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ITZPS

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Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« on: January 10, 2015, 05:37:24 PM »
To start off, I already had a pretty good fit, I feel like fit is something I understand well.  (r)eVolve from Rico and Gary Yamasaki got really deep into fit, and put some things in ways that tweaked my thinking a bit and mostly gave me a lot more information than I previously had.  I refit myself and as comfortable as it was before, now it feels unnaturally good.  Here is my before and after:

Previous:
4 5/16 x 4 3/8, MF - 3/8 rev, 1/8 left, RF - 3/8 rev, 5/8 right, thumb 0 any direction

New: 4 1/4 x 4 5/16, MF 5/8 rev, 3/8 left, RF - 5/8 rev, 3/8 right, thumb 1/8 fwd, 1/16 left. 

Now my hand sits on the ball even better, it's in a lot better position.  Extremely comfortable.  Like Rico has said to me, feel is everything. 
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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2015, 12:44:48 PM »
Actually we have a practice mode on our scorers where you can set up specific pins to drop repeatedly, shadow bowl, or first ball only. 

Lucky, it's more the concepts or information.  Something Ric and Gary do really well is help you understand concepts, and if you can understand the concept of something, that's when you can really learn about it and utilize it. 
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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2015, 12:56:50 PM »
Again, 

ITZPS, if you would be so kind....  What are the concepts in the book that led you to deciding these changes would be helpful?

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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #63 on: February 03, 2015, 02:25:53 PM »
It wasn't the concepts that led me to decide to make the changes, it was my hand positioning on the ball and the occasional release issues that led me to make the changes.  The concepts and information in the book helped me understand better where to make them and really just helped reinforce that feel is what is most important.  I wasn't previously comfortable with the idea of going 5/8ths reverse in the fingers, especially given that my hand and fingers are still very flexible, but that's what felt the best.  I had already recognized that I had some issues that needed to be addressed, but before I read the book, I felt that the changes I felt I needed to make were too extreme and that I was most likely holding the ball the wrong way.  The information in the book cleared it all up, and made some great points, so I ended up addressing all the right things and the first time I put my hand in the finished fit, I knew that was it. 

As for specifics, if you give Rico your address and send him a payment, I'm sure he would be happy to send all that information your way  ;)

Again, 

ITZPS, if you would be so kind....  What are the concepts in the book that led you to deciding these changes would be helpful?

Regards,

Luckylefty
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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2015, 04:59:46 PM »
ITZPS,
     Don't let this fool get you down. Not all are gifted or have the special friends that he does. Pat yourself on the back for bettering yourself and your pro shop. Not every ball driller understands every concept and there are times where different terminology helps. I have been drilling for 18 years and have been certified by a pro shop school, but to some that would be just a piece of paper. I consider myself quite good at what I do and the service I provide. I purchased (r)eVolve when it was first released and it is quite well written. Is it the bible of ball fitting? No, but it is a good guide and offers information that allows one to think outside the box as to cookie cutter fitting. I have applied some of the information in my fitting style and definately have seen improvement in my customers game.
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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2015, 08:18:13 PM »
For starters...I'm not exactly sure where you itsallaboutyou got lost but my comments were not directed to you...they were an over view...my favorite charity is me and my well being, why would you think your offer is, honorable? I give enough to charity...

Secondly, there are certain individuals I found on here that will second guess and question anything & everything that contradicts what they think or believe...it's being shawn currently no matter the answers giving as well as support...lucky lefty would NEVER pay for anything why would he?
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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #66 on: February 03, 2015, 10:18:28 PM »
HHaHaHaHaHaHaHa.....

Too funny.  I pay for things all the time.  Especially if I perceive value.  Really one of the hysterical statements of the new millennium.  Lessons, balls....my pro shop appreciates me I assure you, as do many other bowling businesses that have received my money.

I was asking for sort of a review.  Searching for how the book influenced his decision making.  Not unusual.  I read reviews at Amazon before I buy any book.  It is a good practice.

As to how? when? why? I buy.  I'll make that decision of my own volition.  Thank you.

Any more feedback on the book I am open minded and willing to learn listen as to it's value. 

I currently own the well established textbook on ball drilling Bill Taylor's definitive book and paid a pretty penny to meet the likeable and clearly quite bright guru and take a seminar from him in the past.  (before his passing obviously).

