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mrtappedalot

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Dropping weight - 15 to 14 lbs?
« on: December 31, 2007, 09:23:53 AM »
Sorry this is a tad long, bear with me.

I suffered a fall while running a road race this summer that led to me displacing a few bones in my wrist, which caused me to be "casted" for a couple weeks, and out of commission bowling wise for almost two months.  My wrist was weak as a noodle for a while, but now is back to pre-fall strength (I pass the cupped wrist test again, etc.).  However, my bowling is just not there.  My speed is down a mph or two, my rev rate is down by about 25%, and my accuracy has been sub-par at best.  This trend has been running for longer than I've liked, and I continue to get a dull ache in my wrist the day after bowling more than a three game set.

A few years ago, I had toyed around with dropping to 14 lbs.  So much so, that I picked up a TI Messenger blem from Beans (7" pin and all) and had it punched up.  At that point, my speed and rev rate increased dramatically, but I was leaving all sorts of 10 pins and 8 pins (and had been bowling better with my 15 lbs stuff) so I left well enough alone, and sold the ball to a teammate who was moving from 13 to 14 (ironically enough).  (Of course, as fate would have it, I used it once during league this year and shot 279).

Alas, now I'm considering the switch again.  I assume this would help keep my mangled wrist healthy, and allow for an increase in my currently below average speed and revs.  I also have a torn labrum (those of you who pitch, don't overthrow on the side) which doesn't bother me currently (at the tender age of 21) while bowling, but is something I always consider.

The main worry is not price, availability, or ego, but clearly pin carry.  Now, looking at the weight, a dropoff from 16 to 14 (using 16 for comparison sake) is only about a 12-13% drop in mass.  Accounting for the increase in speed, this will  likely offset some of the mass loss when considering momentum transferred to the head pin (SIDE NOTE:  People, E does not equal MC^2 when it comes to bowling balls.  I've seen a few persons claim speed has a more direct affect because of it's quadratic effect, but MC^2 is considering the theory of relativity-- not applicable to objects the size of bowling balls which travel at oh-- 1/1x10^7 the speed of light.)  Obviously deflection and pin action are more complicated results of transfer of energy.  It is here I'm not sure if a 14 lb ball would be a drawback-- and here's where I need some empirical evidence.

My questions are as follows:

Has anyone made this switch (15 to 14, not 16 to 15-- I already made that drop in high school ) that can attest to the change in carry characteristics, as well as how much the increased speed and angle offset this decrease in drive?

Are there any "serious" bowlers who use 14 lbs. that are reading this (or do people know of someone who does)? (By serious, I don't mean Joe Househack who averages 220 by spraying the lane-- I typically keep myself constrained to sport leagues, PBA shots, tournaments on tougher patterns, etc.)  I know a few years ago, the breakdown was like 65% 15 lbs., 30% 16 lbs., and 5% 14 lbs. on the pro tour.  Has that changed?

Now, of course, I'm not looking at joining the pro tour or anything (which would require both talent and money-- both of which are sorely lacking), but during grad school (after my college eligibility has been exhausted), I'll probably do a scratch tournament here or there on the weekend.  I don't stress about my league scores as much, but am not sure how this change could affect my potential success (and sadly, enjoyment) in a tournament setup.  Hence I come to you, BR.  Enlighten me.

EDIT:  Because I can't add to 100.

Edited on 12/31/2007 6:42 PM

 

mrtappedalot

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Re: Dropping weight - 15 to 14 lbs?
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2007, 05:42:12 PM »
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Not to hijack or anything, but according to those numbers, 10% of the tour used stuff lighter than 14lbs? o.o
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65% 15 lbs.
30% 16 lbs.
5% 14 lbs. (or lighter I suppose, the stats were only for those 3 weights).

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Re: Dropping weight - 15 to 14 lbs?
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2007, 08:27:09 PM »
If you are having problems with the wrist, using a 15# will only aggravate it.  Hard to put actual figures on the difference between 14& 15. Usually when a bowler drops weight it is because of a problem and the lighter weight seems to help their game because of the things you mentioned.

There is a lot of very good bowlers on my leagues using 14# equipment.  What I notice is that the lite hits seem to carry better.  Seems like on the flush pocket hits the ball deflects too much and leaves corners.
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Re: Dropping weight - 15 to 14 lbs?
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2007, 08:34:56 PM »
I can relate to this. Just last year, I hurt my wrist terribly, and had a pretty bad case of what the doctors called "tendonitis". I really don't think it is because my wrist still hurts to this day, just a little. I threw 15lbs when the doctor examined my wrist, and then dropped to a 14lb ball. In my opinion, there's nothing bad I can say about 14lb equipment. I'm doing very well with it, and really can't tell the difference between 14 and 15. My wrist pain is pretty much gone (I do still wear a small wrist strap, just in case), but the difference is great... Trying/Buying at least one 14lb ball can't hurt to try. One pound is the heck of a difference at this rate with your wrist, I bet. Hope this helps!
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Re: Dropping weight - 15 to 14 lbs?
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2007, 10:12:54 PM »
mrt, due to finger problems I made the switch to 14lbs about a year ago. I couldn't afford to really buy any balls and I used a couple my Dad had. I didn't really match up with the balls and struggled at the end of last season finishing with a 191 average. I bought a few new balls over the summer and practiced a lot. Since making the switch, my fingers no longer ache, I get more revs on the ball, hit my mark better and I'm making a higher % of spares. I no longer use the Cobra or Mongoose wrist support just a Master Wrister and I have increased my average to 210 and 215 in my two leagues. The increase in revs and having more control seems like it offset any loss of carry. But SrK is right, if the ball hits really good sometimes you just can't seem to carry the corners unless you change the entry angle.

