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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: GG3 on November 17, 2004, 06:00:17 AM

Title: ryan shafer
Post by: GG3 on November 17, 2004, 06:00:17 AM
i have meet and talked to a number of the pros, and most of them are very approachable.

the good ones I have come across are parker bohn III, brad angelo, marshall holman, carmen salvino (the nicest guy on earth), chris barnes, brian kretzer and brian himmler,  and some others were very very nice.

a couple of pros that came off as jerks to me could be walter ray (from what i've heard) ryan shafer (had an incident with him at last years us open) and george branham III (i met him when i was 12, bowling a junior pro am and he wouldnt sign ANY of the kids autographs)


Title: Re: ryan shafer
Post by: NY Mike on November 17, 2004, 02:16:41 PM
Not to defend Walter Ray, I met him at the tour spot in NY
last year and find that he is uncomfortable being the center
of attention and around crowds.  Seem more of a loner, even
during practice at LI, NY he was several pairs off by himself
while the others practiced in groups.

Mike DeVaney one of the good guys, so many to list.  Voss
a crowd pleaser, Petraglia great with the younger set.
Kent, a pleasure to bowl with and talk to.  Quite accomodating.
Did not find too many that could not be approached.  Most are
just bowling alley rats who remember their roots.
Title: Re: ryan shafer
Post by: dogman666 on November 17, 2004, 02:17:22 PM
Put Pete McCordic on the jerk list also.
Title: Re: ryan shafer
Post by: MarvinsSkeleton on November 17, 2004, 02:27:55 PM
Out of the one's I've met, they've all been great.  George Branham, III was really nice when I bowled a pro-am with him.  Guppy Troup was great.  Marshall Holman was very nice.  Danny Wiseman was totally cool.  I shot 279 to his 180 something and he was kidding me about being a bagger.  Even after he moved two pair down, he came back to talk with me.  Great guy.  Steve Hoskins.  Steve Wilson.  David Ozio. Amleto Monacelli.  All nice guys.

I bowled with a lot of great guys during the Quaker State Pro Am at Forum Bowl in Grand Prarie, Texas.  I hated to see that tourney go.  I got to see 2 live finals there (one in Forum and one at a high school gym.  That was different).  

So, I have yet to put anyone on my "jerk" list.  Except DJ Archer.  I grew up with him (bowling with him since I was 2) and he has always been a jerk... hahaha. j/k
Title: Re: ryan shafer
Post by: L o G on November 17, 2004, 02:27:55 PM
I talked to a number of pros a few years ago when the made there stop in Dallas and all of them were nice, I talked to Waler Ray and he seemed very nice and answered my one or two questions I asked and signed an autograph for me.  The only person I came close to haveing a probelm with was Robert Smith, but he is a good guy it was my fault.  I thought he was done bowling and he was'nt and I was going to ask him about the Easter Grip.  I said I have a question if you don't mind, he calmy siad can you wait till I'm done bowling.  I felt bad like I was intrupting him at work.  Then after he was done bowling I asked him and he was real cool about it.  One person I had fun talking to was Danny Wiseman.  Did'nt get to talk with him much but he is a cool guy.
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Title: Re: ryan shafer
Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on November 17, 2004, 02:48:21 PM
The only pro I've met so far was Parker Bohn III at his annual scholarship tourney (placed 7th out of like 100 some people) and he was REALLY nice, and a really cool guy. He signed a paper for me (which I have framed lol) and answered questions, and he helped set up and run the tourney as much as anyone else there. Great guy. (Darn lefty though )
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Title: Re: ryan shafer
Post by: MichiganBowling on November 17, 2004, 02:50:32 PM
I was talking with a former pro one day, and he taught me something that I hadn't thought about...

In baseball, basketball, tennis, or any other sport, the players are able to cool off after a match/game in the locker room, completely away from the fans.  When you're competing at that high of a level, some people have to put themselves into a "zone" to concentrate and be the best they can be.  Everybody is different, however.

