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trash heap

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RG and Differential Numbers by Manufacturers
« on: April 11, 2014, 12:10:28 PM »
Are these numbers exact science? or does each manfacturer have their own way of producing them.

Just curious.
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Re: RG and Differential Numbers by Manufacturers
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2014, 12:15:46 PM »
It's exact science.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radius_of_gyration 

Then differential is the difference between the rg of the core's vertical height and the rg of it's horizontal width.  Basic stuff of course . . lol. 
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Re: RG and Differential Numbers by Manufacturers
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2014, 02:01:04 PM »
Alright.

I find these numbers interesting. I found this Motiv Ball and its numbers seem almost off the chart to what I normally see with other balls.

Example: Motiv Raptor Talon

16lbs.   Rg - 2.46  Diff. - 0.060
15lbs.   Rg - 2.46  Diff. - 0.060
14lbs.   Rg - 2.48  Diff. - 0.060






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Re: RG and Differential Numbers by Manufacturers
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2014, 02:25:12 PM »
Compare it to the taboo and its not.
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Re: RG and Differential Numbers by Manufacturers
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2014, 02:40:29 PM »
A lot of older balls used to have really low rgs and high differentials, the trend has gone slightly away from that because while they used to try to control the midlane, balls started getting TOO aggressive in the midlane with increases in coverstock technology, which is most likely why rgs have started creeping up and differentials have crept down.  The Raptor Talon is supposed to hook off the planet though, and they went for it with those numbers.  What I find interesting is the similarity of the numbers between the 3 different weights . .
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Re: RG and Differential Numbers by Manufacturers
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2014, 02:52:28 PM »
Alright.

I find these numbers interesting. I found this Motiv Ball and its numbers seem almost off the chart to what I normally see with other balls.

Example: Motiv Raptor Talon

16lbs.   Rg - 2.46  Diff. - 0.060
15lbs.   Rg - 2.46  Diff. - 0.060
14lbs.   Rg - 2.48  Diff. - 0.060



The Cruel had the same numbers.
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Re: RG and Differential Numbers by Manufacturers
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2014, 09:59:50 PM »
I wouldn't obsess about pre-drilled rg's and diffs... it's not like anyone throws undrilled balls

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Re: RG and Differential Numbers by Manufacturers
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2014, 10:00:31 AM »
Hey now, that's too much common sense and logic for this forum . .

I wouldn't obsess about pre-drilled rg's and diffs... it's not like anyone throws undrilled balls
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Re: RG and Differential Numbers by Manufacturers
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2014, 11:06:24 AM »
Hey now, that's too much common sense and logic for this forum . .

I wouldn't obsess about pre-drilled rg's and diffs... it's not like anyone throws undrilled balls

Enlighten us. Please.  If the numbers mean nothing, what is you decision process in buying a ball? What is the criteria you use to determine a ball for a specific condition for a specific type of bowler?

Is it just the amount of oil (Light, Medium, Heavy) that the manufacturer reccomends?






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Re: RG and Differential Numbers by Manufacturers
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2014, 11:43:34 AM »
Yes. Manufacturers intent is a huge factor. It is why they use a specific core with a specific coverstock. You cannot seperate them.

The Taboo plastic ball has a very aggressive core. It's still a plastic ball. The manufacture uses the core needed with the coverstock to get the correct desired reaction and shape they wish to market.
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2014, 11:48:01 AM »
Read what the ball is designed for.  It a combination of cover and core.  The cover playing the bigger role.  Watch videos to see how it roles.

It's all marketing.  They tell you the RG and Diff, so you will talk about them. 

Just because a ball has the largest diff allowed by USBC does not mean it will hook more than another ball.

More bowling balls are sold on perception than reality.

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Re: RG and Differential Numbers by Manufacturers
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2014, 01:21:38 PM »
I am not looking for a ball to cover a ton of boards. In fact this ball is not for me. I am looking for a ball that fits my daughter's profile. She has average speed (16 mph) and below average revs. I have seen a difference already with a used 14 lb. C3 Wrath that she has now, but that ball is dying, needs some oil extraction, complete resurface, or something (I posted this in another thread).

The ball layout was drilled for it to go early. When the Wrath had a good surface on it, it would turn for her. So I am thinking maybe go with a ball that has that design in mind.

It's not the differential that caught my eye on this ball, it was the low Rg. I questioned the numbers because the Differential seemed to be on the high side and was the same across all three ball weights.

Am I off base here?

I see plenty of league bowlers (good speed low revs) using balls like Talon and they have success. They throw around 2nd arrow and have success. The ball doesn't make a big turn but it does recover if gets a little wide on a THS.
 
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Re: RG and Differential Numbers by Manufacturers
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2014, 02:49:15 PM »
+1

Read what the ball is designed for.  It a combination of cover and core.  The cover playing the bigger role.  Watch videos to see how it roles.

It's all marketing.  They tell you the RG and Diff, so you will talk about them. 

Just because a ball has the largest diff allowed by USBC does not mean it will hook more than another ball.

More bowling balls are sold on perception than reality.
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Re: RG and Differential Numbers by Manufacturers
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2014, 03:06:45 PM »
I wouldn't say you're off base, I'd just say you're giving too much weight or too much importance to the pre drilled rg and diff numbers.  Honestly I really don't pay much attention to the numbers anymore.  I watch videos, watch other people throwing stuff, give a half hearted glance at the rg, and then just get the ball and throw it.  I base my decisions more on design.  I have a Sigma Tour, I wanted something weaker with more length and a stronger backend, so I went Tribal, didn't look at the numbers.  Now I want something with more hook than the Tour and a hard arc, ordered a Covert Revolt, no idea what those numbers are, I just know how it rolls.  Then you just drill the ball and go throw it, and make your small adjustments off what it's giving you. 

I am not looking for a ball to cover a ton of boards. In fact this ball is not for me. I am looking for a ball that fits my daughter's profile. She has average speed (16 mph) and below average revs. I have seen a difference already with a used 14 lb. C3 Wrath that she has now, but that ball is dying, needs some oil extraction, complete resurface, or something (I posted this in another thread).

The ball layout was drilled for it to go early. When the Wrath had a good surface on it, it would turn for her. So I am thinking maybe go with a ball that has that design in mind.

It's not the differential that caught my eye on this ball, it was the low Rg. I questioned the numbers because the Differential seemed to be on the high side and was the same across all three ball weights.

Am I off base here?

I see plenty of league bowlers (good speed low revs) using balls like Talon and they have success. They throw around 2nd arrow and have success. The ball doesn't make a big turn but it does recover if gets a little wide on a THS.
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Re: RG and Differential Numbers by Manufacturers
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2014, 10:44:34 AM »
Gizmo,

Looking at your decision process and looking at the bowling balls you selected, the RG and Differential seem to coincide with descriptions you were looking for in each ball. Yes, the coverstock, is just as important too. I am just stating, I don't think its a bad thing to base some of the decision making on the RG and Diff values.

Just recall. My initial question. Are these numbers and exact science? And the first reply I got back is "YES".

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Read what the ball is designed for.  It a combination of cover and core.  The cover playing the bigger role.  Watch videos to see how it roles.

Disagree! Yes its a combination, but they both play a role equally on how the ball roles. Both are important, not one being more important than the other. When you state that the coverstock is the bigger role, makes it seem that any core will work. You know that is incorrect.
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