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Doc Hollywood

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You don't know it, til you throw it
« on: May 09, 2003, 01:24:33 AM »
I thought I would post this over here as well since there is more traffic.

With all the hype lately about ball reaction charts and how does one ball companies chart compare to anothers chart as well as the numerous number of posters on this board that try and state their opinions based on RG, Diff Values and the like without throwing the balls and comparing are getting annoying.

Some people just think that they have knowledge and can speak out but don't have any proof besides their own opinions based on what the manufacturers state.

This a bunch of BS.

I only comment on what I have thrown and can compare it what I have thrown. That can't be said for a lot of bowlers on this site.

I hate it when people state "Well that's what the chart says" and "well based on the numbers this ball should do this" or "I think with that coverstock the ball should do ........."

Cmon people if you want to give an honest evaluation to someone state whether or not you have thrown the ball and on what conditon. Don't say "Well I think........"

I get to test a lot of differnet balls on the market and there are a few others on this site that get to compare a lot of balls and we all have the ability to throw on different conditions and lanes and different releases too.

If you want to become a better evaluator then do it. Just don't state frank opinions. After all Opinions are like A holes. Everyone has one and if you don't you are full of it. Opinions don't cut it and reading the ball charts don't either.


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Doc Hollywood

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Re: You don't know it, til you throw it
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2003, 05:26:34 PM »
Leftside - What I am stating isn't my opinion and I am not going to go through the archive to look for every piece of factual evidence.  If you have read other posts about some of these so called comparisons they are there.

You are correct in saying that they are "able to determine the general reaction that should be obtained for a ball based on it's core/coverstock/spec combination. BUT a general reaction and an actual reaction are too differnet things.

The world is full of glittering generalities.  That doesn't make it true.

What I have seen is that some of these general opinions have caused people to make wrong costly decisions on ball buying.  

I know that I have read the charts and others have stated as well that they have compared the charts and then people inquire about a certain ball and the best that can be surmised is that Joe knows someone that throws the ball and it is perfect for that situation when in fact theyu don't know squat.  The person buys a ball and finds out it's a POS.  Then it's sold for less.

I know it has happened to me and I know that if you and others can be honest with themselves then it has happened to you as well.


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RandyO

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Re: You don't know it, til you throw it
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2003, 05:46:17 PM »
Which is why Bowling This Month and Bowlers Journal are excellent tools. You can look at one companies chart and tell how each of their balls relates to the others, but that doesn’t tell you diddley-poop about how company ‘A’s balls compare to company ‘B’s balls. BTM and BJI give their own numbers based on their test, and I have found them to be reasonably accurate. Also, BTM posts the lane type and oil pattern, along with 3 different layouts on the balls. If they tell you that ball ‘A’ has a length of 6 with a backend of 14.0, and that ball ‘B’ has a length of 8 with a backend of 12, you can be assured that ball ‘A’ is a much bigger hooker, and is going to start up earlier than ball ‘B’. Unless you have lots of money to throw away experimenting, the magazine is the way to go. In a perfect world, you should be able to get that information from your Pro Shop, but often they have their own agenda, so that advice is often suspect. Use the magazines – that’s the only logical alternative to the $$$$$ game.
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da Shiv

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Re: You don't know it, til you throw it
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2003, 06:12:27 PM »
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This a bunch of BS.


I've noticed that I've been a lot better off since I started applying the above philosophy to the vast majority of what I hear from anybody about anything.  

I never advise anyone about a ball I haven't used myself, and only rarely will I advise anyone about a ball I've used myself if I haven't seen the advisee bowl.



 
quote:
Adjusting is evil, why do it? Just complain


Why confine yourself to one?  I prefer to adjust AND complain.

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Buzzhead

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Re: You don't know it, til you throw it
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2003, 06:41:29 PM »
Doc he would have checked the archives himself but he already deleted all the posts pertaining to ..... well just about anything.
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Doc Hollywood

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Re: You don't know it, til you throw it
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2003, 07:00:05 PM »
ROFLMAO Zonethrower.


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Buzzhead

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Re: You don't know it, til you throw it
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2003, 07:18:00 PM »
someone thought it was PHUNNY !!!!!!!!! I still DO !!!!!!!!!!

I also think you should not make suggestions unless you have thrown the ball in question, and then only to someone who has a similar style to you.
 and leftside I did not tell my wife to get on here she did it of her own free will. I think just maybe once she may have shot 499....
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FAILURE IS FEEDBACK. AND FEEDBACK IS THE BREAKFAST OF CHAMPIONS THAT GOT DIGESTED!

Ten pin?????? Where?? I throw a BUZZSAW there is NUTTIN left on the deck...

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Zman

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Re: You don't know it, til you throw it
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2003, 09:22:56 PM »
As a former part owner/driller in a pro shop I can tell you that I NEVER suggested a ball for anyone without seeing them throw a bowling ball 1st on a lane condition I was familiar with unless they insisted after I explained why I wanted to see them throw the ball.


Now there are some people that can tell you accurately what their PAP and ball speed and rev rate is like and what type of lanes and shot they are bowling on.
I don't have a problem suggesting a ball for someone that has that info even if I have never thrown the ball in question.

I have to agree 100% with Bullred. If I have done my homework on the balls then I can make a recommendation. especially if the shot is a typical house shots. Alot of equipment works well on that shot. I prefer to see the person throw the ball and it helps if i have thrown the ball they are interested in but it's not set in granite that I have to have thrown it.

There were times people did ask me about a particular ball and I had to call
the company and ask them about it. That's what a good shop should do if they don't feel they have enough info.
   

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