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chadw1974

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ringing 10s - ? for you better bowlers
« on: April 16, 2008, 01:49:33 PM »
I just completed my 1st year of league bowling & I don't think I did too awful bad. I finished with a 177 avg, so I don't consider myself completely helpless with a bowling ball. Anyway for the past 3 weeks I have been dialed in on the pocket but have been plagued with ringing 10 pins.

I'm wondering is there an adjustment I can make that will usually kick this pin out?

I've tried moving a half step forward & backward but neither seem to work for me with any consistency. What really strikes me odd about leaving 10s is I don't play a whole lot of entry angle. What I found early on was the wider I get the ball out, the more likely I was going to leave a 10. So usually I'll play a shot that goes over 10-12 @ the arrows & goes out to 5-7 before coming back.
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Re: ringing 10s - ? for you better bowlers
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2008, 09:55:14 PM »
Here is what I've been told...going to talk you...and myself for that matter through it a little bit.

When the ball enters the pocket and drives into the 3 pin too much, or too much straight back, the 3 pin catches the back left side of the 6 pin. This causes the 6 to almost travel straight right...missing the ten. The reason it looks like it wraps around the ten is because the bottom of the pin hits the side wall, causes the top of the pin to come upwards, and when the top of the pin hits the side wall it's the first part to bounce off, and behind the ten.

I've always been told to move 1/2 to 1 board right with everything, feet and target. This way, the ball will be coming into the pocket technically "higher," and therefore will catch more of the side of the 3 pin, pushing into the six at angle that is straight at the ten.

Don't know if any of that made sense to you...or to me for that matter, but that's what I've always been told, and that's what's always worked for me.

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Re: ringing 10s - ? for you better bowlers
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2008, 10:00:44 PM »
theres a bunch of adjustments u can do.

You could move back half a step, move right, or put more pressure on the middle finger.
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chadw1974

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Re: ringing 10s - ? for you better bowlers
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2008, 10:09:36 PM »
Your explanation of what's going on makes sense. What doesn't make sense to me is why this exact same shot in appearance will absolutely detroy the pins on 1 shot & then turn around & leave a 10 on the next.

So basically your solution is to try & hit higher in the pocket (catching more of the head pin) to try & slide the 3 & 6 straight into the 10.
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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2008, 11:07:11 PM »
really the difference between a 10 in the pit strike and a ringing 10 (or 7) pin is a fraction of an inch.  thats why theyll look like identical shots.  the difference is so fine that its tough to tell what caused that fraction of an inch miss.  i adjust if i felt it was a perfect shot no more than a half board left (being left handed). if i felt a minor error, be it release or speed, i just make a better shot.
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Re: ringing 10s - ? for you better bowlers
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2008, 11:48:16 PM »
the ringing 10 for the righthander can occur for several reasons and there are several types of ringing 10's:

ringing 10 type 1.....this is where the 6 pin pops up and flies around the top of the 10 pin. this is a very good shot but didn't carry due to the entry angle or slightly too much ball speed.

ringing  10 type 2......this is where the 6 pin flies around the bottom of the 10 pin. this is a great shot. perhaps the pins were slightly off spot. keep putting the ball there and you'll do great.
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2008, 04:07:20 AM »
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the ringing 10 for the righthander can occur for several reasons and there are several types of ringing 10's:

ringing 10 type 1.....this is where the 6 pin pops up and flies around the top of the 10 pin. this is a very good shot but didn't carry due to the entry angle or slightly too much ball speed.

ringing  10 type 2......this is where the 6 pin flies around the bottom of the 10 pin. this is a great shot. perhaps the pins were slightly off spot. keep putting the ball there and you'll do great.


There is a few more and more common 10 pins. The solid ten pin where the six looked to just ring it. What happens here is the ball enters with to much energy to transfer to the pins, to much force and this is what makes the pin shatter with to much force. To fix this you will need to eather get the ball out a little more. This is not to be a big adjust ment but just about a board or so, this will bleed of some energy and should give some better carry.

The weak ten, when the six pin just falls and lays in the gutter. This is because your ball bleed off to much energy and hit weak and without enough energy to transfer to the pins. You will need to move more into the oil as to help create enough skid to help the ball keep energy for the pins.

All of these with entry angle are what give and cause carry.
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Re: ringing 10s - ? for you better bowlers
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2008, 09:39:13 AM »
I take a 3inch step back yes inches!! or a half a board left usually changes the angle just enough to rip the ten out
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Re: ringing 10s - ? for you better bowlers
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2008, 09:58:57 AM »
I say keep throwing the ball...

If that is the only pin you are leaving you are doing good and sooner or later it should fall.  Moving might mess up your shot and you start seeing other pins...  1 pin is better than 2 pins
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Re: ringing 10s - ? for you better bowlers
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2008, 12:20:52 PM »
Are you sure ever shot is a ringing 10, or are there
a few flat 10's as well?
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Re: ringing 10s - ? for you better bowlers
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2008, 08:18:11 PM »
I'm not 100% sure what a flat 10 is but as best as I can remember, recently  they've all been the type 2 ringing 10 as described by greg. With the 6 bouncing off the side wall & then wrapping in behind the 10 without making contact.
I've had the type 1 ringing 10 & the weak 10s but those come very few & far between for me. Usually the 6 flys low for me & the type 1 is rarely an issue. As far as a weak 10, its been a long while since I've had a 6 go in the gutter & just die there.
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chadw1974

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Re: ringing 10s - ? for you better bowlers
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2008, 08:38:16 PM »
Man, I've already got that move down to a science. Along with a few choice words to go with it. LOL
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Re: ringing 10s - ? for you better bowlers
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2008, 09:21:25 PM »
Don't forget, what looks exactly the same from one shot to the next are likely not.  Remember, the pins are 60 feet away, and we simply don't have the eyesight to tell how different the balls are.  After you see the ball go past your mark, focus on the 3 and the 6 pins.  Most of us like to take in the whole shot, but focusing on what the 3 and 6 do when the ball hits tells you how you need to adjust.
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Re: ringing 10s - ? for you better bowlers
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2008, 06:10:23 AM »
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Don't forget, what looks exactly the same from one shot to the next are likely not.  Remember, the pins are 60 feet away, and we simply don't have the eyesight to tell how different the balls are.  After you see the ball go past your mark, focus on the 3 and the 6 pins.  Most of us like to take in the whole shot, but focusing on what the 3 and 6 do when the ball hits tells you how you need to adjust.


I wish this was true, for everyone. How many guys out there look somewhere els. I myself have to watch how the ball drives through the deck, because I will stone a 9 pin more often then a 10. Over the last two weeks for rolloffs and championships. I have left 5-7 ten pins, and well into the double digits with the 9 pin. I know of at least 4 in one game the one thursday. So guys what do you watch.
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Re: ringing 10s - ? for you better bowlers
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2008, 07:26:49 AM »
If your leaving that many 9 pins, you need to hit lighter in the pocket.  1-2 boards left with your feet should solve the issue.
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