This ex-pro that I spoke with told me how it would generally take him at least 30 minutes to come down and out of the mind set he was in while bowling.  The difference with bowling is, the pros can come right out of a match after losing by a pin or two, turn around, and somebody is in his/her face with something to sign or whatnot.

So it's usually not that they are jerks, but rather they need a "digestion" period after their big meal (match).  Leave it to me to use a food analogy!

Now some people, like Brian Voss for instance, can interact with a crowd while they are bowling, and might not need that wind down time after a match.  Everybody is different.  If you want to deem somebody a jerk or a nice guy, it might be more fair to wait an hour, then try to talk to them to see what they are like.  Remember, they are in the middle of paying their bills usually when you see them.  Their performance dictates whehter their electric bill gets paid this month.
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Title: Re: ryan shafer
Post by: Laybzz74 on November 17, 2004, 04:28:42 PM
I've met two and both were great ... just normal, everyday guys who bowl extremely we;;; met Eric Forkel in Albq, NM in '98 and Robert Smith at his home lanes in Simi Vally, CA.

Don't hate the playa, hate the game !!! LOL !!!

Robb in 1000 Oaks
Title: Re: ryan shafer
Post by: Laybzz74 on November 17, 2004, 04:28:54 PM
I've met two and both were great ... just normal, everyday guys who bowl extremely well; met Eric Forkel in Albq, NM in '98 and Robert Smith at his home lanes in Simi Vally, CA.

Don't hate the playa, hate the game !!! LOL !!!

Robb in 1000 Oaks
Title: Re: ryan shafer
Post by: Strike300 on November 17, 2004, 06:46:59 PM
I met Walter Ray he was very nice along with all the other pros.
Title: Re: ryan shafer
Post by: Rock77 on November 17, 2004, 06:54:29 PM
I met quite a few at the TOC last year. Met WRW, he seemed kind of timid, although this could go back to the previous reply about him not wanting to be the center of attention. Met Chris Barnes, Pat Healey Jr, Randy Pederson and Brian Himmler. Also got to bowl with Brad Angelo over this past summer. He and I exchange email addresses and he gave me his phone # if I ever need "Professional" Advice. Angelo is great as well as all the others. Himmler seems like the kind of guy I can go grab a beer with!! That would be fun!
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Title: Re: ryan shafer
Post by: Ernie McCracken on November 17, 2004, 06:55:32 PM
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the Traber's should be on the "jerk" list


Amen, brother!  I saw both Dale and Dave at a regional last year.  Neither one of them had time to talk to anyone.  Dave got his check and walked out the door.  What a prick.  He blew right by a maybe 12 year old holding a bowling pin and marker.
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Title: Re: ryan shafer
Post by: TwoFourEightNineNine on November 17, 2004, 07:35:14 PM
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the Traber's should be on the "jerk" list


Amen, brother!  I saw both Dale and Dave at a regional last year.  Neither one of them had time to talk to anyone.  Dave got his check and walked out the door.  What a prick.  He blew right by a maybe 12 year old holding a bowling pin and marker.
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Title: Re: ryan shafer
Post by: fabes on November 17, 2004, 07:49:20 PM
I have met a few of them. I have found them all to be very nice. I bowled  pro-ams with Billy Orlikowski, George Branham III and Eugene McCune. All were excellent. George was a little quiet, but nice none the less. Eugene had a wild sense of humor, a little sarcastic, funny guy. Billy O was bowling out of a town a few miles away and I had seen him a number of times and had the occasion to bowl against him in league. A real class act. In the pro-am, he had about 220 to my 248 and he slapped me five and said "nice game". He comes back the next game, with a different partner, on the pair next to us with a 300. I went to congratulate him and he apologizes for bowling so bad with me. I have also met WRW, Jason Couch, Mika and Brian Kretzer, all nice guys too.  

The most memorable pro I met was Earl Anthony. In the early 80's, in my hometown, a pro-shop had him stop by for a visit while he was in Michigan bowling at a nearby tournament. He was doing promo work for Ebonite. It would be hard to imagine a better ambassador for a sport then him. He was gracious, funny, helpful, and so modest. I left there totally impressed with him.

