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ITZPS

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Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« on: January 10, 2015, 05:37:24 PM »
To start off, I already had a pretty good fit, I feel like fit is something I understand well.  (r)eVolve from Rico and Gary Yamasaki got really deep into fit, and put some things in ways that tweaked my thinking a bit and mostly gave me a lot more information than I previously had.  I refit myself and as comfortable as it was before, now it feels unnaturally good.  Here is my before and after:

Previous:
4 5/16 x 4 3/8, MF - 3/8 rev, 1/8 left, RF - 3/8 rev, 5/8 right, thumb 0 any direction

New: 4 1/4 x 4 5/16, MF 5/8 rev, 3/8 left, RF - 5/8 rev, 3/8 right, thumb 1/8 fwd, 1/16 left. 

Now my hand sits on the ball even better, it's in a lot better position.  Extremely comfortable.  Like Rico has said to me, feel is everything. 
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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #46 on: February 02, 2015, 08:52:33 PM »
I can't write a review until I read it.

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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #47 on: February 02, 2015, 08:53:28 PM »
Nor can I send it to an address I don't know...PM me it
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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #48 on: February 02, 2015, 09:34:05 PM »
Nope, just my fair share.  But I'm not arrogant enough to tell someone that has a span a sixteenth different from what I would measure that it is wrong. 

Got busy but in reference to this comment I wanted to say a big part of what is written talks about why you wouldn't change something if it seems wrong by text book means if it feels good to the bowler, the bowler is right. You will read more for your self but there is a lot of common sense involved that I think makes a lot of sense.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2015, 12:12:54 AM »
I'll be ordering a copy soon. Ric produces a very readable product that is easy to understand,

But anytime you use a quote from Stripes, you win points in my book.

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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #50 on: February 03, 2015, 08:32:39 AM »
When you work so closely with something for so long, subtle changes are easier to detect, and some weren't so subtle, not to mention there were several of them.  I added 1/4 reverse on top of what I already had to my fingers, went from 1/8 left and 5/8 right in each respective finger to 3/8ths left and right.  Span shortened 1/16, thumb went 1/8 forward and 1/16 left.  The aggregate change was actually pretty substantial. 

Drilled both balls and went out and threw several games last night.  The biggest change in the fit is the fingers, now my hand is completely relaxed while being able to keep my finger pads in full contact with the front sides of the holes.  I'm catching the ball a lot better at the bottom now.  Before I'd lose one every so often which would cause me to over-grip the next one.  Now that my thumb socket stays in position easier, I don't have the instinct to grab at the bottom to keep it from coming off too quick because I'm trying to dig in with the fingers to make sure I hit it at the bottom. 

I have absolutely no reason to say something is good when it actually isn't, or say it matters when it doesn't.  I've been paying really close attention to my fit for several months now, making notes about how it's coming off, how consistent I am, trying to track release patterns, etc.  It wasn't like I just decided to make some changes, read the book, and ended up at these numbers.  I don't think I'd have ever recommended putting 5/8 reverse in each finger for anyone let alone myself before, but that's where my hand told me they needed to be. 

I also threw the balls with the new fit against a ball with the old fit.  Like I said though, the old fit was still pretty darn good, I just would mis-hit it at the bottom sometimes and have a tendency to grab at the bottom occasionally.  With the angle change seating my hand more properly, my consistency was up quite a bit.  I'm the world's most boring 230 average bowler, most of the time it's a couple strikes, spare, couple more strikes, spare, couple more strikes, spare, sheet.  Yesterday it was more of the same with the old fit, but when throwing balls with the new fit, the consistency was better, I threw 8, 9, 10 in a row several times, not just getting them to fall but being the result of consistently better shots.  I experienced no change in speed, rev rate, tilt, or angle of rotation, but I didn't expect to.  I just expected more consistency, comfort, and stamina, and that's what I got.  I hope to get some videos Saturday or Sunday. 
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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #51 on: February 03, 2015, 08:38:12 AM »
Wow,

Take a day off or a week from a post and a lot happens out here!

