make a minor adjustment several times but he had to be consistent with ball speed and targeting and release, which is why he won.
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Charlest,
Where did I say I did not like Barnes? I said he has a reputation for "choking" which is a known and published fact. To the point it was written that he sought the help of Mark Baker to help him. It seemed to work for a while, but it may be he has regressed. I don't know, but I think its fair to speculate based on his history.
Please don't put words in my mouth. I feel if your a pro the caliber of Barnes asking for a double is not asking for the moon no matter how tough the conditions. T.D. did not seem to have trouble scoring doubles upon doubles. That's why their pros and we are not.. Many pros before him have stepped up to the challenge before them on equally tough conditions. You don't have to agree with me, but never state something you don't know about my personal feelings for Barnes or anyone on the tour. Thank you.
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sorry bowaholic, but I must agree with charlest . his analyst was spot on. as far as putting words in your mouth that is between you two.
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Charlest,
Where did I say I did not like Barnes? I said he has a reputation for "choking" which is a known and published fact. To the point it was written that he sought the help of Mark Baker to help him. It seemed to work for a while, but it may be he has regressed. I don't know, but I think its fair to speculate based on his history.
Please don't put words in my mouth. I feel if your a pro the caliber of Barnes asking for a double is not asking for the moon no matter how tough the conditions. T.D. did not seem to have trouble scoring doubles upon doubles. That's why their pros and we are not.. Many pros before him have stepped up to the challenge before them on equally tough conditions. You don't have to agree with me, but never state something you don't know about my personal feelings for Barnes or anyone on the tour. Thank you.
What charlest said is absolutely right about Barnes. Barnes does not always choke. But it did happen back in the 2008 TOC where Barnes was up 53 against Haugen Jr. after 7 frames and then completely imploded to hand the title to Haugen Jr. If Barnes didn't miss the 10 pin, he wins that tournament.
I don't think Barnes choked against Tom Daugherty. He, along with Belmo and Simonsen had brutal ball reactions with resin. Lavoie was thowing resin on the left lane and that was an undoing for him. TD just made a few moves, went to a weaker pin urethane in the match against Lavoie and controlled the pocket all night.
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It was stated Barnes had brutal bowl reaction.........then how did he strike in the 7th,8th,& 9th? Hum!
When Barnes walked on the approach bent down & picked up his ball while wiping it was clear he was not confident. Then when he looked up he looked like a deer in headlights. (go back and review the tape, it's on you tube). It was then that I said to my buddies, he is going to choke.
You'all may have seen something different, but that is what I saw and you know what that's OK. We all see things differently.
But, I will not subscribe to a bad ball reaction for Barnes going into the 10th coming off a three bagger. If anyone all of a sudden had a bad ball reaction it was T.D.
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As a new bowler and fan of bowling. It just seems to me that the winner had a better day then the rest of them. If the pros could get 300 evertime they would.If they could throw double strikes when ever they want, they would. This is why they play the game. Just because they are pros don't mean they can hit whatever pin they want when they want. Just my .02
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It was stated Barnes had brutal bowl reaction.........then how did he strike in the 7th,8th,& 9th? Hum!
When Barnes walked on the approach bent down & picked up his ball while wiping it was clear he was not confident. Then when he looked up he looked like a deer in headlights. (go back and review the tape, it's on you tube). It was then that I said to my buddies, he is going to choke.
You'all may have seen something different, but that is what I saw and you know what that's OK. We all see things differently.
But, I will not subscribe to a bad ball reaction for Barnes going into the 10th coming off a three bagger. If anyone all of a sudden had a bad ball reaction it was T.D.
Just because one finds a way to strike, doesn't mean you have "good ball reaction". His ball reaction was...not...good.
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It was stated Barnes had brutal bowl reaction.........then how did he strike in the 7th,8th,& 9th? Hum!
When Barnes walked on the approach bent down & picked up his ball while wiping it was clear he was not confident. Then when he looked up he looked like a deer in headlights. (go back and review the tape, it's on you tube). It was then that I said to my buddies, he is going to choke.
You'all may have seen something different, but that is what I saw and you know what that's OK. We all see things differently.
But, I will not subscribe to a bad ball reaction for Barnes going into the 10th coming off a three bagger. If anyone all of a sudden had a bad ball reaction it was T.D.
As you stated, you have every right to form your own opinion of how things went down; however, I think that you're giving yourself a lot of credit for powers of intuition that may or may not be there. You just KNOW from seeing the way he picked up his ball what was going through his mind and how he'd react in that moment? I'm not sure I buy that. Yes, maybe you did get a feeling that he was uncomfortable before making that shot, and he clearly didn't make his best shot. Does that automatically mean it was a choke?
A lot of this comes down to one's definition of what it means to choke. I view the Barnes-Haugen match from a few years back as a choke. I view Mika, one of the Tour's best spare shooters, flagging a 10-pin to hand Norm a major as a choke. Barnes failing to come up with a big double on tough lanes when he'd barely found the pocket all game long doesn't necessarily equal a choke in my book.
To me, flagging a 10-pin is a choke for a pro. To me, missing the head-pin on a crucial shot (when you haven't missed it once before) is a choke for a pro. There are other examples, but I think you get the point. I think that a lot of people are quick to throw out the choke label anytime someone fails to perform. Not all losses = a choke in my book. There is a lot that goes into it for me to throw that label out there. Maybe you're different.
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Didn't Barnes have back surgery earlier this year? If so, I think he did well to even make the show.
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I feel if your a pro the caliber of Barnes asking for a double is not asking for the moon no matter how tough the conditions.
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I thought the telecast was excellent, I really did enjoy it. As far as Chris Barnes goes he did not choke he just had a bad ball reaction and like the commentators said many times he probably had the wrong ball. Now as far as TD goes all is fair in love and war and beating Belmonte 5 times in a roe without a loss gives him that right but you just know when it finally happens and Belmonte wins he is going to run his mouth. Remember when Mika used to say I am lefties worst nightmare. All in all I think it is good for the game.
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I'm like Chris Barnes and actually he is one of my favorite players. However, I know his history on televised events (look it up) and its not good. So when I saw that 'deer in the headlight' look as I previously stated I said to my buddie's he is going to choke (throw a bad shot) and that's actually what he did.
If you want to say he did not choke by all means that's your privilege. But, I call it a choke based on his past TV record.
So to end this let's just agree to disagree and move on.