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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: Rileybowler on February 17, 2019, 05:03:29 PM
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I am very surprised that there haven't been any post of the Players Championship today. I will not say who won because some of you may be taping it to watch later, but I thought that the match for the title was one of the best I have seen in a long time, I really enjoyed watching it.
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I taped the games even though I watched them live. All the games were so good that I will watch the tournament again.
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I watched it today .. thought all the matches were great!I think the second place finisher got robbed on his last shot .. the winner bowled very good!
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That was goooood
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I also can't believe that a phone went off when the winner was making a shot in the fifth frame, boy that really stinks
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I also can't believe that a phone went off when the winner was making a shot in the fifth frame, boy that really stinks
One of my biggest fears is going to an event like that, actually muting my phone like you’re supposed to, then having one of those incredibly loud Amber alerts come through in a very in-opportune moment.
I usually just turn it off so it doesn’t happen from me.
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I also can't believe that a phone went off when the winner was making a shot in the fifth frame, boy that really stinks
One of my biggest fears is going to an event like that, actually muting my phone like you’re supposed to, then having one of those incredibly loud Amber alerts come through in a very in-opportune moment.
I usually just turn it off so it doesn’t happen from me.
Technically, everyone's phone would go off if it was an Amber Alert.
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Certainly one of the more entertaining shows I can recall. Regardless of opinions on Belmonte, a pocket 7-10 is a brutal way to end the game, he had a great week.
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Why did Randy Peterson go on and on about not seeing pocket 7-10, when you come in the pocket late it is not un-common leave at all. Happens all the time.
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Why did Randy Peterson go on and on about not seeing pocket 7-10, when you come in the pocket late it is not un-common leave at all. Happens all the time.
Because he LOVES Belmo, he can't believe that it happens to him and so he refuses to accept it.
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This post has officially entered spoiler territory.
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Why did Randy Peterson go on and on about not seeing pocket 7-10, when you come in the pocket late it is not un-common leave at all. Happens all the time.
because Peterson would marry Belmonte in the middle of the approach he could. Belmonte can do no wrong in his eyes.
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Tough break but any of us who have been bowling long have seen pocket 7-10’s happen. Randy saying he never had seen anything like that must mean he either has a short memory or shuts his eyes.
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Maybe he meant he had never seen anything like it to decide a major championship.
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Great show!
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The winner bowled where they said he couldn't bowl for that particular shot but he proved them wrong, he bowled excellent in both matches and he deserved to win and it was just a great show.
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Agree with all of it. Great show. Randy definitely has a man crush on belmo. Plus they’re both on same staff. Belmo’s ball reaction was way to angular with that high rg hyroad nano, coming in behind the head pin leaving those two 7-10’s. I’m surprised he and the ball reps landed on that ball choice. Obviously wrong one.
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I'm confused. Mo said that if anyone drills a ball pin down, they should bring their spare ball. What went wrong?
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I'm confused. Mo said that if anyone drills a ball pin down, they should bring their spare ball. What went wrong?
Taken out of context. Quote the entire segment.
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I'm confused. Mo said that if anyone drills a ball pin down, they should bring their spare ball. What went wrong?
Taken out of context. Quote the entire segment.
Pin to PAP being the bigger determining factor in ball reaction then pin up vs pin down?
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I'm confused. Mo said that if anyone drills a ball pin down, they should bring their spare ball. What went wrong?
Taken out of context. Quote the entire segment.
Pin to PAP being the bigger determining factor in ball reaction then pin up vs pin down?
Yes, but that wasn't the context either.
Mo isn't saying that pin down balls do not work, he's saying they do not work in the majority of cases. He gave two examples of when they do work -- Liz Johnson playing straighter works because she doesn't hook it and wants to control the pocket. The other example is high rev players. He also mentioned a scenario where it absolutely doesn't work, and that's with high track players on a typical league night. (thump thump thump)
Impending Doom's snarky comment was in regards to Simonsen winning with a pin down ball. Well, allow me to absolve his confusion... He was playing straight and he's a high rev player.
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I'm confused. Mo said that if anyone drills a ball pin down, they should bring their spare ball. What went wrong?
Well Doom that’s because it goes against his recommendation of 3 3/8x20 lol.
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I'm confused. Mo said that if anyone drills a ball pin down, they should bring their spare ball. What went wrong?
Taken out of context. Quote the entire segment.
Pin to PAP being the bigger determining factor in ball reaction then pin up vs pin down?
Yes, but that wasn't the context either.
