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Metal_rules

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old vs new
« on: January 27, 2015, 09:27:58 AM »
Just how much better, in your opinion is carry affected by a ball with over 150 games vs one that is new or with very few games on it? Would you waste time cleaning the cover (oil extraction) or just buy a new ball?
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Jorge300

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Re: old vs new
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2015, 09:36:28 AM »
You should be cleaning the cover after every set. If you haven't done so until now, you are going to have to do more then clean it to get back to it's original form.
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Re: old vs new
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2015, 09:47:03 AM »
You should be cleaning the cover after every set. If you haven't done so until now, you are going to have to do more then clean it to get back to it's original form.

I agree. If you have not cleaned the ball after 150 games, you need to do a professional oil extraction, along with a total resurfacing to get anywhere near to the original ball reaction. If these two procedures are done correctly, you should almost pass out in shock over the difference in hook and hitting power.

Of course, as per usual, the more your delivery leans towards speed dominance over rev dominance, the less difference you will see. If you are more rev dominant, you will see a greater difference.
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Re: old vs new
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2015, 10:58:08 AM »
There really is no answer to the question.  Yes, a ball reaction does change over many games as the surface absorbs oil.  Essentially more of the urethane characteristics of the ball come out and the resin impact lessons.  Whether this chanages scoring is problematic.  The reason is that on most house shots there is so much friction available that the lessor impact of resin can be either positive or negative.  Where the degradation of ball reaction really shows up is on longer flatter tournament patterns. 

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Re: old vs new
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2015, 11:17:45 AM »
Unmaintained for 150 games vs. new is at least a hit a game, and probably more.

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Re: old vs new
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2015, 05:48:19 PM »
I certainly can be, but it still depends on your style and what you are bowling on.  High rev guys on house shots are not going to see much drop in carry from a really old ball, if the ball matched up for them when new. 

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Re: old vs new
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2015, 06:03:39 PM »
I do clean all of my equipment after every set. I just believe carry is affected by games after time vs a new or newer ball. In other words, I believe that if I get a new Hyper Cell  it will carry even better than my current one.
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Re: old vs new
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2015, 06:38:56 PM »
I do clean all of my equipment after every set. I just believe carry is affected by games after time vs a new or newer ball. In other words, I believe that if I get a new Hyper Cell  it will carry even better than my current one.

BUT, in addition to oil absorption,
even Roto-Grip has said that the some new coverstocks change their surface with use over as few as 7 games!! After 150 games, your ball is nothing like a new one.
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Re: old vs new
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2015, 07:52:57 PM »
Effectiveness of equipment is how they react in the pins...if the cover is ineffective it will expend to much energy exiting the pin deck or too much deflection...I've seen bowling balls be quite effective with 1000 games and I've seen others not so at 100 games
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Re: old vs new
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2015, 06:17:43 AM »
I do clean all of my equipment after every set. I just believe carry is affected by games after time vs a new or newer ball. In other words, I believe that if I get a new Hyper Cell  it will carry even better than my current one.

BUT, in addition to oil absorption,
even Roto-Grip has said that the some new coverstocks change their surface with use over as few as 7 games!! After 150 games, your ball is nothing like a new one.
How many of you change your coverstocks at 7 games, I will bet not many. I change my cover when it is neccesary. Again I do clean the cover after my sets. I do not think it is worth it to put alot of $ into a ball that has a ton of games. I would rather get a new one.
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Re: old vs new
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2015, 09:00:04 AM »
I do clean all of my equipment after every set. I just believe carry is affected by games after time vs a new or newer ball. In other words, I believe that if I get a new Hyper Cell  it will carry even better than my current one.

BUT, in addition to oil absorption,
even Roto-Grip has said that the some new coverstocks change their surface with use over as few as 7 games!! After 150 games, your ball is nothing like a new one.
How many of you change your coverstocks at 7 games, I will bet not many. I change my cover when it is necessary. Again I do clean the cover after my sets. I do not think it is worth it to put a lot of $ into a ball that has a ton of games. I would rather get a new one.

Neither do I (fresh the surface at 7 games), but then I rarely use the super-premium balls that have this susceptibility.

I recently did an oil extraction and surface refresh of a teammate's Marvel Pearl. He had 100 games on it and had done nothing to it at all. (Now he cleans it regularly at my recommendation.)  I was worried about the dull surface with which he was using it and the new polished surfaced that was the original. But my worry was for nothing; within one game he had adapted to its new ball reaction/ball path and of course, its hitting anf carry power was back to normal, as was his average.

So no matter how many games are on a ball, I'd always recommend an oil extraction and a true resurfacing before getting rid of a ball, unless you're insanely wealthy or a ball rep. :).
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Re: old vs new
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2015, 09:43:25 AM »
Why? Why spend $150-$250 (with drilling, inserts, etc) on a new ball when for $30-$50 you can have an oil extraction done and get it resurfaced (if needed)? If you clean it after every set as you say, then doing this should return the ball to, or very near to, it's original form. Unless you like spending money for no reason. In which case send me $100 and I will give you the secret to bowling....PM me for my address and who to make the check out to.


I do clean all of my equipment after every set. I just believe carry is affected by games after time vs a new or newer ball. In other words, I believe that if I get a new Hyper Cell  it will carry even better than my current one.

BUT, in addition to oil absorption,
even Roto-Grip has said that the some new coverstocks change their surface with use over as few as 7 games!! After 150 games, your ball is nothing like a new one.
How many of you change your coverstocks at 7 games, I will bet not many. I change my cover when it is neccesary. Again I do clean the cover after my sets. I do not think it is worth it to put alot of $ into a ball that has a ton of games. I would rather get a new one.
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Re: old vs new
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2015, 11:09:56 AM »
Solid shelled balls with strong surface prep at the factory lose their box reaction in less than 30 games, and for some reason it is very difficult to restore and maintain that reaction.  Original Cell, and Theory are two examples of balls that really lost their look quickly for me.  Every solid Ebonite that I owned also lost reaction quickly. 
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Re: old vs new
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2015, 02:30:24 PM »
Of course I am not rich -- but all you have to do is win a couple of high game jackpots, or high serries, and the ball is paid for! ;)
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Re: old vs new
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2015, 02:49:58 PM »
Of course I am not rich -- but all you have to do is win a couple of high game jackpots, or high serries, and the ball is paid for! ;)

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