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Urethanes and Mild Reactives
« on: May 06, 2017, 09:11:47 AM »
Before forming an answer, I would like you to know that I understand the ball motion of urethane and that I bowl on sport shots 95% of the time right now (meaning my views may vary greatly from others).

Lately, I've seen and heard quite a bit of complaints from people about Urethane balls. A lot of people question why people don't just throw mild reactives with surface and ball with a closer pin to PAP instead. My question to everyone is: What do you think about Urethane balls resurging and "ruining" lane conditions? As a separate question, how effective are balls like the Scout Reactive, Tropical Breeze, and Blue Hammer on dry ths conditions?
« Last Edit: May 06, 2017, 03:32:35 PM by 2handedrook12 »
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Re: Urethanes and Mild Reactives
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2017, 10:45:29 AM »

What do you think about Urethane balls resurging and "ruining" lane conditions?
 
 
I think that attitude is more about whining and looking for excuses. There aren't enough bowlers throwing Urethane in most situations to be "ruining" land conditions.

 
 
As a separate question, how effective are balls like the Scout Reactive, Tropical Breeze, and Blue Hammer on dry conditions?

 
I'm not sure what kind of "dry" you're taking about. A dry "THS" vs. a 32' foot sport pattern with screaming backends will probably be attacked differently. As a 300 RPM bowler, I generally have not had a lot of success using weaker equipment for dry, unless it's a really dry kind of dry that I hardly ever see. The weaker shell/core combinations usually present carry issues.

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Re: Urethanes and Mild Reactives
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2017, 11:00:06 AM »
Sorry, I probably should have detailed it a bit better. Say it's a tournament in which half the players on the pair are throwing urethane in which there is enough shots to change the pattern.

Also, when I say dry, I don't mean a short pattern. This question was more of a broken down THS.
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Re: Urethanes and Mild Reactives
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2017, 01:40:05 PM »
There is nothing that I can do about how the rest of the field plays the lanes.  If they want to shoot at buckets and flat 10's by throwing urethane when the heads are dry, then that is their choice.  Its my task as a competitive bowler to find a way to make quality decisions and work around them - whether that be by circling them with pearls or by getting using just a little more shape in my Fanatic BTU.
I also find it difficult to shape low end balls to the pocket unless the lanes are very dry, but I am much happier doing that than bending on urethane.
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Re: Urethanes and Mild Reactives
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2017, 05:07:34 PM »
I totally agree with the above statement, that's the great thing about different equipment, how it's laid out, pin/pap distance, etc.  It's always about experimenting with different drillings, surfaces, ball types, and coverstocks; Almost anything can be overcome, if you prepare for it in all areas.

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Re: Urethanes and Mild Reactives
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2017, 07:28:24 PM »
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What do you think about Urethane balls resurging and "ruining" lane conditions?

Don't care. If people need to, or think they need to, use urethane to give themselves the best chance to score then so be it. I have to play the lanes as they are and make whatever adjustments. After all I'm not lugging around all that equipment for nothing.

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As a separate question, how effective are balls like the Scout Reactive, Tropical Breeze, and Blue Hammer on dry ths conditions?

That's a pretty subjective topic. I think the latest Tropical balls are a solid choice for true dry conditions if the bowler has a decent amount of hand. They are probably the weakest resin balls out there... aside from the Scouts. Personally I wouldn't use one outside of the driest of the dry lanes but it depends on how you like to attack those kinds of conditions too. I'm just not a fan of pancake cores. I've found the Blue Hammer to be wildly inconsistent from person to person so I have no idea what to think about that.

I think you hit the nail on the head for the weaker resin/not true urethanes out there. Everything else can be pretty strong off the spot if not being just a much stronger ball for the intended use. Cyclones, Hustles, Boosts, Freestyles, Rhinos, Nitrous, and Tundra all included. Probably the upcoming Alley Cats too.

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Re: Urethanes and Mild Reactives
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2017, 07:54:06 PM »
Just my opinion, but unless someone has a very high rev rate, urethane is rarely a good option on short oil. Short oil, when played properly is very high scoring. A reactive ball coming in from the 3, 4, 5 board area just blows the rack away if you get into pocked or light. A urethane ball will not.

I suspect this issue is people not being used to playing outside and don't feel confident. So urethane gives a greater sense of control. The better way to use urethane (or plastic) for sport shot is to take it to practice so you can get used to playing outside on the THS, then on a sport condition will be more ready to play that line.

