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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: BrunsNick on January 08, 2015, 03:35:44 PM
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Great video I think Hammer needs to rename the Bad Ass to Weak Ass.Maybe that can be Hammers next release.J/King all you Hammer fans.I am a Brunswick fan.Brunswick and Radical are really making great stuff.Any news on who's going to buy Brunswick.Getting kinda worried since 900 Global And AMF are under Storm now.Don't think they would buy anymore and Ebonite surely is not a choice.Only one I could think of is Motive maybe?Are we going to hear any news soon Brunsnick?
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Nick can you give us the info release date on that last greenish looking " coming soon " ball?
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Hybrid Guru.
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Coming Soon... Damn that looks good. Looks like possibly a hybrid cover.
I should be getting my Guru this weekend. I can't wait to throw it
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I don't have that info, the teaser is all we get for now.
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Brunsnick, Any info on Buyers yet? Suspence is killing me.
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None yet, all they tell us is that it'd down to the final few and it's close.
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Yeah, the videos don't lie! Really good stuff.
Really interested in the Guru brother but I never see enough oil for something that strong. The new ball with a hybrid or pearl cover might be what I need for THS with my lower revs/speed.
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900G was still slighted here. :P
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I have a feeling these videos will become a common thing. All we need is Bill Nye to join the team and narrate.
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I have a feeling these videos will become a common thing. All we need is Bill Nye to join the team and narrate.
Good to hear the videos are going to be a common thing Nick. Oh, don't forget about not slighting other companies next time, maybe a Brunswick ball next time? (Sarcasm off)
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So will we ever see a ball that performs better than a radical? I'm sure there isn't one. Lol.
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Would've liked to see the Guru up against the C300 Melt Down.
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Would've liked to see the Guru up against the C300 Melt Down.
Too new of a ball. From my understanding these videos are shot much early on.
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I've seen that Bad Ass in action. Weak Ass is being rather generous. How about overrated Sorry Ass?
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great vid.. now people can't complain the guru was never compared to the crux and jackal
poor bad ass getting so much hate just needs that polish taken off is all
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Would've liked to see the Guru up against the C300 Melt Down.
Too new of a ball. From my understanding these videos are shot much early on.
I own the Guru, and I was able to throw the Melt Down extensively at an EBI Demo Day back in November. The Melt Down is a nice ball, but it's not as strong as the Guru. I wanted it to be because I'm throwing more Columbia than the other brands I own (mostly Storm and Motiv).
I'm not a Radical guy, but they know they have the real deal in the Guru. I like that they're not afraid to put it head-to-head with any other oil ball. From my experience with the Guru so far, I'd be surprised if they lose any of these throwbot competitions.
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I've seen that Bad Ass in action. Weak Ass is being rather generous. How about overrated Sorry Ass?
Considering it is a pearl symmetric made for Medium oil, it's no a bad ball. A little pricey, yes. But it do well on the patterns that it is INTENDED for.
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Great job and Thanks again to Phil, Mo, and the entire Radical Team for putting together these videos. It really helps being able to see the different balls on one video.
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Just an added note, I went on line and check the pricing, the Guru is any where from $10 to $15 less expensive than the Crux, Sinister, Bad Ass and Jackal. So you get the best performance, most hook and best price. That sound like the trifecta to me.
Wow that Radical!!!
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Great vids. Enjoy seeing side by side comparisons in a manor to help someone put together a better lineup that may better match what they are looking for. How surface plays a big key in reaction.
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Great video first off. I really like this style of comparison. I do appreciate these.
However. Until I see guru versus hyper cell or something high end with NRG on it, I am going to have to assume the guru is weaker than the 2. No realizes that the zero and crux have storms weaker cover, ERG...because NRG was too strong for most (as was r3x).
I see the hierarchy as follows:
Hyper/sync/vivid
Guru
Crux
Sinister
Zero
This js how I see it. My crux isn't that strong and its a board deeper that the guru in the video. Anyone guessing that that an assym with NRG is 3-4 stronger being that crux is 1 board stronger In the video?
Not trying to stir the pot as this is a great visual.
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I think what the video really identifies is that the Guru fills a void that isn't currently filled by any other company on the market right now. However, I'd like to see it up against an IQ Tour Nano. Actually the Nano may be closer to the "coming soon" ball they teased, but other than the Guru, a big hooking ball with length and a strong backend motion just isn't available right now, though I think the Nano if taken to 2k or 3k would be extremely close.
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Maybe it's just silly me but couldn't you just adjust your line and boom you are lined up with the other balls?
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Great video first off. I really like this style of comparison. I do appreciate these.
However. Until I see guru versus hyper cell or something high end with NRG on it, I am going to have to assume the guru is weaker than the 2. No realizes that the zero and crux have storms weaker cover, ERG...because NRG was too strong for most (as was r3x).
Bill, I too would like to see the Hyper Cell thrown into the video mix. It would put some of these suggestions that the comparison balls are being cherry picked to rest.
Still, there is non-video evidence that says the Guru isn't being overhyped. BJI's November 2014 review of the Guru says it provides more hook than any ball they've reviewed to date. That's a pretty out-in-front statement for a major bowling magazine to make.
My direct experience with Guru vs. a NRG coverstock ball was in an 8-gamer on the PBA 50' Don Carter pattern. The pattern started very tight, and the Guru was the only ball I had that would transition from the oil with enough teeth to give me a good angle of entry to the pocket.
