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Pros in local tournaments?
« on: April 13, 2008, 11:37:24 PM »
So yesterday I bowled in the NJ State Tournament, and lo and behold Parker Bohn III was there for the 9:00AM singles/doubles squad, and the 12:30PM 5-man team squad.  So we start the day bowling doubles, and the first game he fired a 300.  He was part of about 10 brackets and obviously destroyed anybody.  Because of this people near my pairs (I was on 3-4) were saying that having a pro is a non-PBA event is just not fair.  One guy made the analogy that "it's like having Ryan Howard playing for the high school varsity team."  

I personally think having pros in local events is fine.  The talent gap between the pros and the locals (at least on a THS, which this tournament was) is nowhere near the talent gap between local and pro baseball players.  And it was a lot of fun watching him tear it up on a THS (he shot 780 for doubles, and a low 7 for singles).  What are your thoughts on all this?
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Re: Pros in local tournaments?
« Reply #76 on: April 15, 2008, 01:56:07 PM »
He just wanted to make a few quick bucks. Its pretty obvious, by his series' he prob put fourth minimal effort. He made at least 300 off brackets, not counting jackpots, so he has pocket money for the week. Or he can buy his kids something LOL!


Now when that house hack shoots 790 and 820 in team and singles he can tell everyone he beat pbIII.
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« Reply #77 on: April 15, 2008, 01:59:31 PM »
Actually, the NJ State tourney was 100% handicap of 230.  Basically it became a pins over average tournament: who can bowl their very best on their given time and day.  Guys like PB3 who are a part of NJ USBC, but didn't have 21 games in league from 06/07 and on got stuck with a 230, so zero pins handicap.
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Re: Pros in local tournaments?
« Reply #78 on: April 15, 2008, 02:01:51 PM »
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He just wanted to make a few quick bucks. Its pretty obvious, by his series' he prob put fourth minimal effort. He made at least 300 off brackets, not counting jackpots, so he has pocket money for the week. Or he can buy his kids something LOL!


Now when that house hack shoots 790 and 820 in team and singles he can tell everyone he beat pbIII.
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Actually there's only been one 800 scratch series on this THS.  It's no sport shot or PBA shot, but it's not easy by any means.  The house hacks from other houses (I bowl league at Howell, so I know) didn't know what to do with longer and heavier oil.  Sure there were high scores, but a lot of guys wound up saying "I average 220 at <blah blah>, the lanes are messed up"
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Re: Pros in local tournaments?
« Reply #79 on: April 15, 2008, 02:13:42 PM »
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He just wanted to make a few quick bucks. Its pretty obvious, by his series' he prob put fourth minimal effort. He made at least 300 off brackets, not counting jackpots, so he has pocket money for the week. Or he can buy his kids something LOL!


Now when that house hack shoots 790 and 820 in team and singles he can tell everyone he beat pbIII.
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Actually there's only been one 800 scratch series on this THS.  It's no sport shot or PBA shot, but it's not easy by any means.  The house hacks from other houses (I bowl league at Howell, so I know) didn't know what to do with longer and heavier oil.  Sure there were high scores, but a lot of guys wound up saying "I average 220 at <blah blah>, the lanes are messed up"



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Re: Pros in local tournaments?
« Reply #80 on: April 15, 2008, 02:14:08 PM »
If you are participating for money then you are not an amateur.

That is where bowling is messed up compared to about any other game. Only professionals play for money in other activities.



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« Reply #81 on: April 15, 2008, 02:16:19 PM »
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He just wanted to make a few quick bucks. Its pretty obvious, by his series' he prob put fourth minimal effort. He made at least 300 off brackets, not counting jackpots, so he has pocket money for the week. Or he can buy his kids something LOL!


Now when that house hack shoots 790 and 820 in team and singles he can tell everyone he beat pbIII.
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Actually there's only been one 800 scratch series on this THS.  It's no sport shot or PBA shot, but it's not easy by any means.  The house hacks from other houses (I bowl league at Howell, so I know) didn't know what to do with longer and heavier oil.  Sure there were high scores, but a lot of guys wound up saying "I average 220 at <blah blah>, the lanes are messed up"



Ask any bowler, any real bowler. It doesn't matter if you win by an pin or a 100; winning's winning. You almost had aa 800? You never had a 800, you never had your balls!




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« Reply #82 on: April 15, 2008, 02:21:51 PM »
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He just wanted to make a few quick bucks. Its pretty obvious, by his series' he prob put fourth minimal effort. He made at least 300 off brackets, not counting jackpots, so he has pocket money for the week. Or he can buy his kids something LOL!