Pro bowlers are like any one of us, some nice, some jerks. I feel I have been fortunate to meet some of the nice ones.

fabes
Title: Re: ryan shafer
Post by: Magic Carpet on November 17, 2004, 09:04:32 PM
Isn’t this great that you guys can have this discussion?
How many of you have had a chance to really interact with the stars of Golf, Baseball, Football, you name it. Sometimes we just don’t know how lucky we have it.
There are a lot of great guys out there but you need to add Michael Haugen Jr to your list.
Bowl great!
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Title: Re: ryan shafer
Post by: Brickguy221 on November 17, 2004, 10:38:39 PM
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How many of you have had a chance to really interact with the stars of Golf, you name it. Sometimes we just don’t know how lucky we have it.
 

I haven't had the opportunity to meet "Bones" yet.......
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Title: Re: ryan shafer
Post by: iommifan on November 18, 2004, 08:52:53 AM
I bowled a pro-am with Ryan Shafer. He was a great guy. Kind of a dry humor but extremely funny and would drop a hint if he saw something he could fix in your game. He probably would fit in on a mens league night more than some of his contemporaries because of his humor but we had a blast with him.
Walter Ray was quiet but very nice. He is not a very outspoken personality, that is just his way. Parker Bohn, Mika, Amletto, Wiseman & Couch all nice guys, very personable.
I found PDW to be a bit frosty like he was doing you a favor being there and signing autographs, but not so much as rude just a little aloof. Himmler was kind of the same but ok.
Title: Re: ryan shafer
Post by: Leftyhi-trak on November 18, 2004, 02:19:34 PM
Everyone has their days, some good and some bad. I would tend to cut them slack  in interaction. It has a lot of mental baggage when your a pro especially when money is not that good. I have seen many pro's such as Barnes,McCune, and Jess Stayrook have temper tantrums at the lanes but I have never had to step in their shoes so I feel it is not right to judge. Did I believe they handled themselves in a professional manor, no, but sh*t happens. Only one guy I was ready to literally POP in the nose, and that was Marshall Holman in the late 80's. He really chewed out a little kid. (7-9 yrs old)who was asking for a autograph between blocks. If I could have reached him with my fist I would have delightfully spent the night in jail for breaking up his face. I did heckle him because his actions were beyond distasteful. Most pro's are very social and are very forthcoming with information. For most people who have negative comments "dont judge a book by the cover".
Two guys who are opp ends of the spectrum but have always been great to me. Tommy DeLutz is a total professional. He is super nice, offers to help if you ask for anything and is very down to earth.
Brian "Chief" Himmler reminds me of just one of the guys. He is a ball buster who is fun to hang around and is super nice to everyone. He is a bit on the quiet side to the public. I believe its his blue-collar attitude that sticks out and is all aces in my book. Rock, he is fun to sit down with over a couple of beers and watch sportcenter. In Canadagiua him a bunch of the guys went to MaGregors, where I was consoling a bad day and they were all a ball of fun.

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Title: Re: ryan shafer
Post by: iommifan on November 18, 2004, 02:36:01 PM
Agree, DeLutz is a class act in every sense of the words. Have also had pr-am experiences with the now defunct PWBA and the ladies all have a professional attitude. They were classy and every bit a asset to their organization. CDB, Michelle Feldman, LeAnne Barrette, CDL, Kendra Gaines all were very friendly and endearing. To bad that had to end.
Title: Re: ryan shafer
Post by: BrunsHeat on November 19, 2004, 11:11:16 AM
I've met a few of the Pro's and just about all of them have been great.  My only regret is meeting Barnes, what an @$$.  Parker Bohn is a great guy, really cool on and off the lanes.  Just like everyone else said, WRW is a good guy but doesn't seem to like to be out in the limelight.  Angelo and Duke are also great guys.  I've had the opportunity to hang out with Tommy DeLutz and he's fantastic, a real character.  Just wait till Mike Fagan starts shredding the racks week in and week out.  Everyone will get to see how much of a great guy he is.  Ask about his Eddie Vetter and Mike Myers impersonations!
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