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The 11th Frame: Guest column: Veteran pro shop owner Rob Bailey on USBC’s latest proposed ball specifications

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Re: PSO Rob Bailey on USBC’s latest proposed ball specifications
« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2018, 03:21:26 PM »
Houses can do that already and eliminate the ability for bowlers to use high end equipment.  The center I bowl in has done that to try and save money.  There's even "short patterns" that eliminate the middle of the lane and force bowlers to ball down. Everyone always assumes you need more volume  to combat the new bowling equipment when it's easier to do with far less.

So every center has the ability to dry up the condition why would we need equipment regulations to then allow the centers to do it?

Yea, I'm seeing this in my primary house. We're second shift THS, and I'm using a lower end Ebonite Turbo/R almost all the time. With the lower volumes, I'm able to score at the same pace as I do with higher end equipment and more volume.
 
I'm really trying to understand what the USBC is trying to accomplish with all this. Unless they get oil conditions under control, it doesn't matter what they try to do with equipment.
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Re: PSO Rob Bailey on USBC’s latest proposed ball specifications
« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2018, 05:11:56 PM »
>I'm really trying to understand what the USBC is trying to accomplish with all this.

Rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic?

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Re: PSO Rob Bailey on USBC’s latest proposed ball specifications
« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2018, 07:23:58 PM »
The USBC is made up of bowlers. It's been well established for the past 35 years that bowlers aren't very forward thinking, that's why this game is in the state that it's in. Instead of hiring sound, marketing driven, forward thinkers, they've always hired on a Boys Club (and their significant others) system that isn't always the best for the future. If anyone who was a true visionary and had a clear plan of action for future growth of the sport, they wouldn't even interview them unless they had 40+ honor scores and have 20+ connections already inside the industry.

How would they be able to fix anything? Their fraternity/sorority work culture has cannibalized the industry from within, while those that may have the vision or talent move on to real corporate jobs that are paying 3-4x more than what the USBC could offer.

They don't want change, they want to work with their buddies and pass of the mess to the next person that takes their position once they find a gig that pays better.

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Re: PSO Rob Bailey on USBC’s latest proposed ball specifications
« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2018, 07:38:33 PM »
So we established no matter the condition Joe Bowler will throw the biggest hooking ball.

If the USBC restricts coverstocks on the same scale as cores (diff .060 to .045) then nothing will have changed.  Still not using less oil or using less oil and still having bowlers ruin the lane beds. The solution is no solution,  lip service.  Just going to watch and see.
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Re: PSO Rob Bailey on USBC’s latest proposed ball specifications
« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2018, 08:32:15 PM »
Can't believe I am defending the USBC here (or anywhere) but that oil absorption test is super long over due.  Ball diff is a red herring but the USBC absolutely needs to at the very least prevent cover stocks from getting any more absorbent.  The rest of this is all about the ego of a single man being who is being paid way more than his education or abilities should allow on a power trip to look like he is doing something.
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Re: PSO Rob Bailey on USBC’s latest proposed ball specifications
« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2018, 10:01:26 PM »
What about Power House Adrenaline wipes that make any ball absorb oil at a much higher rate?  It's scary how that stuff works.  Oil absorption is also what leads to equipment losing it's reaction and requiring more maintenance.
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Re: PSO Rob Bailey on USBC’s latest proposed ball specifications
« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2018, 01:46:53 PM »
Ah, good ole Adrenaline Wipes! Another Ron Hickland creation. People who use them say they work but people will still demonize the man for creating an accessory brand in a free Enterprise market.

It was a precursor to the Hook Juice. ...OMG, I said the HJ word!!!

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Re: PSO Rob Bailey on USBC’s latest proposed ball specifications
« Reply #38 on: March 07, 2018, 02:08:10 PM »
Ron may or many not be grifter but unlike Chad at least he isn't going to force me to have plug any balls so Chad is still 100x worse.
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Re: PSO Rob Bailey on USBC’s latest proposed ball specifications
« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2018, 09:33:21 AM »
Ron may or many not be grifter but unlike Chad at least he isn't going to force me to have plug any balls so Chad is still 100x worse.

 Hell Hack, you shoulda drilled em right to begin with.   :o  ???   ;D  ;)
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Re: PSO Rob Bailey on USBC’s latest proposed ball specifications
« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2018, 02:54:55 PM »
Ron may or many not be grifter but unlike Chad at least he isn't going to force me to have plug any balls so Chad is still 100x worse.

 Hell Hack, you shoulda drilled em right to begin with.   :o  ???   ;D  ;)

I blame Mo Pinel.  Oh well that's what I get for someday thinking of giving the USBC any money.  Can't wait to help pay for Chad's salary.
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Re: PSO Rob Bailey on USBC’s latest proposed ball specifications
« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2018, 03:48:08 PM »
Can't believe I am defending the USBC here (or anywhere) but that oil absorption test is super long over due.  Ball diff is a red herring but the USBC absolutely needs to at the very least prevent cover stocks from getting any more absorbent.  The rest of this is all about the ego of a single man being who is being paid way more than his education or abilities should allow on a power trip to look like he is doing something.

Agreed, but you give them a limit, and they will get around it. Bring back particle, do some sort of chemistry magic, make the Soaker cover popular again.
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Re: PSO Rob Bailey on USBC’s latest proposed ball specifications
« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2018, 03:55:21 PM »
Can't believe I am defending the USBC here (or anywhere) but that oil absorption test is super long over due.  Ball diff is a red herring but the USBC absolutely needs to at the very least prevent cover stocks from getting any more absorbent.  The rest of this is all about the ego of a single man being who is being paid way more than his education or abilities should allow on a power trip to look like he is doing something.

Agreed, but you give them a limit, and they will get around it. Bring back particle, do some sort of chemistry magic, make the Soaker cover popular again.

The funny part is USBC and their band of apes in a conference room really think they are smarter than the ball companies. USBC is playing catch up ball. The ball companies will come up with something USBC has not even considered. USBC has proven time and time again they are incredibly short-sighted and they will "fix" this "issue" while completely missing something else.
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Re: PSO Rob Bailey on USBC’s latest proposed ball specifications
« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2018, 08:37:50 PM »
They have always been behind the technological curve going clear back to when lacquer finish was replaced with epoxy urethane.  Biggest blunder was the short oil mandate of the 80's.  Can't really blame them on resin additives.  Nobody really understood the the chemistry or implications ofbthst breakthrough

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Re: PSO Rob Bailey on USBC’s latest proposed ball specifications
« Reply #44 on: March 09, 2018, 08:24:21 AM »

I'm really trying to understand what the USBC is trying to accomplish with all this. Unless they get oil conditions under control, it doesn't matter what they try to do with equipment.

Exactly. Two 900's were shot; one with an IQ Tour gold (.029 diff), and a Hustle Ink (.030 diff).

Again, the USBC keeps scratching their "knee", when it is the "elbow" that itches.
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Re: PSO Rob Bailey on USBC’s latest proposed ball specifications
« Reply #45 on: March 09, 2018, 08:25:44 AM »
I agree with Charlest 100%.



Because they astronomically less accurate.


Watch ANY show today of these high rev rate guys, and they "miss" their break-point by more boards than what the yester-year bowler ever covered from laydown to pins.

Today's bowlers are FAR less accurate than yester-year, even at the top level. You give up accuracy in an attempt to create more revolutions and higher ball speed.

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