Author Topic: question about pap markings on a ball during competition. (Read 2434 times)

chitown · « **on:** January 06, 2009, 12:30:19 AM »

Question: I know you can't have any tape on your PAP during competition. What about using a grease pencil and making a mark on your pap. Could a ball that has the pap marked with a grease pencil be used during play?

janderson · « **Reply #16 on:** January 06, 2009, 08:15:18 PM »

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The track flare makes the PAP "wobble". A ball can flare as soon as it hits the lane, while it's still skidding. In fact, a ball with a high RG diff drilled aggressively can flare in the air before it even hits the lane, I've seen it. You can get visual information from a marker on a ball, but I think you're trying to read too much into what you're seeing. -- JohnP

As John points out, wobble causes track flare which causes the white tape to migrate away from its initial position.

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Are you looking for more detail than that?

Please don't take it as me picking on you or criticizing you. I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from and you're better at explaining what you mean than anyone else!

The non-wobbling or minimally wobbling ball is a better demonstration of your points. It needs the motion of the ball (versus the core) to encounter friction, start to hook, and reduce the rotation (compared to ball path) and tilt. In that case, you've got a good tool.

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janderson · « **Reply #17 on:** January 06, 2009, 08:18:06 PM »

Good topic, Chitown.

Burak Natal · « **Reply #18 on:** January 07, 2009, 12:01:42 AM »

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The track flare makes the PAP "wobble". A ball can flare as soon as it hits the lane, while it's still skidding. In fact, a ball with a high RG diff drilled aggressively can flare in the air before it even hits the lane, I've seen it. You can get visual information from a marker on a ball, but I think you're trying to read too much into what you're seeing. -- JohnP

Any flaring ball will have 3 phases traveling down the lane, granted. However, "wobble pattern" does change according to the condition. More the friction, earlier the ball slows down and change phases. Ofcourse one has to interpret every ball's reaction individually since every ball has different core and drilling, thus different flaring characteristics.

Tape helps to observe the flaring phases of the ball, thus helps us to judge if there is a match between the condition and the ball (and/or our style/roll/speed for that matter). For example, you watch your ball in "hook phase", trying to grab the lane but skids past the breakpoint, you can say there is not enough friction. Or, you see your ball in "roll phase" too early not conserving energy and say there is too much friction.

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JohnP · « **Reply #19 on:** January 07, 2009, 03:15:48 AM »

Maybe instead of the wobble you're looking at the ball's revs. As the ball moves from skid through hook into roll the revs speed up. This can be seen fairly easily if there are any markings on the ball. -- JohnP

Burak Natal · « **Reply #20 on:** January 07, 2009, 05:29:50 AM »

Not "instead of" the wobble John, but "including" it. Starting and finishing points of phases give us information about transition front to back. Revving up or slowing down through the lane due to friction is part of it.

In other words, same (flaring) ball would start to wobble much earlier on bone dry than 50 feet heavy oil. This means, IMHO, wobble pattern changes according to the pattern..

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Natal

Edited on 1/7/2009 6:30 AM

chitown · « **Reply #21 on:** January 07, 2009, 07:40:17 AM »

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Not "instead of" the wobble John, but "including" it. Starting and finishing points of phases give us information about transition front to back. Revving up or slowing down through the lane due to friction is part of it.

In other words, same (flaring) ball would start to wobble much earlier on bone dry than 50 feet heavy oil. This means, IMHO, wobble pattern changes according to the pattern..

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Regards,
Natal

Edited on 1/7/2009 6:30 AM

Yes! That's exactly the point I was trying to make. The White piece of tape on my PAP just makes it a lot easier to see this happening.

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