Mo isn't saying that pin down balls do not work, he's saying they do not work in the majority of cases. He gave two examples of when they do work -- Liz Johnson playing straighter works because she doesn't hook it and wants to control the pocket. The other example is high rev players. He also mentioned a scenario where it absolutely doesn't work, and that's with high track players on a typical league night. (thump thump thump)
Impending Doom's snarky comment was in regards to Simonsen winning with a pin down ball. Well, allow me to absolve his confusion... He was playing straight and he's a high rev player.
But belmo was into 5th arrow and he was using a pin down ball.
I'll rewatch the video for the context when I actually have time to rewatch the video. Maybe lunch.
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Pin up or pin down means very little in terms of ball reaction if anything for two handers. The "Val" angle is determined by how far away their balance hole, if any, is from the pin, not by where the pin is located since they don't use a balance hole.
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Belmo wrapped 10 in the 2nd, Flat 10 in the 3rd, 7-10 in the 4th and another in the 10th. All of these shots finished over the 9 pin. The rest were pured dead flush.
He carried one off hit on the show, the one he threw out the window.
Simonsen carried a few off hits and messengers.
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I'm confused. Mo said that if anyone drills a ball pin down, they should bring their spare ball. What went wrong?
Well Doom that’s because it goes against his recommendation of 3 3/8x20 lol.
With a double thumb back in the day. Drilling Mo specials with his recommended drillings is asking for a lesson in what a ball burning up means.
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Mo says bring you spare ball in reference to symmetric bowling balls, and also for pin down layouts if trying to hook the lane.
We have had this conversation before but I will mention it again. In reference to Mo and his post or videos we see it in in the "New Reality of Ball Motion" video as well
Mo compares a 3 3/4" pin to PAP symmetric ball drilled pin up to a 5" pin to PAP pin down symmetric. He listed in the video as a 4" pin down but when we go to the actual comparison it starts at 5" to PAP and finishes at 4". Which is what he states as well. He claims how the pin up moves a total of 1.5" vs the pin down only moving 1". You aren't comparing apples to apples when comparing an obviously stronger pin to pap distance on the two different locations of pin up vs pin down
This then continues in the asymmetric comparison going a 3 3/4" pin up vs a 5" pin down and saying how the pin up flares more etc. Well no kidding, you are using a much stronger pin to pap yet again when comparing the two. This is trying to create a result vs letting the actual results speak for themselves.
Mo loves asymmetric cores which we all remember with Morich. He stated with todays game that asymmetric cores are all you need. He pushed them on everything for heavy oil to dry until business suffered and he finally started using symmetric cores from Brunswick because of how "bowling had changed again". It is sales vs reality.
Watch the videos of Radical and the throw bot. When they started the pin up vs pin down pin to pap where the same.....and the ball reactions were plotting on top of each other. Well Mo doesn't like pin down because it reduces core numbers minimally and in the end that has to be bad. In Mo's own words today we can measure the difference and with throw bot and on lane tracking the measurements were nearly identical even though in most of their videos the pin up is drilled with a shorter pin to PAP then the pin down. Usually half an inch or more.
Brunsnick has commented on the reason why they have done that before but in the end if you are doing a video talking about NEW BALL MOTION and comparing bowling ball reaction for pin up vs pin down it seems the first thing to do is keep the same pin to pap on both.....unless it doesn't provide the desired results. That is your perception vs reality video.
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Excellent points Ignite.
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https://youtu.be/rOOZdetR2Fs
Starting at 52:00 going to 55:00
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•eyes narrow
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I love my pin down layouts in my area, because all you get around here is wet, dry house shots and just plain hooking conditions. Not much oil to be found in upstate New York. >:(
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Lets see what happens when we simulate Ryan Mouw throwing a symmetric core ball with a 3.75" pin up and 3.75" pin down. Then we try his delivery with a 5" pin up and 5" pin down ball. Then something Radical......we compare the two like balls and track flare. We see that like pin to pap balls drilled pin up or pin down moves the bow tie closer or further from the fingers and thumb. This is done with minimal changes in ball flare and ball reaction.
The only thing missing is a throwbot to then test these results on the lane...…… If only someone had that technology available.
Below is 3.75" pin down for 3 pics, then 3.75" pin up for 3 pics, then 5" pin down for 3 pics, and finally 5" pin up for 3 pics. The total flare and separation are very similar. The big difference is the over flaring of the 3.75" pin up catching the thumb, as we bring the pin down the bowtie comes down with it keeping the ball from flaring over the thumb. This is why for so many bowlers you need to be careful when looking at such strong pin to pap layouts.
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Great illustration ignite. Yes I have a hammer scandal with a high, strong pin that flares over thumb. You can hear it thump just before it hits the pins. :(