Interested to see if others find this new book to possibly be the "New Bible". 

Regards,

Luckylefty
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James M. McCurley, New Orleans, Louisiana

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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #67 on: February 03, 2015, 10:24:49 PM »
Taylor's book was written over 40 yrs ago and my father attended one of his first seminars pertaining to it..our book deals with today not 40 years ago...and it has immeasurable more information & value than his did/does...the book addresses today's issue with fitting (static vs dynamic) layoyts & ball motion/reaction in an extremely literal sense...and btw gurus are generally self titled
We are used to naysayers..run across them frequently they are usually the ones that believe nothing has changed in 40 yrs...
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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #68 on: February 04, 2015, 06:29:52 AM »
Dude, keep your book.  You would get a check from me out of my cold, dead hands.  When you post on a website to promote your product you may want to try not to be such a pompous ass.

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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #69 on: February 04, 2015, 07:12:50 AM »
How is he being a pompous ass?  All I see in this thread is baseless criticism and shots fired by others.  Doesn't he have a right to defend himself and the product?  Not sure how people who haven't read the book can criticize it, and I'm not sure why he's not allowed to respond in kind. 

I'm also not sure when the truth isn't the truth.  If Michael Jordan said he was the greatest basketball player of all time, would that be pompous or arrogant?  No, it would just be the truth, if he said otherwise to be modest, he'd just be lying.  This book represents decades worth of knowledge and experience and is absolutely packed full of information.  After reading it, I personally think he's selling it too cheap, and if someone came into my shop, asked for a lesson and told me if they thought I did a good job that they would write a check to the charity of my choice, I think I'd be too stunned to speak. 

Dude, keep your book.  You would get a check from me out of my cold, dead hands.  When you post on a website to promote your product you may want to try not to be such a pompous ass.
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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #70 on: February 04, 2015, 07:30:12 AM »
ANYWAY, I bowled league last night, and it didn't go as smoothly as I'd hoped, but as I identified the problems, they made sense.  With the old fit, I'd been keeping my thumbhole pretty tight, but with the new angles in my thumb, it was just causing me to hang up at the release, I had quite a bit of drag just holding the ball and inserting and removing my thumb.  I also discovered I'd been gripping harder than I thought, and again, the new angles weren't allowing me to get away with it.  Once I made the adjustments, I had a few oops shots here and there, but the ones I got through correctly were much better than I've been throwing recently. 

Also confirmed that some of my release issues are reaction related.  I've never gotten along with the shot at this house, never felt comfortable.  From 1-7 it's dry, on 8-9-10 it steps up pretty sharply, and then is completely flat from 11-11, so it makes it feel like the heaviest volume on the lane is right in the middle of the track.  Most shots thrown cleanly into the track are very lazy and soft on the backend, so you have to make sure you catch it at the bottom, but it's a lighter volume so if you move right you still get over/under in addition to pretty early reads.  I still shot 700, but a better test will be tomorrow at the other house, the reaction is better and more consistent even though the shot is tighter.
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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #71 on: February 04, 2015, 07:32:16 AM »
ITZPS Pots calling kettles black never see it. Because they act a certain way is obviously no reason for someone to reply in the same way. That is unheard of....


Nice bowling.
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…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.

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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #72 on: February 04, 2015, 07:35:40 AM »
I'm not a pompous ass I'm a person that takes pride in his works and unfortunately has to defend it and honestly will...and as you can tell so will others
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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #73 on: February 04, 2015, 07:41:50 AM »
Mr Hamlin offered to send me the book if I'd write a review.  I offered to write a check as a peace offering because the discussion turned a little heated the other evening.  Then I got lectured and had my honor questioned.

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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #74 on: February 04, 2015, 07:51:55 AM »
I didn't see a lecture, at least not directed at you.  Gotta admit the peace offering thing was a little heavy handed though . .

Mr Hamlin offered to send me the book if I'd write a review.  I offered to write a check as a peace offering because the discussion turned a little heated the other evening.  Then I got lectured and had my honor questioned.
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Re: Refit - Thanks (r)eVolve
« Reply #75 on: February 04, 2015, 07:55:48 AM »
Tone and intent have to be based off of what is read that doesn't always reflect what is the persons actual intent. That is the fun world of internet communication.
…… you can't  add a physics term to a bowling term and expect it to mean something.