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Mo's Axis Tilt video, low tilt drillings
« on: June 21, 2018, 10:59:02 AM »
So I watched this with interest:
https://www.facebook.com/radical.bowling.technologies/videos/1692729787513853/

I'm 5 1/4" 1/4" up, so high track/low tilt.  I also am a little speed dominant for my lower rev rate (on the stroker/tweener border).

Here's my question... why does Mo recommend the majority of my equipment to be drilled with a 3.5-4" pin to pap distance?  I have a couple of these, but they are more my sport condition balls with unique reaction.  Just trying to understand why I'd want to put a majority of my equipment in that range.

Any insight is appreciated... thanks!

 

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Re: Mo's Axis Tilt video, low tilt drillings
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2018, 02:10:30 PM »
You have other factors to consider. As you have already mentioned axis rotation,  ball speed,  rev rate,  type of conditions you normally bowl on, the part of the lane you try to play,   and then the ball you are going to drill and for what purpose.

The video is a good starting point in factoring these things for a layout.
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Re: Mo's Axis Tilt video, low tilt drillings
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2018, 08:12:19 PM »
3.5 to 4" is a strong flare drilling for most any ball.  A lot of people say to drill balls strong and let the ball itself and surface differentiate motion. 
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Re: Mo's Axis Tilt video, low tilt drillings
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2018, 06:21:02 AM »
Beeeecause its Mo and he wants strong ball motions. Plus if you are speed dominate the stronger flare helps. I am in the same boat but a little more matched. Most of my pins are 4"-5.5".
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Re: Mo's Axis Tilt video, low tilt drillings
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2018, 06:28:16 AM »
I think what the original poster is intending to say is that Mo's advice is opposite of what is mainly recommended since Mo is at the same time recommending that high tilt bowlers should drill long pin to pap distances while low tilt should drill shorter pin to pap distances and that is for both syms and asyms. That is where the confusion lies for the original poster

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Re: Mo's Axis Tilt video, low tilt drillings
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2018, 09:15:36 AM »
I think he's preparing for life without weight holes. I've always been a lower tilt bowler and he recommended me pin to PAP of 3 3/8" with no holes. The shape was pretty good for mid level and lower balls but I moved the pin longer in the bigger balls.
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Re: Mo's Axis Tilt video, low tilt drillings
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2018, 10:51:02 AM »
Thanks for the opinions and viewpoints... Righty, Gunso and Donuts, each of you had a tidbit of info I can use.

It makes sense to me that Mo is trying to get my ball to flare more and 'react' more since my low tilt leads to less flare.  Most of my equipment is 4-5" pin-to-pap, so I was wondering if I'm missing out somewhere lol.  I bowl on a combination of house shots, in-between and sport shots.  I'm getting more of a handle on why balls react the way they do.  I take each ball purchase overly seriously and try to make the most diverse arsenal for the lowest cost. For example...

I had a Paradox, 5" to pap 75deg.  I liked it a lot but found myself using my Jackal Ghost drilled similarly moreso.  Currently, my main struggle has been 40-ish ft sport patterns (Nationals!).  My friend recommended trying 67 x 3 7/8 x 45 in a ball, so I redrilled the Paradox.  I've never seen a drilling change a ball so much.  At first it rolls out on a shorter pattern (makes sense), didn't really look that good on longer, heavier (might revisit this), but when I practiced on last years Nationals patterns, by far the best reaction over the balls I used at South Point in 2017.  And I ended up using that Paradox 5+ games in Syracuse and went from 1671 to 1879 all-events  this year on what I thought were very similar patterns 2017 vs. 2018.

The gist is... do I need more of these 3.5-4 inch pins that Mo says?  I think so, but conditionally.  I appreciate everyone's feedback!

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Re: Mo's Axis Tilt video, low tilt drillings
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2018, 11:37:28 AM »
Honestly, if you need a different shape than what you have in your bag, go with a stronger pin. For me, stronger pins keep me out of over under city and allow me to keep it straighter in the middle of the lane. Normally I use 5 inch pins on all of my equipment, but when the right ball in my eyes comes along that would work well with a different layout (My Sumo is going to be 4*25 with no hole, and I may find a ball that I think would work well with a 2 inch pin to pap), I'll do it.

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Re: Mo's Axis Tilt video, low tilt drillings
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2018, 04:16:24 PM »
Honestly, if you need a different shape than what you have in your bag, go with a stronger pin. For me, stronger pins keep me out of over under city and allow me to keep it straighter in the middle of the lane. Normally I use 5 inch pins on all of my equipment, but when the right ball in my eyes comes along that would work well with a different layout (My Sumo is going to be 4*25 with no hole, and I may find a ball that I think would work well with a 2 inch pin to pap), I'll do it.
Agreed. I think a lot of bowlers heading to Nationals would benefit from a shorter pin to PAP reactive.
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Re: Mo's Axis Tilt video, low tilt drillings
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2018, 04:35:26 PM »
Honestly, if you need a different shape than what you have in your bag, go with a stronger pin. For me, stronger pins keep me out of over under city and allow me to keep it straighter in the middle of the lane. Normally I use 5 inch pins on all of my equipment, but when the right ball in my eyes comes along that would work well with a different layout (My Sumo is going to be 4*25 with no hole, and I may find a ball that I think would work well with a 2 inch pin to pap), I'll do it.
Agreed. I think a lot of bowlers heading to Nationals would benefit from a shorter pin to PAP reactive.

Agreed. Now, we all know where my loyal lies, but I don't see a ball that (for me) would look good in our line with a short pin. My X 5*65 is very smooth, an X2 is smooth, a Truth Tour with a low flare drill would be too touchy for me, and the Badgers wouldn't read right because of the higher RG. An original Truth or Absolute (With some surface management) would be good. Can't wait to see what they do in the line after the Eon.