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Rileybowler

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Players Championship
« on: February 17, 2019, 05:03:29 PM »
I am very surprised that there haven't been any post of the Players Championship today. I will not say who won because some of you may be taping it to watch later, but I thought that the match for the title was one of the best I have seen in a long time, I really enjoyed watching it.
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Re: Players Championship
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2019, 07:00:35 PM »
The winner bowled where they said he couldn't bowl for that particular shot but he proved them wrong, he bowled excellent in both matches and he deserved to win and it was just a great show.
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Re: Players Championship
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2019, 10:09:12 PM »
Agree with all of it. Great show. Randy definitely has a man crush on belmo. Plus they’re both on same staff. Belmo’s ball reaction was way to angular with that high rg hyroad nano, coming in behind the head pin leaving those two 7-10’s. I’m surprised he and the ball reps landed on that ball choice. Obviously wrong one.

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Re: Players Championship
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2019, 10:26:42 PM »
I'm confused. Mo said that if anyone drills a ball pin down, they should bring their spare ball. What went wrong?

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Re: Players Championship
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2019, 10:52:33 PM »
I'm confused. Mo said that if anyone drills a ball pin down, they should bring their spare ball. What went wrong?

Taken out of context. Quote the entire segment.
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Re: Players Championship
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2019, 06:32:38 AM »
I'm confused. Mo said that if anyone drills a ball pin down, they should bring their spare ball. What went wrong?

Taken out of context. Quote the entire segment.

Pin to PAP being the bigger determining factor in ball reaction then pin up vs pin down?
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Re: Players Championship
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2019, 07:45:37 AM »
I'm confused. Mo said that if anyone drills a ball pin down, they should bring their spare ball. What went wrong?

Taken out of context. Quote the entire segment.

Pin to PAP being the bigger determining factor in ball reaction then pin up vs pin down?

Yes, but that wasn't the context either.

Mo isn't saying that pin down balls do not work, he's saying they do not work in the majority of cases. He gave two examples of when they do work -- Liz Johnson playing straighter works because she doesn't hook it and wants to control the pocket. The other example is high rev players. He also mentioned a scenario where it absolutely doesn't work, and that's with high track players on a typical league night. (thump thump thump)

Impending Doom's snarky comment was in regards to Simonsen winning with a pin down ball. Well, allow me to absolve his confusion... He was playing straight and he's a high rev player.
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Re: Players Championship
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2019, 08:15:38 AM »
I'm confused. Mo said that if anyone drills a ball pin down, they should bring their spare ball. What went wrong?

Well Doom that’s because it goes against his recommendation of 3 3/8x20 lol.
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Re: Players Championship
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2019, 10:00:18 AM »
I'm confused. Mo said that if anyone drills a ball pin down, they should bring their spare ball. What went wrong?

Taken out of context. Quote the entire segment.

Pin to PAP being the bigger determining factor in ball reaction then pin up vs pin down?

Yes, but that wasn't the context either.

Mo isn't saying that pin down balls do not work, he's saying they do not work in the majority of cases. He gave two examples of when they do work -- Liz Johnson playing straighter works because she doesn't hook it and wants to control the pocket. The other example is high rev players. He also mentioned a scenario where it absolutely doesn't work, and that's with high track players on a typical league night. (thump thump thump)

Impending Doom's snarky comment was in regards to Simonsen winning with a pin down ball. Well, allow me to absolve his confusion... He was playing straight and he's a high rev player.

But belmo was into 5th arrow and he was using a pin down ball.

I'll rewatch the video for the context when I actually have time to rewatch the video. Maybe lunch.

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Re: Players Championship
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2019, 10:15:31 AM »
Pin up or pin down means very little in terms of ball reaction if anything for two handers. The "Val" angle is determined by how far away their balance hole, if any, is from the pin, not by where the pin is located since they don't use a balance hole.

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Re: Players Championship
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2019, 10:21:05 AM »
Belmo wrapped 10 in the 2nd, Flat 10 in the 3rd, 7-10 in the 4th and another in the 10th. All of these shots finished over the 9 pin. The rest were pured dead flush. 

He carried one off hit on the show, the one he threw out the window.

Simonsen carried a few off hits and messengers.
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Re: Players Championship
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2019, 10:22:16 AM »
I'm confused. Mo said that if anyone drills a ball pin down, they should bring their spare ball. What went wrong?

Well Doom that’s because it goes against his recommendation of 3 3/8x20 lol.

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Re: Players Championship
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2019, 12:40:20 PM »
Mo says bring you spare ball in reference to symmetric bowling balls, and also for pin down layouts if trying to hook the lane.


We have had this conversation before but I will mention it again. In reference to Mo and his post or videos we see it in in the "New Reality of Ball Motion" video as well

Mo compares a 3 3/4" pin  to PAP symmetric ball drilled pin up to a 5" pin to PAP pin down symmetric. He listed in the video as a 4" pin down but when we go to the actual comparison it starts at 5" to PAP and finishes at 4". Which is what he states as well. He claims how the pin up moves a total of 1.5" vs the pin down only moving 1". You aren't comparing apples to apples when comparing an obviously stronger pin to pap distance on the two different locations of pin up vs pin down

This then continues in the asymmetric comparison going a 3 3/4" pin up vs a 5" pin down and saying how the pin up flares more etc. Well no kidding, you are using a much stronger pin to pap yet again when comparing the two. This is trying to create a result vs letting the actual results speak for themselves.

Mo loves asymmetric cores which we all remember with Morich. He stated with todays game that asymmetric cores are all you need. He pushed them on everything for heavy oil to dry until business suffered and he finally started using symmetric cores from Brunswick because of how "bowling had changed again". It is sales vs reality.

Watch the videos of Radical and the throw bot. When they started the pin up vs pin down pin to pap where the same.....and the ball reactions were plotting on top of each other. Well Mo doesn't like pin down because it reduces core numbers minimally and in the end that has to be bad. In Mo's own words today we can measure the difference and with throw bot and on lane tracking the measurements were nearly identical even though in most of their videos the pin up is drilled with a shorter pin to PAP then the pin down. Usually half an inch or more.

Brunsnick has commented on the reason why they have done that before but in the end if you are doing a video talking about NEW BALL MOTION and comparing bowling ball reaction for pin up vs pin down it seems the first thing to do is keep the same pin to pap on both.....unless it doesn't provide the desired results. That is your perception vs reality video.



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Re: Players Championship
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2019, 12:48:52 PM »
Excellent points Ignite.
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Re: Players Championship
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2019, 04:38:28 PM »
https://youtu.be/rOOZdetR2Fs

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Re: Players Championship
« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2019, 05:07:04 PM »
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