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Strapper_Squared

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How do you tell a customer....?
« on: February 03, 2005, 04:32:32 AM »
Recently I had an older gentleman come into the proshop with an old beat up Roto Star UC2 ball.  It appeared as if he had used it out in the parking lot a few times (that many chips and nicks).  as he explained, it was his from years past and he wanted to have it plugged, resurfaced, and redrilled for "maximum-hook," so he could use it in his tuesday morning senior's league.  At the time I suspected it was either urethane or polyester...and doubted it had much hook potential on current lane conditions (since then I have found some information to confirm this).  I explained to the gentleman that all of the work would cost nearly as much as purchasing a brand new low end resin ball (with drilling) AND with the construction/materials of his ball, it was highly unlikely that the would get the desired results...  

After which I was in for a 15 minute lecture on how that used to be the best ball available and such.. Normally I would have enjoyed the information and history lesson, but at the time I had a bunch of other people waiting to get work done.  

Should I have not been "honest" and just done the work?  What does everyone else do in this case?

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JPRLane1

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Re: How do you tell a customer....?
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2005, 12:37:53 PM »
Honesty has always and will always be the best policy.  Old people are old and thats not going to change and many of them are hard headed.  I would do my best as you have stated to explain the situation, hook ability of his ball today vs. todays lane condition vs. yester years and so on.  I would do this as friendly as you could and try to make your point.  In the end they are going to do what they want anyway so at least you did what you should have as a legit pro shop owner.  Somtimes there is such a technology gap people can't get it through their heads but we still have to try our best to explain it to them.
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Re: How do you tell a customer....?
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2005, 12:39:05 PM »
You have to be honest.  If you just "do the work", then he will either come back complaining how the ball doesn't hook, or tell everyone how you ripped him off.
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Re: How do you tell a customer....?
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2005, 12:43:14 PM »
Tell him the ball is all used up and he needs a new one and would be wasting his money getting his ball plugged and redrilled.

Thats the honest and right thing to do.. I have been in my friends pro shop before when someone brings a white dot in thats all beat up and they want it redrilled. he tells them the plug and redrill will be $30 or they can buy a brand new one drileld for $60, most people just buy the new one..
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Strapper_Squared

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Re: How do you tell a customer....?
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2005, 01:01:39 PM »
yeah exactly.  Plug and redrill would be $30 and a full resurface/polish is an additional $20...  So for an extra $20, he can get a tornado or a wild drilled and out the door.  Plus since he's a league member, he gets an additional 15% discount... so roughly it would only cost $60 plus tax.  I tried to explain the best I could in a relative quick manner (as we were very busy)...  we'll see how it turns out.

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Re: How do you tell a customer....?
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2005, 01:10:48 PM »
If he is dead set on continuing to use the UC-2, I may have one in the closet at the house that hasn't been drilled...

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Re: How do you tell a customer....?
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2005, 01:17:09 PM »
haha... thanks M.  I'll keep that in mind...  I guess it is urethane.. so if it was sanded to 320 grit and thrown at 10 mph.. it would probably work?!?!

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jkiser01

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Re: How do you tell a customer....?
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2005, 01:18:26 PM »
ask the guy if he has a boat and if he does, tell him he has a new anchor.. that old ball!!
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Re: How do you tell a customer....?
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2005, 01:20:15 PM »
Strapper good point and I am guessing since its an old guy his ball speed might actually be 10mph perhaps you can satisfy him afterall.
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Re: How do you tell a customer....?
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2005, 01:21:45 PM »
Whenever he gets angry he can take a slede hammer to it to vent. works for me with an AMF black angle that was plugged 5 times.
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Re: How do you tell a customer....?
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2005, 06:15:11 PM »
there is a certian liablity in drilling old balls. they can crack while plugging. you never know if has left the ball in the trunk for the last 10 years!

even when you do it all the way he wants, some other old guy will kick his but with a new ball and he will blame you.

lose-lose situtation. good luck!
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Re: How do you tell a customer....?
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2005, 07:42:30 PM »
Bones -- I explain the economics of the customer's request, then if they want to do it any way I ask if they're paying by cash or check!!  --  JohnP

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Re: How do you tell a customer....?
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2005, 08:53:05 AM »
Here is just a suggestion if this ever comes around again.  I had a pro shop here let me experiment with several drilled balls.  It was luck that we had almost the exact same span.  Ask the person what their span is, and if you know of a decent ball that has a span relatively close to what they have, let them throw that ball a few frames or games and let them decide by themselves.

Bowlers can also be stubborn when it comes to bowling equipment also.  Same proshop above had numerous people come in and they knew exactly what ball they wanted and how it should be drilled even before the proshop helped them out.  Trying to get the person to change their mind is very hard.  Myself was and probably still is included .
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