Author Topic: Finger Pitch Questions for Drilling Guru's (Read 3013 times)

Brickguy221 · « **on:** May 21, 2008, 03:34:31 AM »

I posted this in the Drilling & Layout Forum yesterday evening and it didn't get any response there, so I will re-post it here to see if I can get any responses

I was talking to one of my two drillers today and he was telling me that he has changed his forward/reverse finger pitches to 1/8 reverse MF and 3/8 reverse RF. (he is RH) He said that gives him a bit more lift off the MF and helps create a stronger roll on his ball.

I have heard somewhere in the past what having forward MF pitch and reverse RF pitch will do. Also vice versa of having reverse MF pitch and forward RF pitch, but I don't recall what these things do. Was this information put out by Mo Pinel at one time? Can someone help by refering me to a site explainign this or explain it here?

While at it here, let me say that I've seen posts here about lateral finger pitches in the past with most saying they are for comfort and varies from bowler to bowler. I won't argue that, but again I thought I heard one time what effect lateral pitches can have when a bowler releases the ball such as RF 1/2 right and MF 1/4 left....RF 1/4 right and MF 1/2 left....RF 3/8 and MF 3/8....etc. but again don't remember what I heard. Can anyone help here also?

I just keep thinking that Mo Pinel published something about this one time, but don't remember and can't find anything on his site unless I am looking in the wrong place.

Help from you drilling Guru's please!!!!!

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T-GOD · « **Reply #1 on:** May 21, 2008, 12:59:45 PM »

Brick, the middle finger is your turn finger and your ring is the lift finger. More forward in the middle finger causes you to turn/spin the ball more. More forward in the ring gives you more lift and forward roll.

More right lateral pitch in the fingers gives you more tilt and/or turn, while more left lateral gives you less tilt and/or more roll. =:^D

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 21, 2008, 02:54:51 PM »

Thanks T-GOD....That is what I was thinking I had heard one time but couldn't remember for sure. I appreciate your quick response.
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ccrider · « **Reply #3 on:** May 21, 2008, 05:43:10 PM »

How do you define forward, reverse, left and right.

If the I am looking vertically at the holes in the ball and the thumb hole is closest to me, would forward fo the thumb be towards the finger holes? and would forward for the fingers be toward the thumbhole? Left lateral pointed left of the center and right to the right of center?

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Brick, the middle finger is your turn finger and your ring is the lift finger. More forward in the middle finger causes you to turn/spin the ball more. More forward in the ring gives you more lift and forward roll.

More right lateral pitch in the fingers gives you more tilt and/or turn, while more left lateral gives you less tilt and/or more roll. =:^D

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Brickguy221 · « **Reply #4 on:** May 21, 2008, 06:32:39 PM »

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If the I am looking vertically at the holes in the ball and the thumb hole is closest to me, would forward fo the thumb be towards the finger holes? and would forward for the fingers be toward the thumbhole? Left lateral pointed left of the center and right to the right of center?

Yep...You are correct. You got them all right.
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"Whenever I feel the urge to exercise I lie down until the feeling passes away."

Brick

Mike Austin · « **Reply #5 on:** May 21, 2008, 10:39:58 PM »

Brick, sorry about the delay. I will reply to your PM here, it may help somebody.

Remember this is my opinion from drilling experiences.....

I personally don't buy into the finger pitches make you do anything to the ball theory. Finger pitches can have an affect on ball roll, but I feel you have to go to extremes to see a difference. Absolutely you will FEEL the difference. I feel pitches should be contoured to the bowler's hand as far as span and flexibility, but much more than that, it is more about feel and comfort. I think pitches that go away from MY theory too much can result in pain and/or injury.

I have personally experimented a lot with finger pitches. I have had a problem with my ring finger in the past, before I was drilling much and before having worked a couple years for Ron Hoppe (one of the founders of IBPSIA). I changed to 1" (ONE INCH) reverse in fingers trying to create more roll. A large number of tour players were using that type of pitch to smooth out ball reaction on these "crazy reactive" balls. I used that pitch for a year or two. I drilled a couple balls with as much as 1 1/2" reverse. Had to lengthen my span a little for those two. Felt really nice, talk about the ball sitting in your hand. What a pain in the rear to glue in finger grips though!! LOL!! Because of my natural "urethane" or "frisbee" release, my hand accelerates through the bottom of my swing, I have a lot of wrist movement/action. I didn't then, and I don't now feel the ball coming off my fingers. I'm also trying to get the ball down early and smooth as possible, while keeping my swing loose and forearm quiet.

Try this link to my present grip specs: http://www.drillsheet.com/printDrillReport.php?id=192

I could swear we stopped trying to get "lift" a long time ago. We started trying to be soft with our hand, loose with our arm swing, and not "hit up" on the ball. Maybe that's just me. I feel you get more from wrist action and hand position at release than any amount of "lift" or "hit".

I do realize that not all bowlers are like me, and some want to "feel" the ball on their fingers. If you want to change this feel, then definitely try pitches. I feel that your ball roll will not change, but the feel probably will.

Hope this helps.....

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Edited on 5/21/2008 10:45 PM

ccrider · « **Reply #6 on:** May 22, 2008, 11:43:50 AM »

GREAT!!! I get an A+.

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If the I am looking vertically at the holes in the ball and the thumb hole is closest to me, would forward fo the thumb be towards the finger holes? and would forward for the fingers be toward the thumbhole? Left lateral pointed left of the center and right to the right of center?

Yep...You are correct. You got them all right.
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"Whenever I feel the urge to exercise I lie down until the feeling passes away."

Brick

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Those that can do. Those that can't complain.

My saying for the day: "You can take the ho out of the hood, but you can't take the ho out of the ho."

Author Topic: Finger Pitch Questions for Drilling Guru's (Read 3013 times)

Brickguy221

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