As to my question to ITZPS I was curious if the book directed him to changes from some of its statements or illustrations, or pictures or if his redirected him.  From his answer I felt he was discussing feel.

My quite a pissing match going on and surprise, ...no not really.  I'll leave it at that.

I notice 1/16 difference in pitch but...well I am finicky like that..(I was finicky like that in golf also to a great advantage).

I am interested also to hear about results after a few times in actual competition.

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Luckylefty
PS ITZPS, I often find my static span that feels perfect doesn't seem to work quite as good when actually bowling.  So keep us apprised of your progress.  Interested also to hear how the ideas in the book influenced your grip changes.
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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #52 on: February 03, 2015, 08:44:14 AM »
I'm glad that it has worked for you so far.  All I said was praising something before actually using it was a little premature.

Was the test last night for score or practice.  And if you kept score while you practiced…..well that's a different topic.

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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #53 on: February 03, 2015, 09:12:01 AM »
Automatic score machines keep score no matter what. Always nice to see 1/ for several frames of any game.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #54 on: February 03, 2015, 09:17:17 AM »
Our publications ALL try to create viewing such things as fitting and ball motion/reaction in an open minded sense...too much is based solely on a persons view point which is ok but yo also realize there is more to both - perceptions vs reality is based on this
We've tried to offer easier ways to comprehend both entities with science along with pictures videos & testimonials...we're not trying to create conflict but debunking much of what is perception on an individual assumption...it works for one person it has to work for all...or 'it's not that big a deal' when missing a span by 1/16-1/8"...for bowlers to get better the professionals helping need to be smarter
Some believe what we're saying many don't and that's ok..I know this turned into an argument and unfortunately I'm quite passionate with what I do and who I teach...I've put a lot of time and energy into this...
I'm open-minded and try to see ALL angles or perspectives as well as opinions but I also know what's BS...and hype
Wity anything you do try to be open-minded...that's how we learn

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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #55 on: February 03, 2015, 09:33:14 AM »
I don't know if that lecture was directed at me or not.  I asked a simple question, for score or practice?  Big difference.

Kid, I'm very aware how automatic scorers work. 

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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #56 on: February 03, 2015, 09:39:32 AM »
My post was an attempt at offering an overview of what HYBC tries to do nothing more nothing less and sorry if you perceived it as a lecture...
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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #57 on: February 03, 2015, 09:54:53 AM »
I thought we had been through that last night.  I was trying to let that go.

I ask the practice question because I feel there is a big difference.  I'm pretty sure Tiger isn't laying the sod over chips in his backyard.

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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #58 on: February 03, 2015, 09:55:00 AM »
I thought he said for practice. My reply wasn't serious it just didn't have lol on the end of it.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #59 on: February 03, 2015, 09:56:46 AM »
I have a peace offering.  I said I would pay for the book if I felt it was well written.  Instead I will write a check for the retail price of the book to a charity of your choice, regardless if I like it or not.

ITZPS

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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #60 on: February 03, 2015, 12:21:02 PM »
Understood.  Last night was practice, I never have scoring on when I'm practicing if I can help it, but I was paying attention to how many consecutive quality shots I was throwing, because that's something that's been an issue in both league scoring and practice.  I have league tonight so I'll see how it goes, but usually league and practice go pretty similar for me.  I'm pretty anal so I'm usually more of an ass practicing than I am during league haha. 

I was getting out of the ball much more cleanly, and whether the scores follow or not, I don't know, they've already been pretty good lately, but I expect to be more consistent with my release.  I have some footwork issues too that I need to get worked out, so that's next, but the FEEL of my fit is much better now.  When you get it perfect, you just know!

I'm glad that it has worked for you so far.  All I said was praising something before actually using it was a little premature.

Was the test last night for score or practice.  And if you kept score while you practiced…..well that's a different topic.
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