So I don't see the point to giving up such a good line to pocket, for urethane. btwn I have 3 urethane balls, practice with them a lot and think are good for certain lane conditions, a fresh sport shot plus with my mid 200 rev ball isn't one of them.

Ruining conditions. I don't understand this at all. The old urethanes didn't flare, so they deposited oil down and lane. If a ball flares it will deposit oil is small tracks downlane, not dump oil there like a 1980's era urethane. So why should a modern urethane cause much more carry down than a reactive?

Anyway, If I'm throwing 1 ball, and someone else thinks it ruining the pattern, I guess that's his problem.

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Re: Urethanes and Mild Reactives
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2017, 08:06:07 PM »
There is nothing that I can do about how the rest of the field plays the lanes.  If they want to shoot at buckets and flat 10's by throwing urethane when the heads are dry, then that is their choice.  Its my task as a competitive bowler to find a way to make quality decisions and work around them - whether that be by circling them with pearls or by getting using just a little more shape in my Fanatic BTU.
I also find it difficult to shape low end balls to the pocket unless the lanes are very dry, but I am much happier doing that than bending on urethane.

I completely agree with Steven and Brandon Riley. I have a Blue Hammer and have
used it on dry heads or when the oil conditions otherwise have broken down. As a bowler with average revs, I got lousy carry: corner pins (more 7s than 10 pins), full buckets, and an occasional 5 pin for good measure. I have done better with my old Rhino.
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Re: Urethanes and Mild Reactives
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2017, 10:41:15 PM »
I am a low rev guy who has been carrying urethane since the first natural came out.  I Aldo used a blue hammer and currently hsvevs pitch blue.  For me urethane is useful on either a short pattern or a THS when I can play pretty direct.  Not for use on broken down house shots unless it allows me to stay outside 10 which is often not the case.  Even on house shots it can depend.  I recently practiced on fresh in 2 houses.  In the first house I got lined in about 8 board and carried well for 5 games with minimal adjustments.  In the second house after getting lined in the carrydown kept pushing me right and I never found any consistent carry.  I moved about 4 and 2 left from my original line and started carrying very well with any asymetrical pearl.  You just never know.

In addition I have have very good luck with urethane on many shirt doort patterns, even with my low rev rate.  Urethane is just another tool in my arsenal.  I need to read my reaction with it just as I do with resin in deciding where to use it. 

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Re: Urethanes and Mild Reactives
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2017, 08:29:23 AM »
Urethane isn't a go to.  It's a start with on certain conditions.  Anyone that goes to a urethane ball as conditions break down doesn't understand ball reaction.
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Re: Urethanes and Mild Reactives
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2017, 11:00:43 AM »
Nice summary.

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Re: Urethanes and Mild Reactives
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2017, 11:11:11 AM »
Agreed.

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Re: Urethanes and Mild Reactives
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2017, 02:12:24 PM »
I prefer my IQ tour with the boomer layout to stay in the track area when others are moving in. I don't always use it, its more of a bail-me-out option. If i can not find good carry, good ball reaction or when i just suck when moving in, that is when I will switch to the boomer IQ. I've never used urethane, and my coach doesn't recommend me getting one, so I just stay away. I was talking to my coach about drilling urethane once and he said he would get back to me on some recommendations. The next week he handed me the IQ boomer and my problem was solved!

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Re: Urethanes and Mild Reactives
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2017, 07:40:38 AM »
I have to agree... Urethane is not a go to ball. It can be used on Fresh patterns to control the pocket and control the back part of the lane. It should never be used for the burn. There will be times, that maybe yes it can be used to maybe move 20 right(right handed) and go up the lane knowing that your not gonna strike a lot. I would do this only if 170 to 200 will be good games, but with modern day technology I don't think you need to do this.
The weaker reactives are good when the lanes get toasted. They react more like higher end balls do on the fresh. When used too early they will be flippy down lane due to the cover being super clean in the fronts.
If people don't understand this a little time with a good coach or pro shop guy can explain and show them things that will help them understand.
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Re: Urethanes and Mild Reactives
« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2017, 08:01:29 AM »
As a high rev speed challenged lefty I would say urethane is a great option in 2 situations: on fresh with super dry back-ends, and if needed to jump way out when it has become impossible to play in (not everyone is capable of lofting the gutter). In the latter case I would say jumping out with a pin-on-axis or 1-inch pin makes more sense due to better hit and carry potential. I had a Tropical Storm (recently cracked) which was a good option for the end of the block if my old resin was to jumpy.