Now when that house hack shoots 790 and 820 in team and singles he can tell everyone he beat pbIII.
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Actually there's only been one 800 scratch series on this THS.  It's no sport shot or PBA shot, but it's not easy by any means.  The house hacks from other houses (I bowl league at Howell, so I know) didn't know what to do with longer and heavier oil.  Sure there were high scores, but a lot of guys wound up saying "I average 220 at <blah blah>, the lanes are messed up"



Ask any bowler, any real bowler. It doesn't matter if you win by an pin or a 100; winning's winning. You almost had aa 800? You never had a 800, you never had your balls!




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Re: Pros in local tournaments?
« Reply #83 on: April 15, 2008, 02:50:18 PM »
I think this topic has been beat to death, so I will add my whippings to the horse.....

What about the guy averaging 230 in league, hell we have a guy in our scratch league averaging 236, he is not a professional, does not have his card, yet he won the US Senior Open, should we not allow him to bowl too? Where do you draw the line?

Parker Bohn paid his local and state associations dues, he is a vaild member. He deserves the same priveledges that every other member has, which include bowling his local and state tournaments. Discrimination is wrong on any level, including this one.

And for everyone whining.....he got in 10 brackets, cmon, my league runs 20-30 brackets each week, that 10 probably represnts 50% or less of the available brackets. Those whining, are just babies, afraid to stand up be tested. Bohn can shoot 180 as easy as he can shoot 280. This is all a bunch of BS from sore losers who think because they average 210 on THS that they actually a 210 average bowler instead of the 180 house hack they really are. Try bowling on real conditions instead of easy china and see what you average....oh wait then you'll cry and whine about how tough the lanes are..boo hoo. Bunch of babies.
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Re: Pros in local tournaments?
« Reply #84 on: April 15, 2008, 04:49:53 PM »
I'd rather beat Parker Bohn III for a title than Joe League Bowler.

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« Reply #85 on: April 15, 2008, 06:14:47 PM »
A couple of notes if I may -

- I know noodlejester; he was NOT complaining, just bringing up a topic of conversation.

- it is the "States", where everyone is allowed to bowl; there are no PBA or professional exceptions. (It's the local equivalnet of Nationals: team, sgls, dbls.)

- it is mainly a handicap event; the scratch portion and its awards are smaller than the handicap awards, in general.

- Parker could have gotten in 40 brackets, instead of just 10. But that would not be Parker.

- The event is being held at Howell Lanes; it is Parker's home house. He probably does it more as a favor to Neil, the owner.

- I watched him sub for Johnny Petraglia 2 weeks ago just after the (very painful) US OPen, which was held just up the road a piece. Parker shot around 660 that night, just trying to relax a bit. I was watching and said hello, mentioning how much less stressed he appeared bowling on the house shot  compared to the Ulcer-causing Open shot pattern. He laughed a lot over that.

- Many of the good scratch bowler in the area often have their own side bets as to high series and high all events in the many tournaments like this around the state. Their averages are so high, they rarely stand a chance against the handicap bowlers. Most times, anyway.

- even our own (ballreviews) Krumpy300 shot a 206x in all events, and it was his first time bowling at Howell.

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Re: Pros in local tournaments?
« Reply #86 on: April 15, 2008, 06:22:46 PM »
I hear what you guys are saying.

But get this, I have to bowl against Mike & Mark Scroggins & Mr 900 Jeff Campbell in our city tournaments.
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« Reply #87 on: April 15, 2008, 07:23:08 PM »
Seriously, do you people want some cheese to go with that 'whine'?

I've bowled in State Tourneys and large independently sponsored events where pros were entered (before I got my card).  Sure, they kicked our collective arses on most occasions, but I did manage to beat some of them in the brackets and make a little cash along the way.

It's all a state of mind.  Bowling against those guys should bring out the best in you, not make you want to suck your thumb and cry.

Since those days I've bowled with and against the best in the world.  All I remember thinking was, "Make him know you belong out here."  At least when I get beaten by the best, I can honestly say I was beaten by the BEST the bowling world has to offer.

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« Reply #88 on: April 15, 2008, 07:43:45 PM »
Tell you what .. next time one of these TOURING PROS enters an amateur tournament I'll put him up in all the brackets .. I'm a REAL GAMBLER
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« Reply #89 on: April 15, 2008, 07:45:10 PM »
Our State and Local tournaments allow any sanctioned bowlers to bowl if they have a specified number of games in the association.  Pros are allowed, but the number of them on a team is limited and no two pros can be doubles partners.

I happen to agree that the pros pay the same membership dues and therefore should be allowed the same rights as other bowlers.
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Re: Pros in local tournaments?
« Reply #90 on: April 15, 2008, 08:25:10 PM »
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But get this, I have to bowl against Mike & Mark Scroggins & Mr 900 Jeff Campbell in our city tournaments.
A pro can be beat. It's just a little harder for us common bowlers to beat them.



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