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Re: Dropping weight - 15 to 14 lbs?
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2008, 10:28:19 AM »
So what you guys are saying is that typically, increased speed, revs, and entry angle help offset carry loss from the weight switch?

Are there any benefits to improved timing or delivery because of the ball being lighter, and therefore having less of a tendency to pull you off plane?

Thanks for the insight so far.

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Re: Dropping weight - 15 to 14 lbs?
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2008, 10:38:48 AM »
i used 14 for 2 seasons

i had a elbow injury that has since required surgery

m,y avg was the same with 14 as 15

i left way more 10 pins with the 14 and probably more 7 pins

but way less 8 and 9

if was easier to throw which probably result4ed in me hitting the hole more

if you hit the whole more and carry less, you are probably in the same spot-so why not throw what is easier

i use 15 now, but it is always a light 15(no more than 15 1 oz before drilling) and lot is half weight(if i can find it)

i do have 1 14 lber and had 300 with it last week

so give the 14 a try

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Re: Dropping weight - 15 to 14 lbs?
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2008, 10:56:24 AM »
I am in the process of dropping the 14 due to back injury. The only thing I see is I tend to over throw the ball a little. Stay focused and every thing works. Back feels better so I will continue with the 14 lb stuff.
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Re: Dropping weight - 15 to 14 lbs?
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2008, 02:06:37 AM »
well recently i had either tore a tendon , ligament or developed tennis elbow i cant say for sure what exactly happened. but like u i bolwed with 15 lbs equipment all in the past as was worried about carry as well with a 14 lbs ball. well my avg dropped from a 196 book avg down to a lousy 179 avg.(i just didn't have the arm to get the rotation on it like i used to) lowest its been in over 10 years so i figured i had nothing to lose. i purchased a 14 lbs 12 oz Roto-Grip battle. i have never thrown Roto-Grip before so it was a whole new experiment. new equipment and new weight. well i came out the gates like i never lost my game. first night i set a 217 avg 226,223,202 and 2nd week i shot a 195 avg due to i left alot of solid 7 pins solid 10 pins 9 pins and 8 pins making my avg a 206. it was just one of those nights where u do everything right but pins just don't fall. perhaps it was because of the lighter weight but the week before they went down just fine all night so its hard to say on that. however i was bowling down and in most of the night because thats how i shot the 217 avg but after a bad game (169) (1st game)of leaving corner pins i went back to swinging the ball and when i did that i bowled a 223 and pins went down no corner pins so i think it was more angle then the weight of the ball last game 195 but lanes were breaking down and ball was ripping across lanes. but i do know this boosted my confidence a whole lot and confidence goes a long way. i hope this helps. i think i made the right decision to switch. if u switch i hope u have the same results. would like to hear if it does.
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Re: Dropping weight - 15 to 14 lbs?
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2008, 02:51:48 AM »
First let me say that I'm a house hack. I do avereage well over 200 on just about any house shot, but I bowl few tournaments and really don't see the tougher patterns. I also never have thrown 15#. I have a bunch of 16# and 14# balls. I am an ebay guy and I get great deals on these weights while 15# is signifigantly more costly. I'll use 14# for a while and if I start to slump I'll change to 16# just for the sake of change. I rolled 16# early this year and have been rolling 14# for the last month or so.
There is no loss of carry in 14#. It all is about entry angle and whether or not the ball is hooking or rolling when it hits the pins. I find in both weights that I carry best light pocket. If I hit flush I leave a lot of 9 and 10 pins. That goes for both weights. In both weights I'll leave a ten if i'm too deep in the oil or covering too many boards too late. I'll carry when the ball hits that nice roll phase just at or before the pins.
I have shot honor scores with both weights. If going to 14# will allow greater comfort, by all means do it. If you play the lanes properly, you will carry as well or even better than you did with 15# stuff. With the strong coverstocks and cores of today, 14# can carry as well or better that 15 or 16lbs. Its all about playing the lanes the right way. Ball weight barely matters.

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Re: Dropping weight - 15 to 14 lbs?
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2008, 03:23:29 AM »
HI GUYS,,WELL AFTER PONDERING THE CHANGE AFTER MORE AND MORE BACK TROUBLES I DECIDED ENOUGH WAS ENOUGH AND AM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TRANSITION AS WE SPEAK...FIRSTLY I FIND I GET MORE REVS,,BALL SPEED WITH LESS BACK STRAIN,DOWNFALL BEING YOU COULD START LOBBING THE BALL DOWN A BIT.I AM ROLLING LANE 1 GEAR AND HAVE GOT ON BOARD A SUPERNOVA AND AN XP SUPERNOVA,BOTH 14.2...HIT IS AWESOME AND I HAVE LOST NOTHING IN CARRY SO FAR...GOOD LUCK WITH IT,ITS WORTH IT ESPECIALLY FOR YOUR HEALTH
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