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eg bagger

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Oil Extraction, Safe Temps
« on: March 05, 2016, 09:38:41 PM »
This may sound like it's out there but let me explain, what temperature is considered "safe" for maximum oil extraction? There are many different types of professional oil extractors on the market, generally what temperature range do they work at?

The reason I ask is I've done a hot water soak and also the ball in dry sweep methods before with solid results and I want to take that to the next level. I have a Sous Vide immersion cooker that can be set to an exact temperature in whole degrees, (it works amazing for reheating a perfectly rare piece of left over prime rib by the way.) It wasn't too expensive and the food never actually contacts the water so there isn't a risk of contamination or anything, plus if it works this will become my oil extractor and I'll buy the top shelf one for cooking (the first one was mostly a trial purchase.)

I know it sounds off the wall but my cheapness knows no bounds! Thanks in advance for any input.

 

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Re: Oil Extraction, Safe Temps
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2016, 05:13:02 PM »
I shower my balls in hot water. just hot water.
Though if they're freezing cold, I'll try and shower them in the temp I use for my showers, then turn off the cold water after I've warmed the ball up for a bit first.

My dad has extracted oil that way with all his balls, and none of them have cracked because of that.
His oldest ball is like 5 years old now or more.

Reason why showering them haven't cracked them is probably because it's not hot enough to crack them.
Tore Torgersen told me that the Jackal is a ball he has never seen crack. Not because of re-drilling, any amount of bowling with it, and oil extraction.

Hope my new balls will handle the heat too. We don't have them under hot water for more than maybe 1-2 mins.
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Re: Oil Extraction, Safe Temps
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2016, 05:13:32 PM »
Interesting idea.  From what I can see, most units circulate the water through an insulated heating element to control the heat.  You don't see an issue with the oil in the water possible ruining the unit?
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eg bagger

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Re: Oil Extraction, Safe Temps
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2016, 09:23:11 PM »
Interesting idea.  From what I can see, most units circulate the water through an insulated heating element to control the heat.  You don't see an issue with the oil in the water possible ruining the unit?

Haha yeah I thought about that last night as I had it running in soapy water to clean it up. Thanks to the good input from this thread I will probably make a DIY extractor out of a dehydrator. I ran an old Breeze at 130 for an hour with no issue, it pulled out a fair amount of oil out of the ball but I wonder how long the immersion cooker will last in dual purpose use.

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Re: Oil Extraction, Safe Temps
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2016, 12:05:27 PM »
Here is an example of how well my DIY NuBall clone works at 130*.  This is an old Robo Rule I did this weekend for a friend.  Hit it with 360 grit to open the pores (1st pic), and 2nd pic is about 10 minutes later.



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Re: Oil Extraction, Safe Temps
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2016, 12:20:11 PM »
One thing you must never do is put the ball in the microwave. If you do such a stupid thing, you deserve to have your ball crack :P
It'll most likely look like a dirt area which is extreme dry :P
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DV8 Grudge Hybrid (14)
Hammer Scandal (14)
DV8 Freakshow (14)

Sometimes.
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Motiv Jackal LE (14)

Retired:
Roto Grip Sinister (13)
Motiv Jackal (14)

Given to a no-thumber in the club:
Brunswick T-zone (13)

Might stick with Motiv from now on.

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Re: Oil Extraction, Safe Temps
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2016, 01:07:00 PM »
depends on the manufacturer.  115 - 140 degrees.
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Re: Oil Extraction, Safe Temps
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2016, 12:54:33 PM »
I take a couple pots of hot water brewed from my coffee maker and submerge the ball for about 10-15 minuets. I've done it many times and never had any problems.
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Re: Oil Extraction, Safe Temps
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2016, 03:12:03 PM »
Contact the Manufacturer of the ball... They should tell you, "Yes, at xxx" as everyone has a different rule, or just "no we don't recommend it"

Brunswick Loaded Revolver - 120 MAX according to Brunswick
Hammer Viral - Hammer Did not recommend, said only the vibrating water thing  I have tried to put this ball in the oven at 120 and never, ever got any oil out of it, I just sand/polish it now.

120F feels Warm for most people and is not too hot to touch.  If My cooker reads 120F my laser non contact thermometer reads 120F so I am sure it is right, and I have never needed gloves to remove the ball... When heating other things Usually 135-140F is when things become a little to hot to handle, it will depend on you and what you are used to.  And it will depend on what is being heated, the thermal transfer of a resin, plastic, or urethane to your hand is not as severe as the heat transfer of a piece of metal, so not everything feels the same at the same temperature. 

If you over cook them with too much heat, you can do a few things, 1) you can age the plasticizers in the cover, 2) you can break the bond between the inside and outside materials of the ball.  3) I have read you can melt the inside of the ball.  4) You can crack it.   

Normally, in my experience cracking occurs if you heat it up too fast and unevenly.   Not saying that is the rule, just what I understand.

Hope this helps