When the heads/mids started to go and I needed to ball down, I went to my NRG cover Marvel-S. The Marvel-S was the right choice after the transition, but gave me a little too much skid on the fresh during practice. It was OK, but clearly not as strong as the Guru. Maybe the core in the Hyper would have made a significant difference, but the NRG cover by itself wasn't enough.
Another interesting contrast I found was how the respective covers absorbed oil during play. I used the Guru for most of the first 5 games, wiping the ball down between each shot. Given how heavy the oil was, I was surprised how little of an oil shine developed. On the other hand, the Marvel-S developed more of a shine than the Guru after just two games.
In any case, keep the videos coming. It's refreshing to see a company willing to head-to-head.
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Maybe it's just silly me but couldn't you just adjust your line and boom you are lined up with the other balls?
+1
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Maybe it's just silly me but couldn't you just adjust your line and boom you are lined up with the other balls?
Yes, but I think the point of the video is that the guru hooks the most.
What it doesn't show is how versatile/sensitive the ball is to different types of conditions. Maybe that will be next....anyway I do like the throwbot comparisons a lot.
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not trying to stir the pot,
but 3 balls are asym and the bad ass sym.
regardless of test drillings/surface, asym's and sym's are different animals
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That "Coming Soon" ball is a new Guru!!!!
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And this was the response I was waiting for. A 5 in pin pap Asymm is stronger than the same on a symm. It would just be cool if bias wasn't shown.
And Gunner, I established earlier that a Hybrid Guru is coming.
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Who said the next Guru was a hybrid?
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Sorry I must have missed it in the comments...
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Brunswick brand covers absorb oil a lot slower than other companies/brands do, so that's not too surprising.
Another interesting contrast I found was how the respective covers absorbed oil during play. I used the Guru for most of the first 5 games, wiping the ball down between each shot. Given how heavy the oil was, I was surprised how little of an oil shine developed. On the other hand, the Marvel-S developed more of a shine than the Guru after just two games.
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Who said the next Guru was a hybrid?
are you denying it?
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yes.
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Guess we will see.
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Great video first off. I really like this style of comparison. I do appreciate these.
However. Until I see guru versus hyper cell or something high end with NRG on it, I am going to have to assume the guru is weaker than the 2. No realizes that the zero and crux have storms weaker cover, ERG...because NRG was too strong for most (as was r3x).
Bill, I too would like to see the Hyper Cell thrown into the video mix. It would put some of these suggestions that the comparison balls are being cherry picked to rest.
Still, there is non-video evidence that says the Guru isn't being overhyped. BJI's November 2014 review of the Guru says it provides more hook than any ball they've reviewed to date. That's a pretty out-in-front statement for a major bowling magazine to make.
My direct experience with Guru vs. a NRG coverstock ball was in an 8-gamer on the PBA 50' Don Carter pattern. The pattern started very tight, and the Guru was the only ball I had that would transition from the oil with enough teeth to give me a good angle of entry to the pocket.
When the heads/mids started to go and I needed to ball down, I went to my NRG cover Marvel-S. The Marvel-S was the right choice after the transition, but gave me a little too much skid on the fresh during practice. It was OK, but clearly not as strong as the Guru. Maybe the core in the Hyper would have made a significant difference, but the NRG cover by itself wasn't enough.
Another interesting contrast I found was how the respective covers absorbed oil during play. I used the Guru for most of the first 5 games, wiping the ball down between each shot. Given how heavy the oil was, I was surprised how little of an oil shine developed. On the other hand, the Marvel-S developed more of a shine than the Guru after just two games.
In any case, keep the videos coming. It's refreshing to see a company willing to head-to-head.
Maybe it was because you were comparing a rolly core with a strong cover making it appear not as strong. Heck, I wasn't a fan of the marvel-s either. Poor cover/core matchup for me.
I wanna see assym solid versus assym solid. Strong ones, not weak ones, not hybrid ones, not polished ones, and certainly not polished symmetricals on flat patterns expecting them to out hook an assym solid.
I can put my hyper against a marvel pearl and indubitably promise you the hyper will cover more boards. Same the can be said with the guru/badass.
Still, I do appreciate the videos...as much as I like discussing the videos! :)
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Guess we will see.
Now that's funny!!!!
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Phil, you just told us that it's either a 100% pearl or 100% solid.
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nope. Its neither. That's all I'm gonna say at this time. I will say we are in uncharted territory with the current Guru cover and the next ball goes to a new level. We are the Coverstock leaders.
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nope. Its neither. That's all I'm gonna say at this time. I will say we are in uncharted territory with the current Guru cover and the next ball goes to a new level. We are the Coverstock leaders.
If this next ball is for medium oil then I will be first in line! I love the stuff Brunswick is pouring and have always wanted to try Radical.
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IDK the Crux still looks good to me.
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WOW! :o that is all.
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nope. Its neither. That's all I'm gonna say at this time. I will say we are in uncharted territory with the current Guru cover and the next ball goes to a new level. We are the Coverstock leaders.
That is radical! From the man!
Intriguing to say the least!
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Guess we will see.
Now that's funny!!!!
the video that your company, Radical, just released on the Guru Mighty states that the cover is indeed a hybrid. Hmmm